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Post by defresh101 on Mar 1, 2010 15:10:03 GMT -4
I feel like a kid in a candy store asking the clerk what I can buy with my change. Just wanting to see others opinion.
We can draft all we want which is awesome we have so many picks in the next couple years.
But we can argue all we want, but we also need some experienced offensive players. Say a 18 or 19 year old. First one comes to mind is Duffy from PEI.
Would a 2nd and maybe Boudreua get us anything worth wild.
All names mentioned are just vague examples. But we need experience on this team. Not just for scoring, but you get the greatest draft picks in the world and that is putting alot of pressure on them the next 4 years to lead the Moose.
Yesss we have Randell and maybe even Knotek, and whatever 20 year old sbut not anyone else to show some leadership and teaching.
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 1, 2010 15:49:35 GMT -4
Moncton could have a surplus of quality 20 YOs next year ... Savard and Deschamps are likely 95% gone (so were Riopel and Hoffman though) ... Barberio and Bourque are probably better than 50% gone ... but Tessier, Wall, Stephens, Petterson are more than likely to return ... and if Jodoin isn't already heading out as a future, he'd be back also. Owen will also be available, but unless we find a goaltender elsewhere, we'll likely have to use an OA spot on him. We also have Metcalf but he can't go to Halifax.
Can't really put a price on them until we see who is and isn't back.
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Post by bois on Mar 1, 2010 15:59:16 GMT -4
if we trade Duffy to Halifax for a 2nd round pick as an 18 year old... it will be the worst deal Savard has ever made
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Post by canbeer on Mar 1, 2010 17:24:08 GMT -4
Grant, Bety and either Amyot or Dimitruk would be a good group of 20 year olds for the Moose next year so no point in spending on 20 year olds. I'd like to see an 18 year old solid (top 6) forward added... wouldn't mind a 19 year old if he looks like he'll be a very good 20 year old.
I would think a 2nd and Boudreau would get the Moose good return... no idea who. You would think the contenders from this year that need youth next year would be the teams to target... the Victo, Drumm, Ryn type teams.
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Post by falcon on Mar 1, 2010 17:49:59 GMT -4
I feel like a kid in a candy store asking the clerk what I can buy with my change. Just wanting to see others opinion. We can draft all we want which is awesome we have so many picks in the next couple years. But we can argue all we want, but we also need some experienced offensive players. Say a 18 or 19 year old. First one comes to mind is Duffy from PEI. Would a 2nd and maybe Boudreua get us anything worth wild. All names mentioned are just vague examples. But we need experience on this team. Not just for scoring, but you get the greatest draft picks in the world and that is putting alot of pressure on them the next 4 years to lead the Moose. Yesss we have Randell and maybe even Knotek, and whatever 20 year old sbut not anyone else to show some leadership and teaching. Marcel is that you? I thought Bobby and Gilles have told you not to post on message boards? |
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Post by howitzer on Mar 1, 2010 19:43:49 GMT -4
Grant and Amyot I can live with for 20's, but Bety and Dimitruk I can't see worth taking up a 20 spot. When we brought Dimitruk in, I expected him to surpass Amyot and be in line for a 20, but he's just not good enough. And Amyot's game actually picked up the last 20-25 games of the season. As for Bety, he's served us well, but time to move on and upgrade. I thought if he came in this year and could be more productive offensively then he could be in the picture, but he just doesn't bring enough in that regard. He works his ass off, is smart defensively and does the little things well, but we need more offensive leadership out of our 20's next year. Who we get to fill that, along with Grant, who knows, but we definitely can't have next year what we had this year for overagers.
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Post by lalalaprise on Mar 1, 2010 20:03:14 GMT -4
Amyot, Grant and Delmas will be the 20's.
Id probably have Bety on that list as well if Colorado signs Delmas, which may or may not happen.
