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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 10:05:47 GMT -4
Not the point. I'm not talking about the Titan, Wildcats etc... I'm talking every team. I'm not a fan of retireing a number just for the sake of retireing a number. There should be a criteria followed. The right player will come. I am inclined to agree ... to me, a number retirement is something you would expect to see once in a generation (i.e. every 20-25 years) ... it should be a truly special player who makes a lasting impact on the team and community. Is Gaudet that guy? I don't know ... maybe. That is why I don't think you should ever retire a number the year a player leaves ... wait several years, see if their impact stands the test of time ... if in 10 years, Gaudet is still considered the greatest captain and leader in the history of the Cats, then by all means, consider retiring his jersey. But now is too soon IMO. well said...that's what I was trying to explain. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 12, 2007 10:11:59 GMT -4
To retire a jersey, I would believe the player would have to had to have made a huge impact on the team in scoring, leadership and have dominated in the entire the league. There should be a strict criteria to follow in order to have a players number retired. You are suggesting that only offensive players are worthy ? Why is that ? Bob Gainey's number will be retired in Montreal this year ... do you oppose that ? Gaudet did make a huge impact ... great defensive player ... dominating faceoff man ... great PK guy ... blocked shots better than anybody ... exceptional forechecker ... his greatest asset was his leadership ... and he never seemed to get tired. Gaudet was a huge reason why the Wildcats finished 4th in a rebuilding year ... He set the tone for the trademark work ethic that carried the team to a much higher finish than anybody expected ... he lead and they followed. Hockey teams need more than just scoring to be successful ... and guys like Gaudet are far more important to a team than guys that can score. You'll go nowhere as a team without good leadership ... even if you can score in bunches ... the Titan proved that last year. On top of all that ... Gaudet is an excellent student which also helps lead the players to be better students as well ... an important part of their stay in Moncton. You didn't get to see him do the things night in and night out like we did ... your opinion of him doesn't matter because of that. He'd get standing ovations after penalty kills ... killing a full 2 mins of a 5 on 3. It doesn't hurt that he is a local product ... Memramcook and Moncton MAAA ... but that doesn't make any difference. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 12, 2007 10:13:24 GMT -4
I am inclined to agree ... to me, a number retirement is something you would expect to see once in a generation (i.e. every 20-25 years) ... it should be a truly special player who makes a lasting impact on the team and community. Is Gaudet that guy? I don't know ... maybe. That is why I don't think you should ever retire a number the year a player leaves ... wait several years, see if their impact stands the test of time ... if in 10 years, Gaudet is still considered the greatest captain and leader in the history of the Cats, then by all means, consider retiring his jersey. But now is too soon IMO. well said...that's what I was trying to explain. No it wasn't ... you claimed his numbers didn't justify it ... didn't score enough. Stop back-pedalling. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2007 10:31:08 GMT -4
well said...that's what I was trying to explain. No it wasn't ... you claimed his numbers didn't justify it ... didn't score enough. Stop back-pedalling. Yes it is...how do you know what I meant? Number do count also, but it shouldn't be based solely only either. Jimmy had a better explanation than I did.  You're making yourself look foolish again. |
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Post by forrest on Sept 12, 2007 10:36:25 GMT -4
To retire a jersey, I would believe the player would have to had to have made a huge impact on the team in scoring, leadership and have dominated in the entire the league. There should be a strict criteria to follow in order to have a players number retired. You are suggesting that only offensive players are worthy ? Why is that ? Bob Gainey's number will be retired in Montreal this year ... do you oppose that ?Gaudet did make a huge impact ... great defensive player ... dominating faceoff man ... great PK guy ... blocked shots better than anybody ... exceptional forechecker ... his greatest asset was his leadership ... and he never seemed to get tired. Gaudet was a huge reason why the Wildcats finished 4th in a rebuilding year ... He set the tone for the trademark work ethic that carried the team to a much higher finish than anybody expected ... he lead and they followed. Hockey teams need more than just scoring to be successful ... and guys like Gaudet are far more important to a team than guys that can score. You'll go nowhere as a team without good leadership ... even if you can score in bunches ... the Titan proved that last year. On top of all that ... Gaudet is an excellent student which also helps lead the players to be better students as well ... an important part of their stay in Moncton. You didn't get to see him do the things night in and night out like we did ... your opinion of him doesn't matter because of that. He'd get standing ovations after penalty kills ... killing a full 2 mins of a 5 on 3. It doesn't hurt that he is a local product ... Memramcook and Moncton MAAA ... but that doesn't make any difference. YES |
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Post by jimmy on Sept 12, 2007 10:48:56 GMT -4
