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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 20, 2010 14:49:44 GMT -4
No it didn't bother me at all. I just find it comical that a fan base that cheered his play criticizes any other teams players who aren't holier than thou. And I find it comical that you would even try to compare Pascal Morency to Garrett Clarke considering the different times they played in. The teams may be the same, but that was a completely different league.....the fact you even remember Pascal Morency should tell you that....I bet in 10 years no Eagle/Wildcat/Sea Dog/Rocket/Titan fan could give a shit about Garrett Clarke but Moose fans STILL have their Pascal Morency hate on....just the way he wanted it, too, which is the most comical part of it all.
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Post by canbeer on Feb 20, 2010 15:40:31 GMT -4
That right there tells me all I needed to know to base my opinion. I will be the first to admit both Smith and Russell had me scratching my head at times but look at what has transpired this season. First Smith has come out and admitted some mistakes he made. Whether you like him or not for someone to admit that takes balls. He could have flat out blamed Patenaude and no one would have batted an eye. Second he made a commitment to move forward with youth and stick to the plan. Russell still has stuff to learn behind the bench but he knows more than I would guess 99% of us armchairs GM/coaches here. The players bust their asses off for him every night so he is doing something right. Let's see if this group progresses next year before we pass judgment on his abilities. As for Clarke, yeah he can be dirty at times but it is a fine line that he plays. Not that I condone the dirty plays, nor saying he is dirty all the time, but I am pretty sure every player has done something cheap/dirty during their playing days. Every player is human and can get frustrated or pissed off and react. As has already been mentioned any team that cheered for Morencey should keep quiet when it comes to bs on the ice. That was a disgrace to the game no matter what way you look at it, and please save his off ice contributions if you try to defend him. Bottom line for this season is the kids played hard almost every game and to me I couldn't ask for more. I had more fun at the rink this year than that last team we had that was supposed to go for it all. It must drive some of you absolutely foolish that Pascal Morency actually played professional hockey seeing as a great deal of Moose fans still see him as an anti-christ. God I miss those days. Exactly... that's why it's nice to have a Clarke type. Tough to remember the last time the Moose had a guy like that. Him, Hannay and even Lewis shows some flashes of it... guys that are pricks to play against and play on the line. Clarke reminds me a bit of Marshall and Hannay sometimes reminds me of Saunders and I hated those players but it's nice to have them on your team. Those guys are 17 and Lewis is 16 and I like the potential of how hard the Moose D could be to play against in the coming years. I hope, in time, Clarke just learns to pick his spots. We don't need the big hit late in the 3rd period when we're leading (vs. SNB) or tied (last night vs. CB) but rather just solid defensive play.
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Post by milton on Feb 20, 2010 16:53:42 GMT -4
And once again Morency is the twinkle in your eye as an eagles fan. You guys love him and in your eyes he did a great job when he dove and flopped and ran around the ice like a complete moron. How is Clarke any different. The kid is 17 for shit sakes. He may learn, he may not, but I am willing to wait and see. You can't say nobody will remember him 10 years from now. He may have a great career and be a pro someday, much to the dismay of you eagles fans I am sure, lol.
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Post by redline on Feb 20, 2010 17:46:11 GMT -4
No it didn't bother me at all. I just find it comical that a fan base that cheered his play criticizes any other teams players who aren't holier than thou. And I find it comical that you would even try to compare Pascal Morency to Garrett Clarke considering the different times they played in. The teams may be the same, but that was a completely different league.....the fact you even remember Pascal Morency should tell you that....I bet in 10 years no Eagle/Wildcat/Sea Dog/Rocket/Titan fan could give a shit about Garrett Clarke but Moose fans STILL have their Pascal Morency hate on....just the way he wanted it, too, which is the most comical part of it all. Not comparing the two at all in terms of their play. His name came up in earlier post and the reference I was making was to how his play was cheered for by your fans and at the same time our guy is criticized by the same fan base. The league is different, wow thanks for pointing that out. Just the way he wanted it haha yeah I am sure he really cares 10 years or whatever it has been later if his name comes up on a message board.
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Post by dt281 on Feb 20, 2010 18:19:24 GMT -4
One difference between Morency and Clarke is Morency did whatever it would take to help his team win , whether it was dropping the gloves or diving head first into the boards to get a call. (I thought he was going to break his neck on a few occasions).
Clarke on the other hand, I read many times on Halifax's board where he took a bonehead penalty that cost you guys a win.
