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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Aug 28, 2007 11:53:46 GMT -4
That team became a high end Championship team at the Christmas trading period when they added that dman who was probably about the best puck mover/pp quarterback in the league.......he made that powerplay work..........before that they were good, but he made them that much better........Scalzo?...I don't remember...could look it up but couldn't be bothered. Scalzo was definately the unsung hero of that team... or rather, he benefitted immensely from teams falling all over themselves trying to cover Crosby and the guys parked by the crease. He could skate like a forward all over the open ice, and had deadly offensive skill. Scalzo's play KILLED Halifax in the finals. When he started walking through open ice, picking corners and passing like Crosby, you could feel the moose (and the crowd) almost going "well hell, wft do we do about this now?" lol |
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Post by Gman on Aug 28, 2007 12:26:16 GMT -4
It will be hard to judge the 2006 draft...Tardif was a no brainer(like Bernier was in 2004...but we know what happened there) given your struggles to find goalies. Morneau was an ok pick, not good, not bad. Huchberger is not reporting, wasted pick. If Grenache or Faille turns into a solid Q player then you had a solid draft. Morneau turning into a 100 point guy would help your draft rating but make your GM look bad. It's not like the NHL where a good draft is 2-3 players making your team because Q careers average 3 years so you have to replace 1/3 of your roster pretty much each year. Grenache and Faille are already solid in this League....not great but solid and good 3rd liners.....what some said that Critchlow wiould become. Morneau is very good....and does not have to become a 100 points guy to help our draft rating as he was a 2nd round pick....a steal according to many. Trading him lands us Messier, a 19 YO who can score anywhere from 25-35 goals this season and a speedster to boot....plus a 1st round pick next season where the draft will be deep according to many. This is another case on your part of not wanting to give to the Titan its due. You are REALLY stretching on your comments here. First, Morneau did not land you Messier and a 1st. Morneau + 2007 2nd + 2008 5th landed you Messier and a 1st. This trade was ok but not as great as you made it look above. Next, these rookies that you call "solid" have done nothing in this league to be called that. Grenache is basically a rookie going into this year, as he only played 26 games last year and had 1 whopping goal. Faille got into 55 games but didn't exactly tear it up. Both of these players are probably 25 point players best case senario this year. If that's what you expect from your 3rd line, that's cool, but it won't win you any championships. It seems more like these players were forced onto your team by the need to fill holes more than because they are skilled. They were simply the best of the rookie crop that Bathurst drafted last year. Tardif and Pomerleau were really the only valuable rookies from last year, and one of them is gone. Again this year, you have 5 players left at camp from this year's draft, but how good are they really? Would they be capable of cracking most lineups in the Q? I'm not dissing the Titan for this, because Halifax does the same thing. Patenaude traded away so many picks that we were left with no choice but to make good with what we picked in the late rounds. Why do you think we ended up with vets like Brault, Pouliot, Lomanno, etc. It wasn't because they were so good- we were just picking the best players from a bad draft to take up roster spots. This year, Halifax had a good draft, picking potential impact guys with their top 3 picks and they should all stick because they are skilled- something we aren't used to. Corbeil-Theriault looks pretty awful so far, but he will get his shot to make the team next year. Gerrad Grant even impressed much in camp, but we don't have room. It's nice to have a lot of your draft picks on the team, but you will only really know if you had a good draft when they make significant contributions. It's way to early to judge. This goes for all teams of course. |
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Post by chsb on Aug 28, 2007 12:36:03 GMT -4
Gman, you are definitely selling Grenache and Faille short....
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Post by Gman on Aug 28, 2007 12:43:00 GMT -4
Based on what?