I think its unlikely Halifax trades for a 20.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 1, 2010 20:17:52 GMT -4
Amyot, Grant and Delmas will be the 20's. Id probably have Bety on that list as well if Colorado signs Delmas, which may or may not happen. I think its unlikely Halifax trades for a 20. Why would they keep a 20 year old Delmas with Theriault-Corbeil there? |
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Post by howitzer on Mar 1, 2010 20:18:19 GMT -4
Amyot, Grant and Delmas will be the 20's. Id probably have Bety on that list as well if Colorado signs Delmas, which may or may not happen. I think its unlikely Halifax trades for a 20. Forgot about Delmas. He is in the conversation, but you've got to believe we're going to go with Corbeil, and have him start 45-50 games next year (ideally). If Colorado signs him, then that changes things, but if he's un-signed, and comes back, I think he should be moved. |
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Post by lalalaprise on Mar 1, 2010 20:21:43 GMT -4
Amyot, Grant and Delmas will be the 20's. Id probably have Bety on that list as well if Colorado signs Delmas, which may or may not happen. I think its unlikely Halifax trades for a 20. Why would they keep a 20 year old Delmas with Theriault-Corbeil there? You have to take into consideration a few things... i) Delmas might sign pro ii) Delmas is better in my opinion iii) MCT would have 2 years left vs Delmas only 1 iv) There would be a better trade market for MCT v) If you trade MCT and keep Delmas thana youll need to find a goalie for 11/12 This decision has to be done by early June so its a difficult situation to be in for Halifax. Them keepign Delmas is a pure guess on my part, its a tough decision. |
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Post by defresh101 on Mar 1, 2010 20:50:24 GMT -4
Amyot, Grant and Delmas will be the 20's. Id probably have Bety on that list as well if Colorado signs Delmas, which may or may not happen. I think its unlikely Halifax trades for a 20. Why would they keep a 20 year old Delmas with Theriault-Corbeil there? Sooo should we keep the last place team in the League, add a First overall Midget pick, and a 3rd overall Euro who on paper is just a replacement for Knotek. Now I now that the 3rd Overall will probably work out to be a star(but now all he is...a draft hopefull. Like it or not a team can not be built by drafting alone not in 2 years. |
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Post by lalalaprise on Mar 1, 2010 21:23:07 GMT -4
Why would they keep a 20 year old Delmas with Theriault-Corbeil there? Sooo should we keep the last place team in the League, add a First overall Midget pick, and a 3rd overall Euro who on paper is just a replacement for Knotek. Now I now that the 3rd Overall will probably work out to be a star(but now all he is...a draft hopefull. Like it or not a team can not be built by drafting alone not in 2 years. That is why trades will be made once Management feels the team is 'close' Gelinas, Desjardins, Lemieux, Andrews, Hannay, Gillard, Bishop have all shown improvement since October...if those kids take another step forward (which im guessing most will considering their age) than Halifax should be much improved without really adding anything via trade. You couple that with Amyot's progress over the last 2 months, the 27 minute a night games Abeltshauser has been logging, the 1st/2nd overall Midget pick, the 3rd overall euro pick, the 4 other picks in the top 37, im guessing 1 of those 4 picks steps in and makes an impact right away. If Clarke is traded, expect an offensive player in return. I dont think Halifax will be a top 8 team next year but they should be in the 10-13 range depending on who they get for Clarke (if he is traded), who they add as their euro (17 year old vs a more polished 18/19 year old) and how the 16 and 17 year olds kid progress over summer. |
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Post by howitzer on Mar 1, 2010 21:54:34 GMT -4
Do you really think they're at the end of the line with Clarke already??
It's well known he's had his troubles this year, but I'd hate like hell for them to give up on him this soon. I suppose, at the end of the day, it depends on his market value.
I get the impression that while they're frustrated with him, they're willing to work with him, and Cam and Bobby are looking at the big picture, with what he can bring next year and as a 19yr old, as opposed to just looking at this season, and the negatives that occured.
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Post by lalalaprise on Mar 1, 2010 22:06:28 GMT -4
Do you really think they're at the end of the line with Clarke already?? It's well known he's had his troubles this year, but I'd hate like hell for them to give up on him this soon. I suppose, at the end of the day, it depends on his market value. I get the impression that while they're frustrated with him, they're willing to work with him, and Cam and Bobby are looking at the big picture, with what he can bring next year and as a 19yr old, as opposed to just looking at this season, and the negatives that occured. It depends on the market. I dont think Halifax will auction him off to the highest bidder, but id have to think they may look at swapping him for some offensive help. But there has to a fit. I think if Halifax realizes they wont get close to what they feel Clarke is worth they will probably just keep him. Bobby Smith eluded to taking 'the best player available, regardless of position and geography' and that to me pretty much means Halifax isnt going to take Burke. Because there are a couple dmen in Quebec who are better talents than Burke. If Halifax picks 1 of these 2 dmen that creates an even larger log jam on the blueline. Amyot, Abeltshauser, Gillard, Hannay, Bishop, Lewis, 16 yo dman plus Clarke...that makes 8. |
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Post by canbeer on Mar 1, 2010 22:46:11 GMT -4
Grant and Amyot I can live with for 20's, but Bety and Dimitruk I can't see worth taking up a 20 spot. When we brought Dimitruk in, I expected him to surpass Amyot and be in line for a 20, but he's just not good enough. And Amyot's game actually picked up the last 20-25 games of the season. As for Bety, he's served us well, but time to move on and upgrade. I thought if he came in this year and could be more productive offensively then he could be in the picture, but he just doesn't bring enough in that regard. He works his ass off, is smart defensively and does the little things well, but we need more offensive leadership out of our 20's next year. Who we get to fill that, along with Grant, who knows, but we definitely can't have next year what we had this year for overagers. I basically see Grant as a lock and Amyot and Delmas are more tradable then Bety and Dimitruk. Corbeil has upside and we've seen some good flashes this year of the goalie that he can be. Add that we need a goalie for 11-12 and don't exactly have a an elite group of '91s makes him a likely 20 year old. I think he has to be the go-to-guy next year. I say with Delmas, unless you get a nice offer at the draft, that you take the risk, hold onto him and if he comes back in September move for a future forward. Sort of like Drumm did with Cousineau last year... isn't there talk that Matheiu or someone is going to complete that deal. For Amyot and Dimitruk I'm not the biggest fan of either but I'm fine with either as a 20 year old. Amyot has been the better and has played well over the last two months. If they can get decent return for him I'd say go for it. With Bety I'd like to see him back and think he'd be good for the team. As for offensively he did ok for an offensively starved team. Grant and Randell may have scored 22 and 17 goals compared to Bety's 13 but Grant and Randell had 9 pp goals each and Bety had 0. Outside of Knotek, Bety and Grant were even for the most even strength goals. Bety was 4th on the team in shots and same for hits. He was second in faceoffs and was actually a little over 50%. He stood up for teammates. Unless they added a top centreman I'd like to see him back. |
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