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Post by Murph on Aug 29, 2010 18:19:22 GMT -4
Why isn't Ciampini in the rotation? Even touted rookies in the past have had their share of scratches. I would say he and Boudreau will dress much more than the others. Figure Frk doesn't play until October..... injuries and suspensions.... and almost all the guys will get a good amount of icetime between the beginning of the year and the trade period. It's only a problem after the trade period.... but Halifax then has time to resolve it. Perhaps Grant gets moved.... perhaps one or two guys suffer long term injuries.... Even with all those bodies, it's only two guys sitting. If you want to assume there's at least 1 player hurt at all times, then the group of Ryan, Souligny and Turbide still plays 2 out of 3 games (which sees Ciampini and Boudreau dress as regulars) Because I feel he will play closer to 66 games than 33....much closer...he is going to play over 55. I dont see Cam scratching him at all to be honest. Also that is assuming MacDonald is cut...which he isnt yet, so Halifax may go with 15 forwards to start with. Things happen over the course of the season and guys generally play more and I dont have an issue keeping Ryan...if a guy like Souligny was sent to Jr A. I dont see a point in keeping both, but thats me. Even if he's only scratched 10 games, that's 5 each for Souligny and Ryan.... plus even if MacDonald is kept, either he, or somebody else will go once Frk is cleared.... whom you have in your line up. There won't be 15 to start the year, it'll be 14 because there is no Frk. Bernier played 49 games at 16, at maybe 6 minutes per game. Then came back and scored 30 at 17. It's not the end of the world if Ryan only gets 40-45 games, plus 100 practises or so. How many games will he get with Notre Dame? How many practises?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 18:47:30 GMT -4
Because I feel he will play closer to 66 games than 33....much closer...he is going to play over 55. I dont see Cam scratching him at all to be honest. Also that is assuming MacDonald is cut...which he isnt yet, so Halifax may go with 15 forwards to start with. Things happen over the course of the season and guys generally play more and I dont have an issue keeping Ryan...if a guy like Souligny was sent to Jr A. I dont see a point in keeping both, but thats me. Even if he's only scratched 10 games, that's 5 each for Souligny and Ryan.... plus even if MacDonald is kept, either he, or somebody else will go once Frk is cleared.... whom you have in your line up. There won't be 15 to start the year, it'll be 14 because there is no Frk. Bernier played 49 games at 16, at maybe 6 minutes per game. Then came back and scored 30 at 17. It's not the end of the world if Ryan only gets 40-45 games, plus 100 practises or so. How many games will he get with Notre Dame? How many practises? Ryan will only get about 45 games with Notre Dame but he will be getting first line minutes; he would be getting fourth line minutes here. Bernier also played with Thatcher Bell and Brandon Benedict his 17 year old season- maybe he would be in the NHL now if Marcel had have sent him back to midget at 16 instead of having him in the press box or the bench most of the time.
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Post by lalalaprise on Aug 29, 2010 20:00:19 GMT -4
Because I feel he will play closer to 66 games than 33....much closer...he is going to play over 55. I dont see Cam scratching him at all to be honest. Also that is assuming MacDonald is cut...which he isnt yet, so Halifax may go with 15 forwards to start with. Things happen over the course of the season and guys generally play more and I dont have an issue keeping Ryan...if a guy like Souligny was sent to Jr A. I dont see a point in keeping both, but thats me. Even if he's only scratched 10 games, that's 5 each for Souligny and Ryan.... plus even if MacDonald is kept, either he, or somebody else will go once Frk is cleared.... whom you have in your line up. There won't be 15 to start the year, it'll be 14 because there is no Frk. Bernier played 49 games at 16, at maybe 6 minutes per game. Then came back and scored 30 at 17. It's not the end of the world if Ryan only gets 40-45 games, plus 100 practises or so. How many games will he get with Notre Dame? How many practises? But like I said in a different thread...who knows how good guys like Bernier and Hillier COULD have been if they played regular at 16. Yeah they turned out to be good players, but they could have been better and we will truly never know. Notre Dame players are on the ice 6 times a week I believe. Did playing at Notre Dame for 2 years hurt Jaiden Schwarz?? Like I said, Ryan deserves to make the team, he is playing well, but if he is goign to play 40 games and get 4th line icetime he is better off being somewhere else. And you say Halifax will start with 14 forwards...but they have made a commitment to Ryan and Souligny so even if Frk were to show up and play in October they arent sending either down so they may end up with 15... Also here is something to ponder...would you rather keep Ryan and have him play 40 games with 4th line ice and send MacDonald to Jr A or would you rather keep MacDonald around and send Ryan back to Notre Dame?? These arent easy decisions.