Diverting a bit off course ... how the hell did Bill Riley end up with his number retired? His stats were okay, and I know he was the captain ... but it seems that this would be an example of a team desparate to retire a jersey, and he just happened to be the best candidate ... If the NB Hawks still existed as an organisation, do you think they would be proud to be associated with some of the antics Riley has been known for over the past decade or so in the MJAHL? Doubtful ... which is part of my rationale on why you wait a while to retire a number - you want to make sure that whatever player you wind up providing this ultimate honour to is deserving not only as a player, but as a citizen following their playing career - not somebody who will be out embarrassing the organisation on a regular basis.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 12, 2007 14:11:29 GMT -4
Diverting a bit off course ... how the hell did Bill Riley end up with his number retired? His stats were okay, and I know he was the captain ... but it seems that this would be an example of a team desparate to retire a jersey, and he just happened to be the best candidate ... If the NB Hawks still existed as an organisation, do you think they would be proud to be associated with some of the antics Riley has been known for over the past decade or so in the MJAHL? Doubtful ... which is part of my rationale on why you wait a while to retire a number - you want to make sure that whatever player you wind up providing this ultimate honour to is deserving not only as a player, but as a citizen following their playing career - not somebody who will be out embarrassing the organisation on a regular basis. Nice low brow comment Jimmy ... Riley coaches to win ... do you have something against him for that ? Or is it something else ? I watched Riley play ... watched him Captain his team to a Calder Cup championship ... he scored big goals ... dropped the gloves to defend anybody ... laid his body on the line everynight for his team ... and worked like a dog every shift ... all the while having to deal with racial crap from his opponents. I'm 100% certain that any member of the NB Hawks are still very proud that Bill Riley was a member of their team. That was your worst post ever ... embarassing really ...  |
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Post by sec21critic on Sept 12, 2007 15:07:35 GMT -4
A few points.
Phil Doiron wore #5
All three of those numbers (7, 11, 5) WERE being withheld by the Wildcats organization during the teams earlier years. 7 was not used until Dan Hudgin was traded here... 11 until Karl Gagne's rookie season.... and 5 wasn't used until James Sanford was traded here. I agree that it's odd that players to this day wear those numbers for the highest level team in town... and those numbers are hanging in the rafters at the very same time. I never really got that.
And 12 may not be used this year only because the organization very rarely issues numbers of the previous year's 20's. I'm kind of surprised #4 and #27 are already back in circulation. I don't think that's necessarily right either... not when other players in team history who had less of a significant impact in their OA season DID have their jersey out of circulation for at least a year.
Not saying Gaudet is undeserving of such an honor... I'd be happy to see it personally, but would also not be surprised if it didn't happen. However, I think it's fair to say you won't see 12 in use for at least a couple of years.
And why are some people saying "I hope I don't get crapped on" in this thread? I've seen it at least twice and that is twice too many. Are people that scared of what steve has to say to them? If so, that is beyond sad.
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Post by Wheelies on Sept 12, 2007 15:41:03 GMT -4
To retire a jersey, I would believe the player would have to had to have made a huge impact on the team in scoring, leadership and have dominated in the entire the league. There should be a strict criteria to follow in order to have a players number retired. You are suggesting that only offensive players are worthy ? Why is that ? Bob Gainey's number will be retired in Montreal this year ... do you oppose that ? Gaudet did make a huge impact ... great defensive player ... dominating faceoff man ... great PK guy ... blocked shots better than anybody ... exceptional forechecker ... his greatest asset was his leadership ... and he never seemed to get tired. Gaudet was a huge reason why the Wildcats finished 4th in a rebuilding year ... He set the tone for the trademark work ethic that carried the team to a much higher finish than anybody expected ... he lead and they followed. Hockey teams need more than just scoring to be successful ... and guys like Gaudet are far more important to a team than guys that can score. You'll go nowhere as a team without good leadership ... even if you can score in bunches ... the Titan proved that last year. On top of all that ... Gaudet is an excellent student which also helps lead the players to be better students as well ... an important part of their stay in Moncton. You didn't get to see him do the things night in and night out like we did ... your opinion of him doesn't matter because of that. He'd get standing ovations after penalty kills ... killing a full 2 mins of a 5 on 3. It doesn't hurt that he is a local product ... Memramcook and Moncton MAAA ... but that doesn't make any difference. Very ,Very well put Steve!!!! Edit: You just can't argue with that kind of logic....I think it also makes a big differance that he was a home town boy...We are proud of his contribution to OUR community!! |
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Post by MikeC on Sept 12, 2007 22:50:23 GMT -4
No one wore Tanguay's 18 or Shelley's 25 and that's the way it should be. Of course maybe the Cat's aren't planning any number retirement at all.... Actually, a few players wore 18 after Tanguay, before it was retired. Off the top of my head, David Hemsworth and JF Laplante wore it. |
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