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Post by Gman on Aug 22, 2007 8:38:17 GMT -4
Big diff in the teams though is one lost 10-2 and the other won 4-0 lol Didn't help any that Halifax had about a dozen or more roster players in the lineup, including Voracek ... would have served them right if one of the Foggies wannabe goons took a run at him. Lots of the pre-season games have been very lopsided this year, makes you wonder how much either team gets out of it. You would think teams would try to work out a gentleman's agreement before the game as to the approximate roster make-up ... to avoid a bunch of Q league vets running up the score on a glorified junior A squad. Except that most of the offense came from the rookies. Halifax dressed almost every player still on the bubble including all 3 rookie goalies. Think before you speak... you sound like fred. |
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Post by Porkchop on Aug 22, 2007 8:47:30 GMT -4
Didn't help any that Halifax had about a dozen or more roster players in the lineup, including Voracek ... would have served them right if one of the Foggies wannabe goons took a run at him. Lots of the pre-season games have been very lopsided this year, makes you wonder how much either team gets out of it. You would think teams would try to work out a gentleman's agreement before the game as to the approximate roster make-up ... to avoid a bunch of Q league vets running up the score on a glorified junior A squad. Except that most of the offense came from the rookies. Halifax dressed almost every player still on the bubble including all 3 rookie goalies. Think before you speak... you sound like fred. Smith, Voracek, White, MacAskill, Cheremetiev, and Louis-Seize all had points.......not all high end players, but also not rookies....11 points combined out of 25 that were given....almost half.......  |
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Post by jimmy on Aug 22, 2007 8:55:23 GMT -4
Didn't help any that Halifax had about a dozen or more roster players in the lineup, including Voracek ... would have served them right if one of the Foggies wannabe goons took a run at him. Lots of the pre-season games have been very lopsided this year, makes you wonder how much either team gets out of it. You would think teams would try to work out a gentleman's agreement before the game as to the approximate roster make-up ... to avoid a bunch of Q league vets running up the score on a glorified junior A squad. Except that most of the offense came from the rookies. Halifax dressed almost every player still on the bubble including all 3 rookie goalies. Think before you speak... you sound like fred. A touch defensive this morning are we? I guess I must have hit a nerve ... don't take it so personally, we did the same thing earlier this week when we showed up in Bathurst with a half-dozen vets (albeit bubble guys) to play a squad full of no-names. As I understand it, the teams schedule the pre-season games of their own accord, they can play who they want when they want. My point is, you would think a key consideration in setting up these games would be to match up with teams in similar stages of development ... if one team has 50 guys in camp, and is planning on playing guys #22-42 on the organizational depth chart, then you probably shouldn't arrange a game with a team planning on dressing half of their regulars ... play them later in the pre-season sched when they have their team close to picked as well. Look at the Lewiston Bathurst match-ups this week ... it appears Lewiston left virtually all vets home, brought just the rookies ... in game one, their rooks pummelled the Bathurst rooks ... in game two, lo and behold, Perreault and several other vets were out running up the score on Lewiston ... if I was Lewiston's GM, I would think twice before agreeing to a two game set with the Titan next year in pre-season. |
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Post by jimmy on Aug 22, 2007 8:59:46 GMT -4
Except that most of the offense came from the rookies. Halifax dressed almost every player still on the bubble including all 3 rookie goalies. Think before you speak... you sound like fred. Smith, Voracek, White, MacAskill, Cheremetiev, and Louis-Seize all had points.......not all high end players, but also not rookies....11 points combined out of 25 that were given....almost half....... 13 of Halifax's 18 skaters last night will probably be on the final roster (albeit some will be mostly spares in the stands) ... I bet very few of the Foggies guys will be. The Titan also dressed anywhere from 11-14 guys who will be on the final roster ... vs, what 2 or 3 for Lewiston ... My point is these types of games are of very little benefit to anyone. |
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Post by Gman on Aug 22, 2007 9:05:53 GMT -4
Except that most of the offense came from the rookies. Halifax dressed almost every player still on the bubble including all 3 rookie goalies. Think before you speak... you sound like fred. Smith, Voracek, White, MacAskill, Cheremetiev, and Louis-Seize all had points.......not all high end players, but also not rookies....11 points combined out of 25 that were given....almost half....... Let me rephrase- It's not like the vets did all the scoring. Of all the players in the lineup, only one FA tryout or rookie didn't register a point, and he will likely be cut anyway. The rookies contributed... what more can you ask of an exhibition game. Gilbert, Randell, Greer (all 16) had 2 points each, and Knotek, O'Donnell, RD Chisholm, and Grant all had points as well. It's not Halifax's fault that St Johns invited so many shitty players to camp that they had to send all of them down to get killed by the Mooseheads. It was their choice. |
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Post by Smiley on Aug 22, 2007 9:07:08 GMT -4
