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Post by Sébastien on Nov 9, 2007 11:32:27 GMT -4
My opinion of how well the coaching staff has performed up to this point is not a secret, and if you don't know, I'll simply say that I am not a fan of it. I'm just wondering how the rest of the fans here feel about it.
Opinions?
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Post by bois on Nov 9, 2007 11:56:59 GMT -4
Coach of the year
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Post by Optimus Reim on Nov 9, 2007 12:19:26 GMT -4
I am hoping that there are other things going on in the backround with some of the decisions that are being made. ie: Baca sitting, Gomes playing 2nd pairing and PP time, Lavigne starting 4 in a row, Labelle sitting etc... We will hopefully find out sooner rather than later, but I will reserve judgement til teh trade deadline passes.
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Post by forrest on Nov 9, 2007 12:30:45 GMT -4
I kind of expected a slow start this year.
Flynn is a high profile, experienced and demanding coach. I expected him to implement a good system and with all the young players on the team, I didn't expect it to work great right from the start, although we had frustrating periods the past games, we also saw some nice improvements.
As the season progresses, I question some decisions he makes... Like not having Bacca in the lineup enough, and not having Brown in the lineup enough. However, when you take these two examples and you look at how they have improved since the beginning of the year, I figure he must be doing something right, it's not only the playing time that helps them improve. Remember he's use to coach teams that play half the games in a season.
The fact that we have a large roster and he has to rotate his players a lot is bound to bring him criticism.
Flynn is not only a good coach behind the bench, but a good teacher to help the players improve despite them not having 20 minutes of ice time every game. Even the guys that don't play every game are getting as much ice time as they would if they were playing University hockey, so with his past experience, I think he doesn't see it as a problem that a guy doesn't play every game.
IMO, I will give him benefit of doubt for a much longer period than 2 months, especially when we keep seeing some improvements. When I say longer than 2 months, I mean the whole year. Remember this guy is also the GM, and I expect he has a long term plan and we will see the benefits later rather than sooner.
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Post by Dman on Nov 9, 2007 12:40:00 GMT -4
I kind of expected a slow start this year. Flynn is a high profile, experienced and demanding coach. I expected him to implement a good system and with all the young players on the team, I didn't expect it to work great right from the start, although we had frustrating periods the past games, we also saw some nice improvements. As the season progresses, I question some decisions he makes... Like not having Bacca in the lineup enough, and not having Brown in the lineup enough. However, when you take these two examples and you look at how they have improved since the beginning of the year, I figure he must be doing something right, it's not only the playing time that helps them improve. Remember he's use to coach teams that play half the games in a season. The fact that we have a large roster and he has to rotate his players a lot is bound to bring him criticism. Flynn is not only a good coach behind the bench, but a good teacher to help the players improve despite them not having 20 minutes of ice time every game. Even the guys that don't play every game are getting as much ice time as they would if they were playing University hockey, so with his past experience, I think he doesn't see it as a problem that a guy doesn't play every game. IMO, I will give him benefit of doubt for a much longer period than 2 months, especially when we keep seeing some improvements. When I say longer than 2 months, I mean the whole year. Remember this guy is also the GM, and I expect he has a long term plan and we will see the benefits later rather than sooner. Well put. I think we can give the coaching staff (Flynn) the benefit of the doubt here, and perhaps wait a little while longer before sending over the angry mob to Flynn's house with torches and signs calling for his job. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Nov 9, 2007 16:09:15 GMT -4
I have a hard time doing this but I'm giving Flynn the benefit of the doubt as well. I think this team is designed to finish in a place for and early draft. They may feel they have out of this years draft what they need to start the next team in two years.