That's what made Morency popular with us, while some in Halifax are fed up with Clarke.
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Post by Hfx2012 on Feb 20, 2010 19:20:17 GMT -4
One difference between Morency and Clarke is Morency did whatever it would take to help his team win , whether it was dropping the gloves or diving head first into the boards to get a call. (I thought he was going to break his neck on a few occasions). Clarke on the other hand, I read many times on Halifax's board where he took a bonehead penalty that cost you guys a win. That's what made Morency popular with us, while some in Halifax are fed up with Clarke. Comparing an 18/19/20 year old's exploits to a player who just turned 17 seems a bit of a stretch. If Clarke is still doing some of the bonehead things he's done this year, again next year, then I would agree it's time for a change of scenery for him. A year can make a big difference for these kids. At this age, 6 months can make a big difference. Bottom line is they, Morency and Clarke are two completely different players who were / is in a league that has changed and is less tolerant of some of the antics that Morency did and Clarke does.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2010 19:35:49 GMT -4
One difference between Morency and Clarke is Morency did whatever it would take to help his team win , whether it was dropping the gloves or diving head first into the boards to get a call. (I thought he was going to break his neck on a few occasions). Clarke on the other hand, I read many times on Halifax's board where he took a bonehead penalty that cost you guys a win. That's what made Morency popular with us, while some in Halifax are fed up with Clarke. Yeah, faking getting checked from behind is such an honorable thing to do
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Post by dt281 on Feb 20, 2010 20:26:03 GMT -4
You're right, they are 2 completely different players. Clarke is selfish- Morency wasn't. Clarke is a high draft pick at 17 is starting to wear out his welcome on his second team. I know it would be such a stretch to compare 17 and 18 yo. but even at 17 Morency wasn't the problem child Clarke is.
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Post by dt281 on Feb 20, 2010 20:29:07 GMT -4
Who the hell is talking about honorable........all I said is he would doing anything to help the team win.........Clarke costs you wins.
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Post by defresh101 on Feb 20, 2010 22:15:32 GMT -4
WOW Clarke and the last place Mooseheads really rattled Cape Breton I would say. Kinda scary a team in the middle to higher end of the pack bickering and somewhat shaken by playing the last place team. Almost losing to the last place team if it wasnt for some costly penalties and of course a more depth team. Not saying Halifax could or should have won that. That game was not showing Halifaxs strengths as much as it showed Cape Bretons weaknesses. Now you are here arguing almost 2 days after the game with fans who support the worst team in the league(on paper) Now Moose fans dont get offended I am a Moose fan too. Shame on you Eagles fans act like a contender. Us Moose fans are just arguing to waste time until our rebuilding is over. Whats scary.................. you should be trying to rise to the top not argue with the bottom. But one Series and gone you start rebuilding. All those strong 1 year olds only can have 3 20s.
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Post by Hfx2012 on Feb 20, 2010 22:31:13 GMT -4
WOW Clarke and the last place Mooseheads really rattled Cape Breton I would say. Kinda scary a team in the middle to higher end of the pack bickering and somewhat shaken by playing the last place team. Almost losing to the last place team if it wasnt for some costly penalties and of course a more depth team. Not saying Halifax could or should have won that. That game was not showing Halifaxs strengths as much as it showed Cape Bretons weaknesses. Now you are here arguing almost 2 days after the game with fans who support the worst team in the league(on paper) Now Moose fans dont get offended I am a Moose fan too. Shame on you Eagles fans act like a contender. Us Moose fans are just arguing to waste time until our rebuilding is over. Whats scary.................. you should be trying to rise to the top not argue with the bottom. But one Series and gone you start rebuilding. All those strong 1 year olds only can have 3 20s. ;D ;D I have to agree. This is getting funnier by the post. The Caper fans hate him and continue to post about him and the SJ team have a complete piece in their Telegraph about him. And one poster / fan says he hates him only becasue he's not playing for his team. Sounds like we need to keep him around.... ;D ;D He's only got 20 points on a last place team and leads the team in hits.... and didn't someone else say he was a chickenshit referencing he's only 13th in the league in fights. He's 19, right? Trade him to the Capers
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Post by Deer on Feb 20, 2010 22:35:03 GMT -4
Enjoy watching your team be eliminated in the first round once again, lol. We suck everybody knows that, we aren't making the playoffs, everybody knows that, but I am going to love watching you poor CB fans cry and sook over being eliminated. You guys might have a great record against us over the last year or so, but where has that gotten you. I wouldn't brag too much about coming back from a 3-0 deficit against us. You guys have struggled against us lately and with bonehead behind your bench good luck against Flynn and Moncton. Have fun having no 1st rounder for the next few years, for a player that will do shit all against Moncton. Believe me when I say, we here in Halifax know how that feels. As far as your record against us, lets talk about that when we are not rebuilding. I think I recall a few years ago us sweeping you guys right out of the playoffs and all the CB fans saying how we should have because you guys were lucky to be there blah, blah. And if Clarke played for you guys, you would love him. These are the same fans that loved Morency all those years, surely one of the classiest and cleanest players in the league at the time. lol, what a joke. The casual fans at C200 will cry and sook if there's a first round elimination. But most hardcore fans expect it to happen, and kind of hope it does so there's some chance of some major changes being made. Because CB isn't going anywhere with the organizational mentality it has going on right now.