Smith, Voracek, White, MacAskill, Cheremetiev, and Louis-Seize all had points.......not all high end players, but also not rookies....11 points combined out of 25 that were given....almost half....... 13 of Halifax's 18 skaters last night will probably be on the final roster (albeit some will be mostly spares in the stands) ... I bet very few of the Foggies guys will be. The Titan also dressed anywhere from 11-14 guys who will be on the final roster ... vs, what 2 or 3 for Lewiston ... My point is these types of games are of very little benefit to anyone. Actually your original point was Halifax was lucky that the devils didn't goon it up. You were implying in your first post that it was Halifax's fault for the difference in the talent on the teams. You have been quickly shown that no, it wasn't Halifax's fault as they really had no other choice...although they did play 3 rookie goalies. Your original post was uneducated and way off base. The Devils should be ashamed of sending in a rookie team against a top veteran team. It doesn't help anyone. |
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Post by mikeb on Aug 22, 2007 9:07:30 GMT -4
Smith, Voracek, White, MacAskill, Cheremetiev, and Louis-Seize all had points.......not all high end players, but also not rookies....11 points combined out of 25 that were given....almost half....... 13 of Halifax's 18 skaters last night will probably be on the final roster (albeit some will be mostly spares in the stands) ... I bet very few of the Foggies guys will be. The Titan also dressed anywhere from 11-14 guys who will be on the final roster ... vs, what 2 or 3 for Lewiston ... My point is these types of games are of very little benefit to anyone. I'm not going to bother to look it up but I believe that I counted 4 Lewiston players that played last year vs 8 for the Titan. Apart from Perry and Svoboda (who got off the plane yesterday), the rest were 3/4th liners or #4 or worse dmen last year. |
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Post by Gman on Aug 22, 2007 9:10:02 GMT -4
Smith, Voracek, White, MacAskill, Cheremetiev, and Louis-Seize all had points.......not all high end players, but also not rookies....11 points combined out of 25 that were given....almost half....... 13 of Halifax's 18 skaters last night will probably be on the final roster (albeit some will be mostly spares in the stands) ... I bet very few of the Foggies guys will be. The Titan also dressed anywhere from 11-14 guys who will be on the final roster ... vs, what 2 or 3 for Lewiston ... My point is these types of games are of very little benefit to anyone. I agree completely, and if you check the FD or Moose boards, I was bitching about them. However, since it was what it was, I'm glad that Halifax's rookies got to shine and show their stuff, even if it was against a MAAA lineup. Halifax had a very streamlined camp. 6 of the players left to preserve NCAA eligibility before cuts could even be made. The only players that I would have liked to see out there instead of Voracek and Co. were Reiss, Pittarelli, and Boissonneault, but rumor is they've already been cut. |
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Post by Gman on Aug 22, 2007 9:14:05 GMT -4
13 of Halifax's 18 skaters last night will probably be on the final roster (albeit some will be mostly spares in the stands) ... I bet very few of the Foggies guys will be. The Titan also dressed anywhere from 11-14 guys who will be on the final roster ... vs, what 2 or 3 for Lewiston ... My point is these types of games are of very little benefit to anyone. Actually your original point was Halifax was lucky that the devils didn't goon it up. You were implying in your first post that it was Halifax's fault for the difference in the talent on the teams. You have been quickly shown that no, it wasn't Halifax's fault as they really had no other choice...although they did play 3 rookie goalies. Your original post was uneducated and way off base. The Devils should be ashamed of sending in a rookie team against a top veteran team. It doesn't help anyone. I completely forgot which part of jimmy's post struck a nerve with me until you reminded me. "would have served them right if one of the foggies wanna be goons took a run at him" That prompted my harsh response, because it was uncalled for- and since it didn't happen, obviously the FD players knew better. |
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Post by Murph on Aug 22, 2007 9:16:58 GMT -4
Smith, Voracek, White, MacAskill, Cheremetiev, and Louis-Seize all had points.......not all high end players, but also not rookies....11 points combined out of 25 that were given....almost half....... 13 of Halifax's 18 skaters last night will probably be on the final roster (albeit some will be mostly spares in the stands) ... I bet very few of the Foggies guys will be. The Titan also dressed anywhere from 11-14 guys who will be on the final roster ... vs, what 2 or 3 for Lewiston ... My point is these types of games are of very little benefit to anyone. Halifax's scratches last night: G- Kennedy and Yetman D- Bodnarchuck, Monast, Lund F- Swan, Hillier, Corsi, Peters, MacMillian It could have been worse.... Like it's been said before, Halifax had little choice. They have 20 returnees, and odds are they'll be either cutting, releasing, or trading some of those. St. John's knew Halifax's line up days in advance, and were supposed to send their other squad, only PEI the day before decided to dress a lot of their vets against the Fog Devils rookies, so the Fog Devils deided to pay PEI back. |
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Post by mikeb on Aug 22, 2007 9:23:28 GMT -4
I think there is an unspoken rule that the first few preseason games are for rookies and bubble boys.
There has been kerfluffles in the past when teams have played veterans in the first couple of games. I can remember when Moncton was mad at Bathurst for playing vets in the first (or second) preseason game, but injuries forced Bathurst to do it and Moncton was aware of the situation before the game so I don't know why they were bitching.
Same thing vs Halifax. Real Paiement knew the situation with the Heads and the small camp they had. Trust me if we knew about it, he more than knew about it, but he chose-he made the decision-he made the call to send all the rookies there to get tuned. It's on Paiement's head, not Hfx's.
