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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 14, 2010 8:08:47 GMT -4
Jr A. defenceman as a 20yr old on a rebuilding club? This can only turn out well. Anyone remember Francois Senez? ;D If you do, you're a true contender at Eagles trivia any day of the week. Came from RPI with much hype and ended up in Jr.A
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 14, 2010 12:36:08 GMT -4
He was a former Red Wings pick I think as well.
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Post by Deer on Aug 14, 2010 12:56:55 GMT -4
Just read Palov's article on Jake Guindon. It's hard to say what this guy is likely to bring. Some guys are studs at the Jr A level but it never translates to major junior - see a guy like Matt Snow, who was a slick scorer with the Halifax Wolverines but couldn't stick as a 19 yo with an unbelievably weak 08-09 Halifax Mooseheads team. Others are very solid players at the Jr A level and their game translates great to major junior, even better than most expect. Think of Judique boy Andrew MacDonald who was a star in Jr A, but even better in the Q with the Moncton Wildcats. Or even closer to home, look at Stephen Horyl - a top 10 player in the MJAHL who didn't miss a beat when he tried the major junior game. Hard to say which category this Jake Guindon will fall into. I like the pick much better now that I hear he's more of a defenceman than a forward. As much as we're croaking for depth up front more than we are on the back end, our blueline needs a veteran presence more than our forward corps does. And quite obviously, 37 points in 46 games looks a ton better from a defenceman than it does from a forward! Also like the fact he was captain last year in Campbellton. This Eagles team desperately needs to get back to its roots of building on LEADER type players instead of just bringing "whomever" into the fold that seems convenient at the moment. As much as the fact he was captain is great, I'm not sure I like the fact he was in Campbellton - has their system done anything even remotely of note the past few years? Someone with more JA knowledge than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked that franchise seemed like a bit of a desolate wasteland. Edit: I just checked, and Campbellton finished 6-43 last year..... and 6-47 the year before. Wow - far more ghastly than I thought. Should be interesting to see this guy at camp.... if it's not, it's probably a bad sign. But with our options as the third 20-year-old so weak going in, I guess it doesn't hurt to at least throw some options at the wall and see what sticks.
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Post by Deer on Aug 14, 2010 12:57:30 GMT -4
He was a former Red Wings pick I think as well. That he was. One of the last picks in either the 01 or 02 draft.
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Post by Score on Aug 14, 2010 14:41:37 GMT -4
I'm not sure I like the fact he was in Campbellton - has their system done anything even remotely of note the past few years? Someone with more JA knowledge than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked that franchise seemed like a bit of a desolate wasteland. Edit: I just checked, and Campbellton finished 6-43 last year..... and 6-47 the year before. Wow - far more ghastly than I thought. The Campbellton franchise has been a mess on and off the ice the past while. From what I hear though, Jake is a good character kid who shouldn't hurt the team any.
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Post by lalalaprise on Aug 14, 2010 16:09:41 GMT -4
Just read Palov's article on Jake Guindon. It's hard to say what this guy is likely to bring. Some guys are studs at the Jr A level but it never translates to major junior - see a guy like Matt Snow, who was a slick scorer with the Halifax Wolverines but couldn't stick as a 19 yo with an unbelievably weak 08-09 Halifax Mooseheads team. Others are very solid players at the Jr A level and their game translates great to major junior, even better than most expect. Think of Judique boy Andrew MacDonald who was a star in Jr A, but even better in the Q with the Moncton Wildcats. Or even closer to home, look at Stephen Horyl - a top 10 player in the MJAHL who didn't miss a beat when he tried the major junior game. Hard to say which category this Jake Guindon will fall into. I like the pick much better now that I hear he's more of a defenceman than a forward. As much as we're croaking for depth up front more than we are on the back end, our blueline needs a veteran presence more than our forward corps does. And quite obviously, 37 points in 46 games looks a ton better from a defenceman than it does from a forward! Also like the fact he was captain last year in Campbellton. This Eagles team desperately needs to get back to its roots of building on LEADER type players instead of just bringing "whomever" into the fold that seems convenient at the moment. As much as the fact he was captain is great, I'm not sure I like the fact he was in Campbellton - has their system done anything even remotely of note the past few years? Someone with more JA knowledge than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked that franchise seemed like a bit of a desolate wasteland. Edit: I just checked, and Campbellton finished 6-43 last year..... and 6-47 the year before. Wow - far more ghastly than I thought. Should be interesting to see this guy at camp.... if it's not, it's probably a bad sign. But with our options as the third 20-year-old so weak going in, I guess it doesn't hurt to at least throw some options at the wall and see what sticks. Andrew MacDonald and Stephen Horyl were more than just "solid" Jr A players... I watched Guindon once...he definitely stood out as a guy who probably should have had a chance to play Major Junior, which he did looking at his Hockeydb profile. He has size, moves well and has good enough skills to play in the Q...he is a free pick up, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Post by hal on Aug 14, 2010 16:38:07 GMT -4
What will make this all the more cloudy is when Lagace comes back ! He says he will not play in the ECHL and he sure as hell is not AHL calibre . It will be a Piscachek scenario where Mario will paint such a positive spin all the while working overtime to come up with a creative way to screw it all up !