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Post by howitzer on Feb 20, 2010 23:15:12 GMT -4
No it didn't bother me at all. I just find it comical that a fan base that cheered his play criticizes any other teams players who aren't holier than thou. And I find it comical that you would even try to compare Pascal Morency to Garrett Clarke considering the different times they played in. The teams may be the same, but that was a completely different league.....the fact you even remember Pascal Morency should tell you that....I bet in 10 years no Eagle/Wildcat/Sea Dog/Rocket/Titan fan could give a shit about Garrett Clarke but Moose fans STILL have their Pascal Morency hate on....just the way he wanted it, too, which is the most comical part of it all. What difference does it make that Morency played in the league 7-8 years prior to Clarke? They both have that edge to their games that drive people crazy. You hate to play against them, but love to have them on your team (well, most of the time anyway). It's that simple. There were guys playing that way years before Morency and there will be guys doing it for years after Clarke is done in the league. Clarke's just got to realize there is a time and place for everything. Why, in the last 5 minutes of a tight game is there a need to be taking a run at Lagace? Same a couple weeks ago when he got called for that elbow that cost us a game. He shouldn't even be thinking about that garbage at that point in a game. Add to that he knows refs are watching him with a magnifying glass now. I still say when it comes down to it, between him just growing up himself, and Russell working with him, he'll eventually figure it out.
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Post by Deer on Feb 21, 2010 0:19:27 GMT -4
As much as opposing fans have maligned Morency, I don't really remember his antics costing us any games. In fact, sometimes when our team was flat, his antics - like em or not - sparked the team. Edit: If I don't remember Morency's clownmanship costing CB any games, part of that might be because it's been 8 years since he played for us. But still, I don't remember it being by any means a trend!
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Post by defresh101 on Feb 21, 2010 11:01:34 GMT -4
Enjoy watching your team be eliminated in the first round once again, lol. We suck everybody knows that, we aren't making the playoffs, everybody knows that, but I am going to love watching you poor CB fans cry and sook over being eliminated. You guys might have a great record against us over the last year or so, but where has that gotten you. I wouldn't brag too much about coming back from a 3-0 deficit against us. You guys have struggled against us lately and with bonehead behind your bench good luck against Flynn and Moncton. Have fun having no 1st rounder for the next few years, for a player that will do shit all against Moncton. Believe me when I say, we here in Halifax know how that feels. As far as your record against us, lets talk about that when we are not rebuilding. I think I recall a few years ago us sweeping you guys right out of the playoffs and all the CB fans saying how we should have because you guys were lucky to be there blah, blah. And if Clarke played for you guys, you would love him. These are the same fans that loved Morency all those years, surely one of the classiest and cleanest players in the league at the time. lol, what a joke. The casual fans at C200 will cry and sook if there's a first round elimination. But most hardcore fans expect it to happen, and kind of hope it does so there's some chance of some major changes being made. Because CB isn't going anywhere with the organizational mentality it has going on right now. Deer I can totally understand with a team that has an improper organizational mentality. It has taken a firing of a GM, an owner finally admitting he was wrong for fis part. A horrible trade that cost us a first round pick. Two years of worst team in the league. A huge loss in attendence, and much more I could list. Seems we are finally going in the right direction. Hope you guys dont have to hit Rock bottom. Heres a question the way the organization is at the moment could you see Cape Breton trading for Clarke. That was Halifaxs mentality in the past. Sh^^&%T disturbers like Abid, Larache, and Marchand were so annoying we went out and got them. But in 2 of those cases it orked out for us. And by no means comparing any three of those guys skills to Clarke.
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