My ultimate question will be answered when it is time to trade Labelle. We drafted him 4th, he played a great junior year, he still can get into the scouts eyes on the right team no thanks to us, so what is a fair trade. The way we used him we can't get a first for him but trading him for a 4th or higher would be stupid. So what's he worth. Flynn will let us know soon and then I will tell you what I think of Flynn and his future plans.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 9, 2007 23:55:32 GMT -4
My opinion of how well the coaching staff has performed up to this point is not a secret, and if you don't know, I'll simply say that I am not a fan of it. I'm just wondering how the rest of the fans here feel about it. Opinions? 7 of a possible 8 points so far in November and two wins on the road against the two best teams in the division. Must be doing something right  I have found some of the line-up decisions to be puzzling at times and I don't think I'll ever be a fan of the treatment Baca and Labelle have received so far. Having said that forrest brings up a good point that with so many players no one is ever going to be happy with who is in and out of the line-up. I also still think we're too passive at times on the PK and give the other point men way too much time and space but we don't seem to be giving up quite as many PP goals lately so who am I to question the strategy? I was happy when I heard that Flynn was hired to be the new head coach and I'm not about to jump off the bandwagon after less than 2 months of regular season action. I'm pretty confident that Flynn knows what he's doing and the team will be better off for having him in the long run. |
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Post by thedoubled on Nov 10, 2007 19:11:57 GMT -4
Jeez Danny Flynn wake up you and your team only got 7 out of 8 points to start November we need 8 for 8 and we have to win every single game the rest of the year. And in regards to your team, who cares about the Quebec League rules play everyone on your roster so you have 5 lines and 8 defense and you should really consider using the old pee wee move of switching your goalies at the 10 minute mark of the second period SO EVERYONE on this board is happy and will have nothing to complain about. the PP should score on every oppurtunity and the PK should also have the highest effeicency rates and the most short handed goals as well. Anything less and you should really be fired because Ted Nolan and Torchetti did all those things perfect Sarcasm the whole way if you can't tell |
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Post by Sébastien on Nov 10, 2007 23:49:20 GMT -4
Jeez Danny Flynn wake up you and your team only got 7 out of 8 points to start November we need 8 for 8 and we have to win every single game the rest of the year. And in regards to your team, who cares about the Quebec League rules play everyone on your roster so you have 5 lines and 8 defense and you should really consider using the old pee wee move of switching your goalies at the 10 minute mark of the second period SO EVERYONE on this board is happy and will have nothing to complain about. the PP should score on every oppurtunity and the PK should also have the highest effeicency rates and the most short handed goals as well. Anything less and you should really be fired because Ted Nolan and Torchetti did all those things perfect Sarcasm the whole way if you can't tell I think you can keep your mockery messages off this board, but I guess I'll respond to your message in a adult way and with arguments, something you seem to be incapable to do if this message is any indication. When my original post was written, the Wildcats were coming off a month during which they went 2-8 I believe, and although you saw some of the players work harder during games, many mistakes that could be attributed to the coaching staff seemed to cost games (the penalty kill formation during the game in Gatineau can be used as an example here). Then the team went on to win a game against Victoriaville, who was then also completely whiped by Bathurst. They also beat a Halifax team who was in the midst of a losing streak and very much struggling. Then a 3-0 lead turned into a shootout loss against St-John. The win against Cape-Breton was impressive. If they can keep it up, then the questions will cease to come up. But it will take more then one win against a strong team who's doing well to stop the questions. You might as well start planning the parade... As for comparing Flynn to Nolan and Torchetti, there's still a very long way to go. |
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Post by thedoubled on Nov 11, 2007 4:30:15 GMT -4
bobo ur a joke
every team goes through a losing streak, this team wouldn't finsih in the top 5 in the Q if scotty bowman was coaching them. They don't really have any offence there defense is brutal and the goalies are marginal to say the least.
next year they will be better, so if you want to diagram a perfect penalty kill i will make sure that the coaching staff gets it trust me. until then continue to be an arm chair coach and leave the coaching up to the experts, actually you might coach but when you have a Mem cup ring, a CIS ring, a world junior gold medal, a world championship bronze a spenglar cup gold medal or a Quebec league championship ring then you tell coach flynn how to run his team until then ... go to the rink drink you coffee/beer and watch what be happens because u have no clue how to run a hockey team.
By the way the BANWAGON is about 5 miles down the road you better sprint before you jump back on it.
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Post by dovs on Nov 11, 2007 9:34:22 GMT -4
bobo ur a joke every team goes through a losing streak, this team wouldn't finsih in the top 5 in the Q if scotty bowman was coaching them. They don't really have any offence there defense is brutal and the goalies are marginal to say the least. next year they will be better, so if you want to diagram a perfect penalty kill i will make sure that the coaching staff gets it trust me. until then continue to be an arm chair coach and leave the coaching up to the experts, actually you might coach but when you have a Mem cup ring, a CIS ring, a world junior gold medal, a world championship bronze a spenglar cup gold medal or a Quebec league championship ring then you tell coach flynn how to run his team until then ... go to the rink drink you coffee/beer and watch what be happens because u have no clue how to run a hockey team. By the way the BANWAGON is about 5 miles down the road you better sprint before you jump back on it. totally agree,when Danny Flynn was picked as head coach of this team at the beginning of the year,i figured it would take some time before Danny Flynn would make his mark on this team,yes myself as a cats fan question Flynn moves sometimes but were not the experts in that field.We have a coach from the maritimes that is willing to stay and has tons of experience coaching,so lets give danny time before we jump all over him . |
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Post by bikerboy on Nov 11, 2007 9:59:40 GMT -4
i just don t like him . don t like the way he does not play players . but he is a all around coach that knows what he does so ill give him the benefit of the doubt , but still don t like the way he plays with players morals .