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Post by chsb on Aug 28, 2007 14:12:07 GMT -4
Playing 3rd line, both will score anywhere from 25 ponts(worst case scenario) to 40 points next season. You are actually presenting their best case scenario as really the worst one IMPO.... If we get Faille and Grenache of the last playoffs, they might even do better than that. Their upside from 17 to 18 is higher than that..... |
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Post by mikeb on Aug 28, 2007 14:27:40 GMT -4
Based on what we saw. You could ask the PEI guys what they thought of our 3rd line. They were impressed in the playoffs. Now I know that it was only 12 playoff games but that coupled with a decent rookie campaign, then yeah they will be good this year. I'm including regular rate of improvement in my estimation. Faille was among the most improved over the course of the year and Grenache had a decent camp but not good enough to make the team. The guy we saw after Christmas and his recall was leaps and bounds ahead of what he did in camp. Both guys showed they can improve which any coach will tell you is a very good sign for what to expect. They will be solid 3rd line players as 18YO this year. You can believe me or not believe me. I'm not going to argue the point seeing as it is objective. But I have seen both players more than you. btw Grenache will be one guy that you will hate. He was borderline crazy. I can see this guy missing games for suspensions if he doesn't control his emotions better. |
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Post by Gman on Aug 28, 2007 15:00:55 GMT -4
Based on what we saw. You could ask the PEI guys what they thought of our 3rd line. They were impressed in the playoffs. Now I know that it was only 12 playoff games but that coupled with a decent rookie campaign, then yeah they will be good this year. I'm including regular rate of improvement in my estimation. Faille was among the most improved over the course of the year and Grenache had a decent camp but not good enough to make the team. The guy we saw after Christmas and his recall was leaps and bounds ahead of what he did in camp. Both guys showed they can improve which any coach will tell you is a very good sign for what to expect. They will be solid 3rd line players as 18YO this year. You can believe me or not believe me. I'm not going to argue the point seeing as it is objective. But I have seen both players more than you. btw Grenache will be one guy that you will hate. He was borderline crazy. I can see this guy missing games for suspensions if he doesn't control his emotions better. Fair enough. I agree- I didn't see them that much, and when I did watch a Titan games, I wasn't on the lookout for your 3rd-4th lines. Based on normal improvement, and the line they will be playing on being a defensive one, I think 25 points each was a conservative yet reasonable number. I didn't sell them short, IMO regarding their numbers. If they bring a feisty checking line, then they obviously contribute in other ways, but bear in mind, those players are usually quite easy to find, so I still can't praise the draft based on those guys. There are more guys willing to work hard to be on a major junior team than there are guys with pure skill. Didn't Grenache cheap shot a Moose player last year? I didn't see it but I remember the aftermath being that he would fight anyone to back it up. Sounds like a Morency type. |
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Post by mikeb on Aug 28, 2007 15:08:11 GMT -4
Based on what we saw. You could ask the PEI guys what they thought of our 3rd line. They were impressed in the playoffs. Now I know that it was only 12 playoff games but that coupled with a decent rookie campaign, then yeah they will be good this year. I'm including regular rate of improvement in my estimation. Faille was among the most improved over the course of the year and Grenache had a decent camp but not good enough to make the team. The guy we saw after Christmas and his recall was leaps and bounds ahead of what he did in camp. Both guys showed they can improve which any coach will tell you is a very good sign for what to expect. They will be solid 3rd line players as 18YO this year. You can believe me or not believe me. I'm not going to argue the point seeing as it is objective. But I have seen both players more than you. btw Grenache will be one guy that you will hate. He was borderline crazy. I can see this guy missing games for suspensions if he doesn't control his emotions better. Fair enough. I agree- I didn't see them that much, and when I did watch a Titan games, I wasn't on the lookout for your 3rd-4th lines. Based on normal improvement, and the line they will be playing on being a defensive one, I think 25 points each was a conservative yet reasonable number. I didn't sell them short, IMO regarding their numbers. If they bring a feisty checking line, then they obviously contribute in other ways, but bear in mind, those players are usually quite easy to find, so I still can't praise the draft based on those guys. There are more guys willing to work hard to be on a major junior team than there are guys with pure skill. Didn't Grenache cheap shot a Moose player last year? I didn't see it but I remember the aftermath being that he would fight anyone to back it up. Sounds like a Morency type. He took on Dolph Lundgren this year already.  A solid 3rd liner is still a solid player.....  |
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Post by chsb on Aug 28, 2007 15:14:38 GMT -4
