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Post by reality on Mar 28, 2010 14:19:07 GMT -4
I'm curious how fans would rate Durocher separately as a GM as opposed to a coach?
As a GM, I look at his trade with Lewiston of Sam Finn, Murdock MacLellan and a 5th for Stephen Horyl and Michael Ward as his shining moment, although there was a lot of concern about Finn at the time. It could have been even better if Ward had been dealt last June.
I also thought that acquiring Alex "Kane" Lamontagne for a 5th was a good deal.
I'm not really sold 100% on any of his other deals including the Luke Adam blockbuster.
How do posters feel about Mario the GM going back all the way to the 2008 draft?
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Post by Art Vandelay on Mar 28, 2010 14:38:43 GMT -4
His best draft pick to date was drafting Morgan Ellis in the 3rd round and best trade would be getting Adam for a decent price. Just turns out we traded for him at the wrong time. When we could be going into next season with a 09 first rounder and Nic Chouinard.
Also Mario wasn't the one who traded for Lamontagne, that was Pascal.
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Post by reality on Mar 28, 2010 15:18:21 GMT -4
Topgun, you are right about Lamontagne, that was the season before. I remember that Durocher was part of that decision because he had coached him in Bathurst.
So scratch 1 from the plus side!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 28, 2010 15:30:28 GMT -4
In terms of straight up trades Mario did fine but no big steals, the Ward-Horyl for Finn Lewiston trade had the biggest potential for that until Ward's season ended which made it pretty even...imo anyway.
But that's just about the only area he did fine.
The only player he really overpaid for was Lagace. But he overpaid to the point of insane.
Losing Roy as a future kills us, he was here for 3 seasons and never had a legitimate league championship contender in front of him. And now we don't even lose him in his 4th year to the NHL, we lose him to a league rival and lose him as our biggest trading chip going forward.
On top of that we also lose our 2010 1st and a future 2nd.....and all this for a player who was an absolutely and complete utter failure...In Lagace's rookie season he scored 23 goals and has 62 points in 67 games and in Chicoutimi this season he had 30 goals and 23 assists in 35 games, and there were only 24 30 goal scorers in this entire league I might add.....but here's his final stat line on this Cape Breton contender: 29GP 5G 18A.
That alone is all I need to know about the GM and coach.
The GM brought him in and the coach watched his play regress not only from what he did with another team this year but even from the players rookie season levels 2 seasons ago.
And all this of course led to a post season with 2 home playoff games.
What more needs to be said?
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Post by fivehole on Mar 28, 2010 16:51:00 GMT -4
In terms of straight up trades Mario did fine but no big steals, the Ward-Horyl for Finn Lewiston trade had the biggest potential for that until Ward's season ended which made it pretty even...imo anyway. But that's just about the only area he did fine. The only player he really overpaid for was Lagace. But he overpaid to the point of insane. Losing Roy as a future kills us, he was here for 3 seasons and never had a legitimate league championship contender in front of him. And now we don't even lose him in his 4th year to the NHL, we lose him to a league rival and lose him as our biggest trading chip going forward. On top of that we also lose our 2010 1st and a future 2nd.....and all this for a player who was an absolutely and complete utter failure...In Lagace's rookie season he scored 23 goals and has 62 points in 67 games and in Chicoutimi this season he had 30 goals and 23 assists in 35 games, and there were only 24 30 goal scorers in this entire league I might add.....but here's his final stat line on this Cape Breton contender: 29GP 5G 18A. That alone is all I need to know about the GM and coach. The GM brought him in and the coach watched his play regress not only from what he did with another team this year but even from the players rookie season levels 2 seasons ago. And all this of course led to a post season with 2 home playoff games. What more needs to be said? The reason why the board picked mario is because he was convenient. They need to go shop the markets and find a great coach and a seperate g.m. and start making decisions wisely. The problem is there is a diffusion of investment. too many people. THEY HAVE NEVER TAKEN THE TIME AND LOOKED ALL OVER CANADA FOR A COACH. |
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Post by Clubber Lang on Mar 29, 2010 9:40:49 GMT -4