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Post by dovs on Nov 11, 2007 10:29:17 GMT -4
i just don t like him . don t like the way he does not play players . but he is a all around coach that knows what he does so ill give him the benefit of the doubt , but still don t like the way he plays with players morals . Thats the sad thing about major jr hockey,your dealing with young players heads ,i had a very good friend of mine that left home at the age of 17 to go play for the hull olympics years ago,at christmas time he was back home,no playing time .After that he seemed to have lost alot of confidence in himself.Its a very fragile situation. |
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Post by Sébastien on Nov 11, 2007 12:00:18 GMT -4
You know someone is incapable of argumenting when the insults start to fly...  Actually, at the start of the season, many people believed the Wildcats would finish in the top 5. They finished 3rd in the conference last year and had most of the roster coming back. Everyone knew the defense would be hurting with the loss of Welton, MacDonald and Gaudet, but the offensive was not expected to be struggling this much. We Bezak who was suposed to help out (is pretty much doing what was expected), but we also had Eagles, Magnan, Mardquart, Cameron, Labelle, Lessard and Brannon. Now that's not an offense like Bathurst has, but at the start of the year, it was something that a lot of people though we could do something with. Now Lessard has struggled for whatever reason. He usually works hard, but he doesn't get the puck in the net. Lately started playing on the 4th line. Good call, even though I have been a fan of Lessard since day 1. Labelle struggled during training camp and during the season, and was put in the stands, a decision which most people agreed with. However, upon his return to the ice, he was playing hard, making some plays even though he was playing with Brown (a 16 year old) and Brenton (offensively snake bitten). To reward that fact, he kept heading back in the stands while this team was struggling offensively. Cameron has done almost nothing since he got back here. Too many blind passes in the neutral zone, looses battles against the boards and finds himself falling on the ice more times then none. However, he playing with Mardquart, which speaking of, should have been playing with Magnan from day one. I would hope that next year would be better, just like I hoped that this year would be better or at least as good as last year. But when you speak of a perfect penalty kill diagram, that's where your lack of knowledge in the game shows. There is no such thing as a perfect penalty kill. There are 3 main strategies: the collapsing box, the diamond and the wide box. The collapsing box will be good of the oposing team has an average offensive defenseman. It puts you in a position to block shots going from the point to the net. However, the bad part is that you leave the wingers of the side open and they can make plays from there. But you concede that, hoping that the cross pass lane never opens up. As long as the defenseman does not get the puck through, you're ok. We have seen this being used efficiently against the Wildcats. The diamond concedes the point shot, and often times the shot will be uncontested. You have one winger up top trying to block one defenseman's shot, one winger covering the half board, one defenseman cutting the through pass and one in front of the net. Now the positioning should change as the play goes along, as there will be rotations and odd man chances that makes another player help out his teamate. The point is in this situation, you're usually playing against a team with barely any offensive talent on the blue line. They wont be able to thread a pass and nobody has a killer shot. This has also been used efficiently against the Wildcats. Finally, there's the wide box where you chase the opposing players a lot more and do not concede the point shot. You try to make the other team beat you with their forwards and quick passes. This is the type of strategy Moncton is best against, since they are good at puck possession, they just can't get a shot off usually. This gives you more time to do so. However, you are going to see less and less teams use this strategy against Moncton, unless Pianosi becomes what was advertised or someone improves beyond recognition on that blue line. Although the penalty kill formation against the Olympiques was problematic (playing the diamond against a point shooting team, where Gatineau was basically 4 for 4 on the powerplay), the big problem was the fact that there was no adaptation from the coaching staff, which indicates two things: either they did not recognize that fact, or the players only learned that system. Either way, it was bad. I am a fan. I am alowed to criticise, demonstrate my point of view. I have gone to watch this team play outside of Moncton a couple of times already, I don't drink cofee or beer at the rink, I always cheer the team on the ice as loudly as I can and I never boo the team, because even if I can understand some people's frustration, I do not see how that can help the team. If only the people who did what you mentionned were alowed to comment (except to point out the positives), all we would have here is a bunch of Neil Hodges and a really boring board. My God, first of all, learn to write as your whole message pretty much sucks. The writing, the arguments, everything. Stop writing, you make this board look bad. Second of all, if all you have to say is insults and all you can do is use sarcasm, then stay of the board. Lastly, in case you couldn't read my whole message: The win against Cape-Breton was impressive. If they can keep it up, then the questions will cease to come up. But it will take more then one win against a strong team who's doing well to stop the questions. |
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