Based on what we saw. You could ask the PEI guys what they thought of our 3rd line. They were impressed in the playoffs. Now I know that it was only 12 playoff games but that coupled with a decent rookie campaign, then yeah they will be good this year. I'm including regular rate of improvement in my estimation. Faille was among the most improved over the course of the year and Grenache had a decent camp but not good enough to make the team. The guy we saw after Christmas and his recall was leaps and bounds ahead of what he did in camp. Both guys showed they can improve which any coach will tell you is a very good sign for what to expect. They will be solid 3rd line players as 18YO this year. You can believe me or not believe me. I'm not going to argue the point seeing as it is objective. But I have seen both players more than you. btw Grenache will be one guy that you will hate. He was borderline crazy. I can see this guy missing games for suspensions if he doesn't control his emotions better. Fair enough. I agree- I didn't see them that much, and when I did watch a Titan games, I wasn't on the lookout for your 3rd-4th lines. Based on normal improvement, and the line they will be playing on being a defensive one, I think 25 points each was a conservative yet reasonable number. I didn't sell them short, IMO regarding their numbers. If they bring a feisty checking line, then they obviously contribute in other ways, but bear in mind, those players are usually quite easy to find, so I still can't praise the draft based on those guys. There are more guys willing to work hard to be on a major junior team than there are guys with pure skill. Didn't Grenache cheap shot a Moose player last year? I didn't see it but I remember the aftermath being that he would fight anyone to back it up. Sounds like a Morency type. He even took on Denis Reul in Lewiston last weekend and ended up with a broken nose bruins.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=323238&page=NewsPage&service=page |
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Post by mikeb on Aug 28, 2007 19:23:43 GMT -4
Fair enough. I agree- I didn't see them that much, and when I did watch a Titan games, I wasn't on the lookout for your 3rd-4th lines. Based on normal improvement, and the line they will be playing on being a defensive one, I think 25 points each was a conservative yet reasonable number. I didn't sell them short, IMO regarding their numbers. If they bring a feisty checking line, then they obviously contribute in other ways, but bear in mind, those players are usually quite easy to find, so I still can't praise the draft based on those guys. There are more guys willing to work hard to be on a major junior team than there are guys with pure skill. Didn't Grenache cheap shot a Moose player last year? I didn't see it but I remember the aftermath being that he would fight anyone to back it up. Sounds like a Morency type. He even took on Denis Reul in Lewiston last weekend and ended up with a broken nose bruins.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=323238&page=NewsPage&service=pageI guess you never saw Rocky 73 where he fought the Russian boxer played by Dolph. I was referring to Reul when I said that. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Aug 28, 2007 22:12:01 GMT -4
Based on what we saw. You could ask the PEI guys what they thought of our 3rd line. They were impressed in the playoffs. Now I know that it was only 12 playoff games but that coupled with a decent rookie campaign, then yeah they will be good this year. I'm including regular rate of improvement in my estimation. Faille was among the most improved over the course of the year and Grenache had a decent camp but not good enough to make the team. The guy we saw after Christmas and his recall was leaps and bounds ahead of what he did in camp. Both guys showed they can improve which any coach will tell you is a very good sign for what to expect. They will be solid 3rd line players as 18YO this year. You can believe me or not believe me. I'm not going to argue the point seeing as it is objective. But I have seen both players more than you. btw Grenache will be one guy that you will hate. He was borderline crazy. I can see this guy missing games for suspensions if he doesn't control his emotions better. Didn't Grenache cheap shot a Moose player last year? I didn't see it but I remember the aftermath being that he would fight anyone to back it up. Sounds like a Morency type. I'm pretty sure Grenache was the guy who hit Bodnarchuk into the boards well after the whistle, then avoided challenges all night until Pender just instigated one with him... Between Grenache and Main, this division may not be safe for star players.... |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 28, 2007 22:23:43 GMT -4
Fair enough. I agree- I didn't see them that much, and when I did watch a Titan games, I wasn't on the lookout for your 3rd-4th lines. Based on normal improvement, and the line they will be playing on being a defensive one, I think 25 points each was a conservative yet reasonable number. I didn't sell them short, IMO regarding their numbers. If they bring a feisty checking line, then they obviously contribute in other ways, but bear in mind, those players are usually quite easy to find, so I still can't praise the draft based on those guys. There are more guys willing to work hard to be on a major junior team than there are guys with pure skill. Didn't Grenache cheap shot a Moose player last year? I didn't see it but I remember the aftermath being that he would fight anyone to back it up. Sounds like a Morency type. He even took on Denis Reul in Lewiston last weekend and ended up with a broken nose bruins.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=323238&page=NewsPage&service=pageHe was challenged by 5'8" Eastman tonight and went running to the linesman. |
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Post by Porkchop on Aug 28, 2007 22:46:08 GMT -4
He was challenged by 5'8" Eastman tonight and went running to the linesman. What was your excuse for Spencer everytime he said no?......coach said not to?..... Grenache is supposedly playing with a broken nose, so I hear.........not really a good time to drop the gloves. |
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Post by catnut on Aug 28, 2007 22:50:04 GMT -4
He was challenged by 5'8" Eastman tonight and went running to the linesman. He's playing with a broken nose, so I hear.........not really a good time to drop the gloves. Then he shouldn't be laying the dirty hits if he can't back it up. If Brown (wearing a full shield) did the same thing, I would feel the same way. |
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Post by chsb on Aug 28, 2007 23:00:34 GMT -4
He's playing with a broken nose, so I hear.........not really a good time to drop the gloves. Then he shouldn't be laying the dirty hits if he can't back it up. If Brown (wearing a full shield) did the same thing, I would feel the same way. According to your statistician, Grenache had ZERO hit tonight. |
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