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Post by Deer on May 9, 2010 22:50:28 GMT -4
Ummmmm you forgot General manager also ! I don't care what he did in before his stop here(which is all Paul MacDonald keeps referencing), he's been given full reigns and has really done a poor job which should be reflected over the next 2 years. I noticed that too, that Mario's Q championship in 2002 and WJC experience in 2004 seemed to be Paul MacDonald's most-referenced reason in newspaper articles for having confidence in Mario. Quite honestly, Mario has been getting by on the reputation of those two accomplishments for a half-decade now. What has he done since? One and a half years in Bathurst - finishing dead last the first year, and not even making it through the second year, getting abruptly fired in February despite having one of the top teams in Canada. Then two seasons as the assistant here. Then 08-09 with the Eagles, which was pretty good but could have been a bit better. Then 09-10 with Cape Breton, which was a debacle. I know we finished with 41 wins, but so did the 08-09 "100th Anniversary" Montreal Canadiens - and nobody questions that their season was a complete and utter embarrassment, so I don't see why people deny CB's was last year considering it played out pretty much the exact same. Maybe it's cuz in Montreal they demand success, while in CB some of us are happy with mediocrity. Point being = 2002 and 2004 were a hell of a long time ago. It's about time Mario stops being evaluated on stuff that happened six and eight years ago, and starts being measured on what kind of coach he is NOW. And right now, it looks like he's a guy who went on a nice little ride in the early part of the 00s, but whose performance has been plummetting since.
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Post by SteveUL on May 10, 2010 9:27:55 GMT -4
His QMJHL championship was won at a time when the strategy was to load up with the most offense you can get and play a run and gun game ... not much emphasis on defense. The Q has changed now and the successful teams are strong in both ends of the rink.
His WJC experience was not a gold ... which is a failure in Canada.
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Post by christopher on May 10, 2010 11:03:46 GMT -4
Will people ACTUALLY not go to games next year because Durocher was resigned? I just can't see a die hard fan such as JB, etc not renewing season tickets because of this.
Also, do people think the organization care if 10, 25, 40 (not that I believe that even THAT many people will) stop going to games? I think that not going to games because of this is an ineffective way of dealing with it. Unless you're able to get substantial amounts of people to not go to games, I really don't think the organization will give a shit. Also, in boycotting the team (provided the numbers were big enough, which, I 110% do not think they will be), you're putting the franchise in jeopardy for the coming years. If you want to voice your opinion, why not do productive things such as writing letters to the president or having people sign a petition to have Durocher removed? Take it to the rink, spread your opinion and get people to sign on.
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Post by Deer on May 10, 2010 11:20:29 GMT -4
christopher - I could see some hardcore fans not going to games in protest of the decisions being made, but it wouldn't be that many. As for the casual fans, most of them don't really care - to them it's 34 nights out in the fall and dead of winter, the latter of which is a time where aside from Eagles games and Empire Theatres there's really not much to do in Sydney. Even the casual fans who believe the board is making terrible decisions, will still go to the rink just for the sake of seeing a hockey game, for the social aspect, heck just to get out of the house. In a place like Halifax, where there are tons of other options for the entertainment dollar, the Mooseheads' organization was absolutely hit in the pocketbook for their terrible product over the past two years. Attendance dropped from an average near 8000 in 2008, to something awful around 5000 last year - with tons of crowds in the low 4000s. But that wouldn't happen here in CB, the board knows this, and they take advantage of it to avoid having to shell out more money for top coaches and GMs. As for petitions, emails to the club etc, none of that would catch on substantially - it'd be a waste of anyone's time and energy. Basically, now that the Eagles have made the clear indication that nothing is going to change after last season's underperformance and early exit, all those fans who are dissatisfied will just have to grin and bear it over the next two seasons.
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Post by sharrow on May 10, 2010 11:28:18 GMT -4
Deer, you forgot Mario's time spent in Lewiston 2003/04 where he stayed a year then Mr. Just terminated him and brought in Clem who took the team to the Memorial Cup.
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Post by bois on May 10, 2010 12:21:00 GMT -4
Will people ACTUALLY not go to games next year because Durocher was resigned? I just can't see a die hard fan such as JB, etc not renewing season tickets because of this. Also, do people think the organization care if 10, 25, 40 (not that I believe that even THAT many people will) stop going to games? I think that not going to games because of this is an ineffective way of dealing with it. Unless you're able to get substantial amounts of people to not go to games, I really don't think the organization will give a shit. Also, in boycotting the team (provided the numbers were big enough, which, I 110% do not think they will be), you're putting the franchise in jeopardy for the coming years. If you want to voice your opinion, why not do productive things such as writing letters to the president or having people sign a petition to have Durocher removed? Take it to the rink, spread your opinion and get people to sign on. never thought it'd come to this when you fitrst started posting on here but great post... pretty well bang on with it all except the whole petition thing.... nothing terribly productive about that actually
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 10, 2010 15:32:47 GMT -4
Will people ACTUALLY not go to games next year because Durocher was resigned? I just can't see a die hard fan such as JB, etc not renewing season tickets because of this. Also, do people think the organization care if 10, 25, 40 (not that I believe that even THAT many people will) stop going to games? I think that not going to games because of this is an ineffective way of dealing with it. Unless you're able to get substantial amounts of people to not go to games, I really don't think the organization will give a shit. Also, in boycotting the team (provided the numbers were big enough, which, I 110% do not think they will be), you're putting the franchise in jeopardy for the coming years. If you want to voice your opinion, why not do productive things such as writing letters to the president or having people sign a petition to have Durocher removed? Take it to the rink, spread your opinion and get people to sign on. There's pretty much a 0% chance that I fork over $400 for a season ticket to support this organization...now that has as much to do with my own personal situation as it does the teams situation but I guarantee you i'd find the cash for something I was in favor of and excited for. And nothing the fans do will put this team in jeopardy, as long as Paul MacDonald is in charge then that is why things are in jeopardy....just like Savard in PEI who refuses to hire a hockey mind to run his team. You can't blame the fans for everything, especially when you've spent the last few years complimenting their intelligence and how knowledgeable of the league they've become.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 10, 2010 15:43:56 GMT -4