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Post by howitzer on Aug 29, 2010 20:21:07 GMT -4
Cam et al have some tough decisions to make.
This season will be fun. Lots of youth and potential in the organization now. Finally we have light at the end of the tunnel. When was the last time we had young talents the likes of Ciampini and Frk (eventually, we hope) on the roster. Those guys have the potential to be superstars in the Q and top picks for the NHL draft.
Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but it will be very interesting how the shape and make-up of this team will change this season and next. In addition to finally having some legit veteran Q talent to dangle in trades this year, we already have 7 picks in the top 5 rounds sitting in the cupboard for next years draft. The re-build was long and painful, but this season and next, and even years beyond that, will show it actually was all worth it.
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Post by defresh101 on Aug 29, 2010 21:07:48 GMT -4
The future has lots of potential and promise. Still I am feeling abit negative and nervous what the future will hold. I know its just the pre season and we only won 1 game, and the Eagles are suppose to be soooooooo bad just beat us twice. Now I know we are only preseason so rather not being jumped on just yet that I am dissing this team. Only thing that worries me is we still dont have at least 1 player that has really stepped up to be a scoring machine. Over the years we have had Nagy, King, Voracek, Benedict, Bell, Brine and the list goes on of players you know could light it up in a pinch. Who at the moment do we have to do that....a player we can rely on. Luca I am sure will but right now is a rookie and all you can really base that on is his midget past. Only 2 guys I can say are Grant and Gelinas, and that is really pushing it as putting them in lighting up the scoreboard. I know we have talent and I most likely will be proven wrong but until I see some high end scoring I will not say the rebuild is over and the happy days have begun.
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Post by howitzer on Aug 29, 2010 21:34:51 GMT -4
The future has lots of potential and promise. Still I am feeling abit negative and nervous what the future will hold. I know its just the pre season and we only won 1 game, and the Eagles are suppose to be soooooooo bad just beat us twice. Now I know we are only preseason so rather not being jumped on just yet that I am dissing this team. Only thing that worries me is we still dont have at least 1 player that has really stepped up to be a scoring machine. Over the years we have had Nagy, King, Voracek, Benedict, Bell, Brine and the list goes on of players you know could light it up in a pinch. Who at the moment do we have to do that....a player we can rely on. Luca I am sure will but right now is a rookie and all you can really base that on is his midget past. Only 2 guys I can say are Grant and Gelinas, and that is really pushing it as putting them in lighting up the scoreboard. I know we have talent and I most likely will be proven wrong but until I see some high end scoring I will not say the rebuild is over and the happy days have begun. No, you're right, we don't have a "go-to" big time scorer this season. But at least we have guys who could fill that role in the years to come. As nice as it is to have guys like that every year, reality is, it just doesn't happen. If you want to be considered a contender, you need a couple big time scorers up front, without a doubt. But we're not concerned with contending right now. We just need to continue to add to the young core of the team, and groom and develop them. The offense will come. Scoring and generating chances 5 on 5 will still be tough this season IMO. I'm sure we'll have good stretches, but we'll be inconsistant and have droughts as well. I think the PP will be a bright spot. We've returned all of out PP d-men who all have decent/good puck skills and all can shot the puck. Plus we've added guys like Ashley, Frk, Boudreau, Ciampini to the mix up front....guys who will benefit greatly with more space to make plays.
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Post by melly on Aug 30, 2010 9:35:20 GMT -4
The future has lots of potential and promise. Still I am feeling abit negative and nervous what the future will hold. I know its just the pre season and we only won 1 game, and the Eagles are suppose to be soooooooo bad just beat us twice. Now I know we are only preseason so rather not being jumped on just yet that I am dissing this team. Only thing that worries me is we still dont have at least 1 player that has really stepped up to be a scoring machine. Over the years we have had Nagy, King, Voracek, Benedict, Bell, Brine and the list goes on of players you know could light it up in a pinch. Who at the moment do we have to do that....a player we can rely on. Luca I am sure will but right now is a rookie and all you can really base that on is his midget past. Only 2 guys I can say are Grant and Gelinas, and that is really pushing it as putting them in lighting up the scoreboard. I know we have talent and I most likely will be proven wrong but until I see some high end scoring I will not say the rebuild is over and the happy days have begun. I was feeling o.k. after leaving the rink on Sat night. That was pretty much the CB team, and that wasn't the final Moose team. We only gave up 1 regulation goal, which is a postive, I thought the D played pretty well what with partner combinations etc... Couple that with the fact the Lacerte played very well in nets, and I am not too worried. Compared with last year at this time, this year you can just see the potential oozing out of some of these kids. I am very optimistic to see the development once these kids get some Q level ice time under their belts.
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