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Post by Clubber Lang on Mar 31, 2010 10:25:14 GMT -4
Reading between the lines in this article I would say that Mario has sold the Board that he was only three games away from going to the Memorial Cup and that he will be contending for the title again in the 2010/11 season and I would bet that he has a new 3 year, contract with a raise, some guy that Mario. Ok so if Mario sold the board on this not only was he insane but so was the board for letting this happen. If and only if the playoff format this year would have been the 1 vs. 16 I may have thought getting to round 3 would be a solid option not a fluke but going up against Moncton in the first round is utterly insane.
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Post by bois on Mar 31, 2010 10:26:11 GMT -4
imagine a Board of Directors caring about the bottom line of a franchise... what a travesty indeed i'm not going to argue over the decision to go for it this year or not and whether that made sense.. what i'm saying is that this is not a mediocre franchise .. this is one of the upper echelon franchises in the Q and one you should be proud of you haven't been mediocre in 7 years.... you will be next year but guess what you would have been even if you sold this year instead of bought.... 1 mediocre year out of 8 is not bad .. not bad at all Jack 1 mediocre year out of 8? You've been at the bottom so long you even forget what mediocre is. 2004 was mediocre. We had championship expectations and won 1 playoff game 2005 was mediocre. 2006 was a bit more then mediocre....we got to beat an expansion team in the playoffs. 07 was good.....but again championship expectations and fall short. 08 was great. 09 was good....again all about expectations....which we fell short of. This year....mediocre again.....championship potential and gone after 1 win. Just because there's never been an expectation in PEI doesn't mean everything is all rosy because of a bunch of regular season wins....it's all about expectations and we've fallen short of them yet again and will be rewarding failure. This is NOT an upper echelon franchise and won't be until there's at least something more then an 03-04 division title hanging in our rink. Oh, and I have no problem with them worrying about their bottom line but I do have a problem when it takes precedent over common sense and the good of the organization. I've yet to see anyone even try to defend what Mario did as the right decision except for the man himself. nope you clearly don't know what mediocre is .... it's average your team has been above average for the entire time that my team has existed here in PEI.... just because you expect a title and don't get it doesn't make the entire season mediocre
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Post by bois on Mar 31, 2010 10:29:13 GMT -4
"But if you think about it, if you went the other way you would have to trade Luke Adam. And do you think the people in the stands would appreciate that? That’s the thing." It's a good thing Moncton didn't adopt that way of thinking. Then they'd never have traded Matt Marquardt to Baie-Comeau, for fear that people in the stands would be pissed. And they'd also never have gotten David Savard from the Drakkar in return, who was arguably the MVP of the playoff series we just saw. Adam showed up in one out of five playoff games - and when he did, it was too late. But hey, at least people in the stands weren't pissed in January. Luke Adam being compared to Matt Marquardt? that's not fair man lol you'd be better off comparing keeping Adam to the year Moncton didn't unload Crawford and Bernier
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 31, 2010 10:29:51 GMT -4
1 mediocre year out of 8? You've been at the bottom so long you even forget what mediocre is. 2004 was mediocre. We had championship expectations and won 1 playoff game 2005 was mediocre. 2006 was a bit more then mediocre....we got to beat an expansion team in the playoffs. 07 was good.....but again championship expectations and fall short. 08 was great. 09 was good....again all about expectations....which we fell short of. This year....mediocre again.....championship potential and gone after 1 win. Just because there's never been an expectation in PEI doesn't mean everything is all rosy because of a bunch of regular season wins....it's all about expectations and we've fallen short of them yet again and will be rewarding failure. This is NOT an upper echelon franchise and won't be until there's at least something more then an 03-04 division title hanging in our rink. Oh, and I have no problem with them worrying about their bottom line but I do have a problem when it takes precedent over common sense and the good of the organization. I've yet to see anyone even try to defend what Mario did as the right decision except for the man himself. nope you clearly don't know what mediocre is .... it's average your team has been above average for the entire time that my team has existed here in PEI.... just because you expect a title and don't get it doesn't make the entire season mediocre When you have a 50 win team with championship hopes and win 1 playoff game then your entire season is mediocre. We've now had 2 of those teams 6 seasons apart with 1 legit contender in the middle who fell just short. Funny thing is for as negative as I can be, I was 100% on board in 07 with loading up.