christopher - I could see some hardcore fans not going to games in protest of the decisions being made, but it wouldn't be that many. As for the casual fans, most of them don't really care - to them it's 34 nights out in the fall and dead of winter, the latter of which is a time where aside from Eagles games and Empire Theatres there's really not much to do in Sydney. Even the casual fans who believe the board is making terrible decisions, will still go to the rink just for the sake of seeing a hockey game, for the social aspect, heck just to get out of the house. In a place like Halifax, where there are tons of other options for the entertainment dollar, the Mooseheads' organization was absolutely hit in the pocketbook for their terrible product over the past two years. Attendance dropped from an average near 8000 in 2008, to something awful around 5000 last year - with tons of crowds in the low 4000s. But that wouldn't happen here in CB, the board knows this, and they take advantage of it to avoid having to shell out more money for top coaches and GMs. As for petitions, emails to the club etc, none of that would catch on substantially - it'd be a waste of anyone's time and energy. Basically, now that the Eagles have made the clear indication that nothing is going to change after last season's underperformance and early exit, all those fans who are dissatisfied will just have to grin and bear it over the next two seasons. And if we don't grin and bear it, and at the end of that 2nd season we're seeing 2200 average attendances....who will get the blame for the teams poor decisions? The fans for not supporting them. You can't win as a fan of this team right now because you're expected to basically ignore everything the organization preached from June 04 till June 08 and just buy into this plan that has 'EPIC FAIL' as it's title page.
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Post by reality on May 10, 2010 17:30:14 GMT -4
The one positive about this whole dragged out 7 month ordeal is that almost all the posters on this board finally have found something that they can strongly agree on, as painful as it seems!
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Post by christopher on May 10, 2010 18:38:57 GMT -4
I agree on every level with the exception of the fact that I can't see an attendance drop happening at all. Maybe 5-15 people, worst case scenario.
As deer pointed out, at the best of times (ie - summer), there's only a handful of things to do on this island. As fall approaches and into winter, its Empire Theatres to overpay to see a movie (usually runs me about $40-50 by the time I pay for me and my fiance's tickets and food) or go see some decent hockey for $28. Even if the Eagles went 0-34 next year, I'd still feel justified in paying for my season tickets.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2010 19:59:58 GMT -4
I know what you are saying Christopher. I have not missed many Moose games the last two years, and at times it has been painfull. But they are my team and if you have read a few threads on the Moose board Smith/Russell has been bashed as much as Durocher/MacDonald on your board.
It's live sports, its good hockey and it is a night out. You get to see some World Junior Players and some future NHL players/stars. I , as most of us (all) on this board agree with me.
Obviously about 2,500 people in Halifax don't agree with me. I bet there will be some in Sydney who feel like me.....and some who feel like the other 2,500.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 10, 2010 20:41:11 GMT -4
I agree on every level with the exception of the fact that I can't see an attendance drop happening at all. Maybe 5-15 people, worst case scenario. As deer pointed out, at the best of times (ie - summer), there's only a handful of things to do on this island. As fall approaches and into winter, its Empire Theatres to overpay to see a movie (usually runs me about $40-50 by the time I pay for me and my fiance's tickets and food) or go see some decent hockey for $28. Even if the Eagles went 0-34 next year, I'd still feel justified in paying for my season tickets. Why do you only feed her at the movies?
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Post by hfxfan09 on May 10, 2010 22:46:27 GMT -4
I agree with both of you I feel justified in getting season tickets(even if for this season its the 15 pack) because its a fun night out with friends and indeed much cheaper than going to the movies which I seldom do now.
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Post by Deer on May 10, 2010 22:56:08 GMT -4
christopher - I could see some hardcore fans not going to games in protest of the decisions being made, but it wouldn't be that many. As for the casual fans, most of them don't really care - to them it's 34 nights out in the fall and dead of winter, the latter of which is a time where aside from Eagles games and Empire Theatres there's really not much to do in Sydney. Even the casual fans who believe the board is making terrible decisions, will still go to the rink just for the sake of seeing a hockey game, for the social aspect, heck just to get out of the house. In a place like Halifax, where there are tons of other options for the entertainment dollar, the Mooseheads' organization was absolutely hit in the pocketbook for their terrible product over the past two years. Attendance dropped from an average near 8000 in 2008, to something awful around 5000 last year - with tons of crowds in the low 4000s. But that wouldn't happen here in CB, the board knows this, and they take advantage of it to avoid having to shell out more money for top coaches and GMs. As for petitions, emails to the club etc, none of that would catch on substantially - it'd be a waste of anyone's time and energy. Basically, now that the Eagles have made the clear indication that nothing is going to change after last season's underperformance and early exit, all those fans who are dissatisfied will just have to grin and bear it over the next two seasons. You can't win as a fan of this team right now because you're expected to basically ignore everything the organization preached from June 04 till June 08 and just buy into this plan that has 'EPIC FAIL' as it's title page. My question is, what was wrong with the way things were going from June 04 to June 08? The organization preached it, the fans bought it, and the fans loved it. They were highly entertained 95+% of nights at the rink, they identified intimately with the players and the team, they were extremely proud to call themselves Eagles fans. Everybody from the board of directors to the newest fans in the stands was loving the ride the way things were going - not sure why things changed. Some may say that nothing changed, but nobody who watched last year's team could say that with a straight face.
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