Howes suspended

[catnut]

3 games.

www.lhjmq.qc.ca/lang_en/index.php?page=232&id_nouvelle=1671

[Q Fanboy]

I just went back and watched this and it was hardly intentional. I think it was great that a terrible referee, one from Halifax no less, was sent to officate this game by himself. He was Carruthers bad.

[Jason]

What exactly happened?

[markofthebeast]

camroc said:

I just went back and watched this and it was hardly intentional. I think it was great that a terrible referee, one from Halifax no less, was sent to officate this game by himself. He was Carruthers bad.

This has noting to do with Thomander other then he thought it necessary to eject him from the game which means it get a automatic review by the league. The suspension is what the league thought was warranted for this situation. We lost Grenache for at least one game so that probably factored into the situation.

The thing you have to look at is he being suspend for a vicious slash that caused injury. The fact he probably wasn't aiming for his face so it wasn't "totally" intentional (the intent was there for a slash but more then likely not to the face) was the difference between 3 games and say 20 games.

I think the suspension is about right for a vicious slash I thought it would have been 2 but knowing that Grenache was injured and missed at least one game 3 seems good.

Edit: changed Carruthers to Thomander

[Q Fanboy]

The referee was Thomander not Carruthers. I brought up Carruthers as he just constantly sets the bar higher and higher on horrible officiating.

[markofthebeast]

Either way the suspension has little to do with the way the game was refed.

[J4M13]

markofthebeast said:

Either way the suspension has little to do with the way the game was refed.

I would tend to disagree. He consistently missed calls, and made the players feel it was necessary to take the policing of the game into their own hands. Howes himself was cross-checked in the back of the head in the second period, no call. His linemate was mugged in front of the net seconds before, no call. Maybe he should have been more mature, and more careful with his stick. No one's arguing that. But he's a 20 year-old kid, and sometimes, emotion gets the best of all of us.

I know the officiating was bad for both sides, and there are probably half a dozen arguments of missed calls the other way, but they only strengthen my argument that he let too much go, either on purpose or because he just wasn't capable of reffing a game by himself.

Should Howes have done it? No.

Should he be suspended? Yes. 3 games seems reasonable to me, given the extent of the dental surgery Howes performed. Without a license, no less.

Was the horrible officiating one of the reasons why it happened? Yes.

Was the fact that the ref is from Halifax a reason for any of this? God, I hope not. I really hope he's just terrible, and not biased. The fact of the matter is, he's dropped Thane to #3 on my list of awful refs, behind Carruthers and now Thomander.

[markofthebeast]

If that was the case why didn't any of the Devils or for that matter any other Sea Dogs end up with Majs for something other then fighting. When Howes was here the last trip he showed he we easily frustrated and took penalties when he was. I can only think this was another undisciplined play for a player who is easily frustrated (by the Devils anyway). It's no the refs fault a player can't keep his emotions in check.

[elementz]

Fair suspension, I figured 2 games but 3 makes sense considering the victim will miss a game or 2. From my POV, it did not look intentional at all, just got the stick to high up. I do agree with other posters that say if the ref called the slewfoot and the punch in the head literally seconds before, we probably wouldn't have seen that.

Oh well, this gives an opportunity for a player(s) to step up in the offense.

[SteveUL]

elementz said:

Fair suspension, I figured 2 games but 3 makes sense considering the victim will miss a game or 2. From my POV, it did not look intentional at all, just got the stick to high up. I do agree with other posters that say if the ref called the slewfoot and the punch in the head literally seconds before, we probably wouldn't have seen that.

Oh well, this gives an opportunity for a player(s) to step up in the offense.

Ok ... so it wasn't intentional according to you ... but if the Ref had called the earlier penalties then it probably doesn't happen ... according to you. That seems a little contradictory ... don't you think. You are suggesting that Howes did it out of frustration ... frustration from non-calls ... which certainly indicates that there was intent ... or perhaps irrational behaviour ... and not an accidental incident.

I didn't see the incident ... know nothing about it ... just confused by your interpretation.


Another note on this ... this rarely comes into play and probably has no affect on the Seadogs since you don't have an extra 20 YO hanging around (do you ?) .... but when a 20 YO gets suspended you cannot insert another 20 YO in the lineup to take his spot ... you can only play with two 20 YO until the suspension is served.

[bjindaho]

no...he is suggesting that if the play ends on the penalties, Howes leaves the ice, thus preventing him from committing the penalty (unless he has some super human power other than the one we know about)

Edit: Grammatical cafuffle.

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quimper said:

markofthebeast said:

Either way the suspension has little to do with the way the game was refed.

I would tend to disagree. He consistently missed calls, and made the players feel it was necessary to take the policing of the game into their own hands. Howes himself was cross-checked in the back of the head in the second period, no call. His linemate was mugged in front of the net seconds before, no call. Maybe he should have been more mature, and more careful with his stick. No one's arguing that. But he's a 20 year-old kid, and sometimes, emotion gets the best of all of us.

I know the officiating was bad for both sides, and there are probably half a dozen arguments of missed calls the other way, but they only strengthen my argument that he let too much go, either on purpose or because he just wasn't capable of reffing a game by himself.

Should Howes have done it? No.

Should he be suspended? Yes. 3 games seems reasonable to me, given the extent of the dental surgery Howes performed. Without a license, no less.

Was the horrible officiating one of the reasons why it happened? Yes.

Was the fact that the ref is from Halifax a reason for any of this? God, I hope not. I really hope he's just terrible, and not biased. The fact of the matter is, he's dropped Thane to #3 on my list of awful refs, behind Carruthers and now Thomander.

I dont think he is biased,,,,,,,,,,,,,just BAD.
We cringe everytime he is anounced as referring one of our games too,,,,,,,,,,and he is a hometown ref.
He tries to make himself a factor in the game.

[tostitos]

camroc said:

He was Carruthers bad.

Don't goto Thursday's game then.

[Q Fanboy]

tostitos said:

camroc said:

He was Carruthers bad.

Don't goto Thursday's game then.

Why is Carruthers officiating?? or pretending to officiate?? And how does one know this things in advance?? Seriously, if he is I may just stay home so I don't have to watch him steal 2 points from the dogs.

[tostitos]

camroc said:

tostitos said:

Don't goto Thursday's game then.

Why is Carruthers officiating?? or pretending to officiate?? And how does one know this things in advance?? Seriously, if he is I may just stay home so I don't have to watch him steal 2 points from the dogs.

No, I meant it as that any ref in the league is pretty much Carruthers bad, except for maybe Pellerin or J. Hebert. Quite simply put, the refs are a joke in this league.