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Post by bois on Mar 31, 2010 10:36:56 GMT -4
i disagree... very strongly as a matter of fact
you buy your tickets to be entertained and hopefully treated to a winning hockey club..... in 2004 you arguably had the best team in the league ... playoffs were a major disappointment but that season was far from mediocre
this year you were not a championship contender.... your team tried to be a factor..... but realistically you were not expected to win it all.... again only winning one playoff game is disappointing (not a colossal disappointment tho as you were the underdog in the series you lost unlike 04) and again the season is not mediocre as a result of that
you put far too much emphasis on the final result... instead of enjoying the entire process
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 31, 2010 10:39:01 GMT -4
i disagree... very strongly as a matter of fact you buy your tickets to be entertained and hopefully treated to a winning hockey club..... in 2004 you arguably had the best team in the league ... playoffs were a major disappointment but that season was far from mediocre this year you were not a championship contender.... your team tried to be a factor..... but realistically you were not expected to win it all.... again only winning one playoff game is disappointing (not a colossal disappointment tho as you were the underdog in the series you lost unlike 04) and again the season is not mediocre as a result of that you put far too much emphasis on the final result... instead of enjoying the entire process What's the point of the process if not to enjoy the final result? If your final result sucks, then guess what, so did the process. I still haven't seen a good answer to the question that if this team was never a contender, then why the fuck did they trade what they did to bring in assets expiring after this season?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 31, 2010 10:41:45 GMT -4
i disagree... very strongly as a matter of fact you buy your tickets to be entertained and hopefully treated to a winning hockey club..... in 2004 you arguably had the best team in the league ... playoffs were a major disappointment but that season was far from mediocre this year you were not a championship contender.... your team tried to be a factor..... but realistically you were not expected to win it all.... again only winning one playoff game is disappointing (not a colossal disappointment tho as you were the underdog in the series you lost unlike 04) and again the season is not mediocre as a result of that you put far too much emphasis on the final result... instead of enjoying the entire process The memory of all those regular season wins gets tainted pretty quickly if your team crashes and buns in the 1st round winningt only 1 game.
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Post by bois on Mar 31, 2010 10:42:18 GMT -4
i disagree... very strongly as a matter of fact you buy your tickets to be entertained and hopefully treated to a winning hockey club..... in 2004 you arguably had the best team in the league ... playoffs were a major disappointment but that season was far from mediocre this year you were not a championship contender.... your team tried to be a factor..... but realistically you were not expected to win it all.... again only winning one playoff game is disappointing (not a colossal disappointment tho as you were the underdog in the series you lost unlike 04) and again the season is not mediocre as a result of that you put far too much emphasis on the final result... instead of enjoying the entire process What's the point of the process if not to enjoy the final result? If your final result sucks, then guess what, so did the process. I still haven't seen a good answer to the question that if this team was never a contender, then why the fuck did they trade what they did to bring in assets expiring after this season? because they tried to compete and treat their loyal fans to a better product damned if they do damned if they don't... keeps jack bauer posting happily
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 31, 2010 11:10:52 GMT -4
i disagree... very strongly as a matter of fact you buy your tickets to be entertained and hopefully treated to a winning hockey club..... in 2004 you arguably had the best team in the league ... playoffs were a major disappointment but that season was far from mediocre this year you were not a championship contender.... your team tried to be a factor..... but realistically you were not expected to win it all.... again only winning one playoff game is disappointing (not a colossal disappointment tho as you were the underdog in the series you lost unlike 04) and again the season is not mediocre as a result of that you put far too much emphasis on the final result... instead of enjoying the entire process What's the point of the process if not to enjoy the final result? If your final result sucks, then guess what, so did the process. I still haven't seen a good answer to the question that if this team was never a contender, then why the fuck did they trade what they did to bring in assets expiring after this season? Lets look at it this way ... say you love to build houses in the hopes it turns out to be a great home. So you get all the parts you think you need, you build that house and enjoy its construction, you are just putting the finishing touches on it, when suddenly its blown down by the wind. So you you start to build another one, get to the same point, and the wind blows it down again. You still like building houses, but at some point, you`d like for it to not blow down lol. Everytime it blows down, its gets less enjoyable building another one, especially when you know in the back of your mind, it will probably blow down again. Meanwhile, your neighbour takes more time and gets better materials and ends up with a great house, while you are still trying to build one quick and as cheaply as possible with a foreman who doesnt seem to know how to build a house to make it last. Eventually the buyers and workers will grow frustrated, even though they love building houses. That neighbour? Halifax. And we are building the house to end all houses. (ok that last line was a bit of an exageration )
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 31, 2010 11:14:46 GMT -4
What's the point of the process if not to enjoy the final result? If your final result sucks, then guess what, so did the process. I still haven't seen a good answer to the question that if this team was never a contender, then why the fuck did they trade what they did to bring in assets expiring after this season? Lets look at it this way ... say you love to build houses in the hopes it turns out to be a great home. So you get all the parts you think you need, you build that house and enjoy its construction, you are just putting the finishing touches on it, when suddenly its blown down by the wind. So you you start to build another one, get to the same point, and the wind blows it down again. You still like building houses, but at some point, you`d like for it to not blow down lol. Everytime it blows down, its gets less enjoyable building another one, especially when you know in the back of your mind, it will probably blow down again. Meanwhile, your neighbour takes more time and gets better materials and ends up with a great house, while you are still trying to build one quick and as cheaply as possible with a foreman who doesnt seem to know how to build a house to make it last. Eventually the buyers and workers will grow frustrated, even though they love building houses. That neighbour? Halifax. And we are building the house to end all houses. (ok that last line was a bit of an exageration ) Oh, and PEI are also in the neighbourhood... standing around at the foundation with a bunch of sticks, trying to find the nails and are looking at the blueprints upside down. They are envious of the fact that CB keeps getting a house almost built, and even though it falls down over and over, they shouldnt complain
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 31, 2010 11:19:45 GMT -4
Those 2 posts should be post of the year candidates.....hilarious
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Post by Murph on Mar 31, 2010 11:22:17 GMT -4
I gotta say that I agree with Bois on what the definition of "mediocre" is.... however I agree with Jack's assessment, that a contender who falls short, can put out a mediocre season, despite a lot of wins.