Besides most vets cruise through the preseason games at this stage. They don't get really serious until later in the camp. Some go out of the way to make sure the rookies get the puck more than they deserve so the rookies get a chance to show what they got.
What confuses me is that he was the head coach at both games according to the league last night. That's a lot of fast commuting. (I didn't check to see if the league changed it this morning.)
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 22, 2007 9:29:41 GMT -4
13 of Halifax's 18 skaters last night will probably be on the final roster (albeit some will be mostly spares in the stands) ... I bet very few of the Foggies guys will be. The Titan also dressed anywhere from 11-14 guys who will be on the final roster ... vs, what 2 or 3 for Lewiston ... My point is these types of games are of very little benefit to anyone. Halifax's scratches last night: G- Kennedy and Yetman D- Bodnarchuck, Monast, Lund F- Swan, Hillier, Corsi, Peters, MacMillian It could have been worse.... Like it's been said before, Halifax had little choice. They have 20 returnees, and odds are they'll be either cutting, releasing, or trading some of those. St. John's knew Halifax's line up days in advance, and were supposed to send their other squad, only PEI the day before decided to dress a lot of their vets against the Fog Devils rookies, so the Fog Devils deided to pay PEI back. It wasn't so much Halifax that iced too many vets, it was more SJs that sent a crappy squad to Halifax. All their vets and top young players were basically in PEI. |
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Post by Porkchop on Aug 22, 2007 9:34:26 GMT -4
Smith, Voracek, White, MacAskill, Cheremetiev, and Louis-Seize all had points.......not all high end players, but also not rookies....11 points combined out of 25 that were given....almost half....... 13 of Halifax's 18 skaters last night will probably be on the final roster (albeit some will be mostly spares in the stands) ... I bet very few of the Foggies guys will be. The Titan also dressed anywhere from 11-14 guys who will be on the final roster ... vs, what 2 or 3 for Lewiston ... My point is these types of games are of very little benefit to anyone. The Titan were playing their 3rd game in 3 nights and had made about 15 cuts after the 1st 2 games........Perreault played very little.....2 or 3 shifts in the 3rd period........the damage was done by guys like Faille who was between the 3rd and 4th lines last year......and they played the shit out of the young guys trying to make the team.......I think there was 57 on the original training camp roster.......there was around 8 that didn't show up then another 15 or so cut.......I'd guess there weren't much more than 30 guys left in camp before the game last night, maybe 35, as I'm not sure on a set number.......are they supposed to dress 10 guys? |
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Post by IslandersHKY on Aug 22, 2007 9:37:32 GMT -4
Like it's been said before, Halifax had little choice. They have 20 returnees, and odds are they'll be either cutting, releasing, or trading some of those. St. John's knew Halifax's line up days in advance, and were supposed to send their other squad, only PEI the day before decided to dress a lot of their vets against the Fog Devils rookies, so the Fog Devils deided to pay PEI back. I'm sick of hearing complaining that PEI stacked their team with veterans against the Fog Devils. As I previously stated PEI divided its roster into 2 equal squads they did not load up. On Mon here is how the lineups looked. PEI's Veterans who Dressed: Morrison, Latal, Locke, Gervais, Lessard. St. John's Veterans who dressed: Graham, Guilbault, Layton, Dubuc, Pomerleau On Sunday here is how the lineups looked: PEI's Veterans who dressed: Walker, Lachaine, Cliche, Southorn, Swit St. John's Veterans who dressed: Welcher, Allard, Adam, O'Keefe, Stanley The rest of the players for both teams were basically bubble players, draft picks and invites. Seems pretty even to me so I don't understand what all the complaining is about except for the fact that PEI beat St. John's handily the first two games. |
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Post by Murph on Aug 22, 2007 10:18:06 GMT -4
Like it's been said before, Halifax had little choice. They have 20 returnees, and odds are they'll be either cutting, releasing, or trading some of those. St. John's knew Halifax's line up days in advance, and were supposed to send their other squad, only PEI the day before decided to dress a lot of their vets against the Fog Devils rookies, so the Fog Devils deided to pay PEI back. I'm sick of hearing complaining that PEI stacked their team with veterans against the Fog Devils. As I previously stated PEI divided its roster into 2 equal squads they did not load up. On Mon here is how the lineups looked. PEI's Veterans who Dressed: Morrison, Latal, Locke, Gervais, Lessard. St. John's Veterans who dressed: Graham, Guilbault, Layton, Dubuc, Pomerleau On Sunday here is how the lineups looked: PEI's Veterans who dressed: Walker, Lachaine, Cliche, Southorn, Swit St. John's Veterans who dressed: Welcher, Allard, Adam, O'Keefe, Stanley The rest of the players for both teams were basically bubble players, draft picks and invites. Seems pretty even to me so I don't understand what all the complaining is about except for the fact that PEI beat St. John's handily the first two games. I don't care what PEI's lineup was, and if you think it's justified. I'm just relaying the reasoning given from St. John's perspective as to why the kept their veterans out of Halifax. |
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