In terms of straight up trades Mario did fine but no big steals, the Ward-Horyl for Finn Lewiston trade had the biggest potential for that until Ward's season ended which made it pretty even...imo anyway. But that's just about the only area he did fine. The only player he really overpaid for was Lagace. But he overpaid to the point of insane. Losing Roy as a future kills us, he was here for 3 seasons and never had a legitimate league championship contender in front of him. And now we don't even lose him in his 4th year to the NHL, we lose him to a league rival and lose him as our biggest trading chip going forward. On top of that we also lose our 2010 1st and a future 2nd.....and all this for a player who was an absolutely and complete utter failure...In Lagace's rookie season he scored 23 goals and has 62 points in 67 games and in Chicoutimi this season he had 30 goals and 23 assists in 35 games, and there were only 24 30 goal scorers in this entire league I might add.....but here's his final stat line on this Cape Breton contender: 29GP 5G 18A. That alone is all I need to know about the GM and coach. The GM brought him in and the coach watched his play regress not only from what he did with another team this year but even from the players rookie season levels 2 seasons ago. And all this of course led to a post season with 2 home playoff games. What more needs to be said? The reason why the board picked mario is because he was convenient. They need to go shop the markets and find a great coach and a seperate g.m. and start making decisions wisely. The problem is there is a diffusion of investment. too many people. THEY HAVE NEVER TAKEN THE TIME AND LOOKED ALL OVER CANADA FOR A COACH. Why can't they wear both hats? As long as they can do both very well I don't think we need to call to light that they need to be seperate it we can find the right one. I think the Pascal fiasco handcuffed the organization and they made a quick decision based on timing. It would have been a slap in the face for Mario if he didn't get the job as coach based on everyone thinking most of the success was based on taking in Mario as an assistant/associate coach. I think we need to look at filling some gaps via the FA market as well. My question is if 95% of the posters knew that Mario/Eagles should have sold this year then why didn't they? Mario has been in this league for years and I wouldn't think that a person in his position would have made this decision without influence. If this is not the case then he should be removed/dismissed ASAP. There is no way anyone with a hockey brain would have tried to load up to compete as opposed to loading up to win. One Bourque and Deschamps were aquired and Riopel was sent back the flag should have went up and said we are trading assets and are building for 2010-2011 and 2011 - 2012. Adam would have fetched a tonne, MacDougall is a very reliable 3rd line center and could have been packaged with a Brodeur, MacNeil and Roy may have been options for Saint John so they wouldn't have to tie up a 20 year old spot with a goalie. Meilleur would have fetched a decent return as well. Sad, but as stated earlier if Mario had the final decision on the plan of action he should be fired if influence was part of this decision we need a new BOD. |
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Post by hal on Mar 29, 2010 9:54:14 GMT -4
My sources told me the Board left it up to him to Buy or Sell .This is what puzzles me in all this .............why didn't he sell ? The Board would have no choice but to give him an extension , to rebuild with the acquired assets...........but he went the other way ! Somewhere in this mess , Mario's Ego entered into the equation .
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Post by Clubber Lang on Mar 29, 2010 9:57:27 GMT -4
My sources told me the Board left it up to him to Buy or Sell .This is what puzzles me in all this .............why didn't he sell ? The Board would have no choice but to give him an extension , to rebuild with the acquired assets...........but he went the other way ! Somewhere in this mess , Mario's Ego entered into the equation . Well if this is truly the case anything less than being fired is not an option. Watch them come up with a 1 year contract offer. It isn't going to take 1 year to fix this mess. Just watch and see |
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Post by caperguy on Mar 29, 2010 11:53:46 GMT -4
Any other sport, organization or team the result would be heads rolling across the Causeway. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. Give him a few more years to screw up then try someone different - betcha he'll be back.....
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Post by reality on Mar 29, 2010 14:31:13 GMT -4
Maybe, Mario's Crystal Ball was just getting bad reception the day he made his decision?
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Post by chsb on Mar 30, 2010 18:25:32 GMT -4
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Post by hockey1981 on Mar 30, 2010 18:30:42 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 30, 2010 18:39:29 GMT -4
Sweet!!! Long live Mullet Man!!!! ;D |
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Post by reality on Mar 30, 2010 18:51:04 GMT -4
I actually predicted this yesterday on the 2010 Outlook thread on page 3 because of the circumstances of the owners giving Mario the final say. Since they basically supported his decision without any conditions they really couldn't fire him. However, I'm still surprised at the idea of 3 years. I thought maybe a year to make good on statements about being in good shape for the future.
It will be interesting to see how he constructs and develops his "building blocks"!
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Post by hal on Mar 30, 2010 19:13:17 GMT -4
This just keeps getting worse . So he is gonna get a longer deal than any other Eagle Coach ever received ? The Board and Paul should be ashamed if they think there will be no backlash at the gate ,they don't care about the Fans and what they think .............it's a Bunch of Bussinessmen who care only about the Bottom Line and What is convenient .
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