Halifax went to the 3rd round in 2008, but not only do I consider that mediocre, but a complete and utter failure. Not only did they sacrifice the future for years to come with their trading, but made poor decisions regarding their deals (like Marchand over Giroux, no help on D etc.).
To me, it mirrors the season the Eagles just had. To say the Eagles just experienced a mediocre year, would be an understatement.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 31, 2010 11:24:44 GMT -4
What's the point of the process if not to enjoy the final result? If your final result sucks, then guess what, so did the process. I still haven't seen a good answer to the question that if this team was never a contender, then why the fuck did they trade what they did to bring in assets expiring after this season? because they tried to compete and treat their loyal fans to a better product damned if they do damned if they don't... keeps jack bauer posting happily But isn't 1/2 a season of "poor" hockey(we don't know that the team would of been worse, just younger and less talented) worth 2 more "good" years? I mean logically if you trade the vets you're getting younger assets and should be stronger next year and into 2012. I just don't buy the damned if they do bullshit, because as I said, i've been 100% behind decision in the past even if they weren't necessarily popular at the time but this time was completely different with a potential 2012 Mem Cup in the mix.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 31, 2010 11:29:17 GMT -4
I gotta say that I agree with Bois on what the definition of "mediocre" is.... however I agree with Jack's assessment, that a contender who falls short, can put out a mediocre season, despite a lot of wins. Halifax went to the 3rd round in 2008, but not only do I consider that mediocre, but a complete and utter failure. Not only did they sacrifice the future for years to come with their trading, but made poor decisions regarding their deals (like Marchand over Giroux, no help on D etc.). To me, it mirrors the season the Eagles just had. To say the Eagles just experienced a mediocre year, would be an understatement. And that might be even somewhat acceptable if someone had to pay for the missed expectations but yet again this franchise is about to reward failure. We ALL gave them a break after 04....Pascal deserved a 2nd chance...Greg Lynch took responsibility and was in failing health....we had a top draft pick to build around and help develop a new attitude. But rewarding similar failure 6 short seasons later with a different, VETERAN, head coach and with a different President....there is no excuse for that. There's too many great hockey minds around the Maritimes and the QMJHL to reward Mario Durocher after this clusterfuck.
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Post by Deer on Mar 31, 2010 11:36:22 GMT -4
"But if you think about it, if you went the other way you would have to trade Luke Adam. And do you think the people in the stands would appreciate that? That’s the thing." It's a good thing Moncton didn't adopt that way of thinking. Then they'd never have traded Matt Marquardt to Baie-Comeau, for fear that people in the stands would be pissed. And they'd also never have gotten David Savard from the Drakkar in return, who was arguably the MVP of the playoff series we just saw. Adam showed up in one out of five playoff games - and when he did, it was too late. But hey, at least people in the stands weren't pissed in January. Luke Adam being compared to Matt Marquardt? that's not fair man lol you'd be better off comparing keeping Adam to the year Moncton didn't unload Crawford and Bernier Lol - wasn't trying to sell it as a direct comparison of the players, I'm well aware that Adam's a much bigger talent than Marquardt ever was. It was the situations that were similar - good but not great teams (Moncton of '07 being the other) that had big but inconsistent 40-goal guys, that were by far the biggest source of their team's offence. There are enough similarities, even if one player was on a totally different level talent-wise.
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