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Post by looneytunes on Aug 15, 2010 15:44:12 GMT -4
Edit: I just checked, and Campbellton finished 6-43 last year..... and 6-47 the year before. Wow - far more ghastly than I thought. Should be interesting to see this guy at camp.... if it's not, it's probably a bad sign. But with our options as the third 20-year-old so weak going in, I guess it doesn't hurt to at least throw some options at the wall and see what sticks. Well , I guess this year will be no different for him as in terms of winning ;D
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Post by looneytunes on Aug 15, 2010 15:46:50 GMT -4
What will make this all the more cloudy is when Lagace comes back ! He says he will not play in the ECHL and he sure as hell is not AHL calibre . It will be a Piscachek scenario where Mario will paint such a positive spin all the while working overtime to come up with a creative way to screw it all up ! Yep......... Just another draft pick to Chicoutimi ......
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Post by Deer on Aug 15, 2010 21:07:00 GMT -4
What will make this all the more cloudy is when Lagace comes back ! He says he will not play in the ECHL and he sure as hell is not AHL calibre . It will be a Piscachek scenario where Mario will paint such a positive spin all the while working overtime to come up with a creative way to screw it all up ! In yesterday's Post, Mario said Lagace told him he's pretty much not planning on attending camp and is turning the page toward the pro route. Nothing I saw from Lagace last year made me think he's in any way ready for the pro game. But the main thing is that Lagace didn't sound interested in coming back to CB. And I don't blame him considering what a disastrous experience he had here (who's to blame for that disaster is debatable, definitely multiple people possibly himself included, but that's not the point really). So why the hell should we be interested in having a guy back who doesn't sound like he even wants to be here? After the 04 disaster, P Vincent immediately said he had no interest in having Michael Tessier as an overager. He recognized a failed experiment and was happy to cut his losses. That's the attitude the Eagles should have with Lagace - the experiment was awful, seemed like a miserable experience for all, why even think about prolonging the agony? PS - In using the Tessier comparison, I'm not at all implying I've heard anything to suggest that Lagace was a dressing room cancer like Tessier was. Just clarifying so nobody reads between lines that aren't there.
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Post by christopher on Aug 16, 2010 8:30:37 GMT -4
Rather than search through old threads or the Q site, can someone refresh my memory. What do we give up if Legace comes back as a 20yo? 1st or 2nd in 11?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 16, 2010 9:40:31 GMT -4
Rather than search through old threads or the Q site, can someone refresh my memory. What do we give up if Legace comes back as a 20yo? 1st or 2nd in 11? Thr rumor at the time was a 2011 1st....and as of right now I don't think we even own our own 2011 1st so it wouldn't shock me if we owe them nothing considering the price we already paid.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 16, 2010 16:35:52 GMT -4
Last I heard it was a 2nd we would give up if he returned not a 1st.
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Post by DropThePuck on Aug 17, 2010 10:10:47 GMT -4
The Cats may have a quality 20 year old for Mario to trade for. Given Mario's track record on trades, the Cats could get some good return! It would appear as though we will keep Owen, Jodoin. So that leaves Petterson, Stephens and Tessier as the third. Any one of those guys would be an upgrade over Bernard or Bourgeois.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 17, 2010 10:28:48 GMT -4
The Cats may have a quality 20 year old for Mario to trade for. Given Mario's track record on trades, the Cats could get some good return! It would appear as though we will keep Owen, Jodoin. So that leaves Petterson, Stephens and Tessier as the third. Any one of those guys would be an upgrade over Bernard or Bourgeois. I'd argue that 2 of the 3 could be our best 20 period
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