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Post by eastcoastfan on Oct 26, 2010 10:41:28 GMT -4
Gillard gets smoked at least once every game. The kid either needs to learn how to take a hit, or start positioning himself better before he ends up in a wheelchair. How can one player get hit from behind so often? That's what worries me about Gillard too. He does seem to take a big hit into the boards almost every game. Anyone hear his status for tomorrow night?
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Post by BenCurtis on Oct 26, 2010 11:31:52 GMT -4
Interesting that Clarke leads the league in both penalty minutes, and minor penalties. And some here say he's not taking dumb ones anymore. Well let me ask you, are the ones that have him leading the league of the "smart" variety? Gillard gets smoked at least once every game. The kid either needs to learn how to take a hit, or start positioning himself better before he ends up in a wheelchair. How can one player get hit from behind so often? To play devil's advocate with Clarke and his penalties. I find he's on a very, very short leash with the officials. He'll get called on the smallest of plays where the ref would normally let it slide and he doesn't seem to get any breaks going the other way when something happens to him. I'm not saying it's an acceptable excuse for leading the league in minor penalties, he has to deal with it. It's just an observation I've made.
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Post by justmy02 on Oct 26, 2010 11:45:40 GMT -4
was the 2nd "yes" to convince yourself? No. No it wasn't. We will make the playoffs. ;D ;D
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Post by maddie on Oct 26, 2010 12:04:12 GMT -4
Whats up with HANNAY instead of working hard and smart he has done the opposite and now appears headed for the Dieppe Commandos instead of the Vancouver Canucks. Come on Sawyer quit acting like a pylon you are losing your job to Lewis and soon you will be sitting watching the game like me followed by a trip to Dieppe.
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Post by Gman on Oct 26, 2010 12:57:04 GMT -4
Interesting that Clarke leads the league in both penalty minutes, and minor penalties. And some here say he's not taking dumb ones anymore. Well let me ask you, are the ones that have him leading the league of the "smart" variety? Gillard gets smoked at least once every game. The kid either needs to learn how to take a hit, or start positioning himself better before he ends up in a wheelchair. How can one player get hit from behind so often? To play devil's advocate with Clarke and his penalties. I find he's on a very, very short leash with the officials. He'll get called on the smallest of plays where the ref would normally let it slide and he doesn't seem to get any breaks going the other way when something happens to him. I'm not saying it's an acceptable excuse for leading the league in minor penalties, he has to deal with it. It's just an observation I've made. I can't agree or disagree because I've only witnessed one game live, but I think you're right. It seems like guys can do whatever they want to Clarke and never get penalized, yet no matter what he does, the ref's arm is up (from listening to the radio commentary). I'm shocked Cam hasn't had discussions with the officials about that though, or maybe he has. It's the kind of thing that if you don't complain, it won't change.
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Post by justmy02 on Oct 26, 2010 13:32:17 GMT -4
To play devil's advocate with Clarke and his penalties. I find he's on a very, very short leash with the officials. He'll get called on the smallest of plays where the ref would normally let it slide and he doesn't seem to get any breaks going the other way when something happens to him. I'm not saying it's an acceptable excuse for leading the league in minor penalties, he has to deal with it. It's just an observation I've made. I can't agree or disagree because I've only witnessed one game live, but I think you're right. It seems like guys can do whatever they want to Clarke and never get penalized, yet no matter what he does, the ref's arm is up (from listening to the radio commentary). I'm shocked Cam hasn't had discussions with the officials about that though, or maybe he has. It's the kind of thing that if you don't complain, it won't change. sometimes complaining about the officiating can have a negative effect as well.
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Post by elementz on Oct 26, 2010 14:09:43 GMT -4
To play devil's advocate with Clarke and his penalties. I find he's on a very, very short leash with the officials. He'll get called on the smallest of plays where the ref would normally let it slide and he doesn't seem to get any breaks going the other way when something happens to him. I'm not saying it's an acceptable excuse for leading the league in minor penalties, he has to deal with it. It's just an observation I've made. I can't agree or disagree because I've only witnessed one game live, but I think you're right. It seems like guys can do whatever they want to Clarke and never get penalized, yet no matter what he does, the ref's arm is up (from listening to the radio commentary). I'm shocked Cam hasn't had discussions with the officials about that though, or maybe he has. It's the kind of thing that if you don't complain, it won't change. Starting to sounds like Dogs fans and Mike Thomas...or Bathurst fans with Arseneau...
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Post by Gman on Oct 26, 2010 14:20:16 GMT -4
I can't agree or disagree because I've only witnessed one game live, but I think you're right. It seems like guys can do whatever they want to Clarke and never get penalized, yet no matter what he does, the ref's arm is up (from listening to the radio commentary). I'm shocked Cam hasn't had discussions with the officials about that though, or maybe he has. It's the kind of thing that if you don't complain, it won't change. Starting to sounds like Dogs fans and Mike Thomas...or Bathurst fans with Arseneau... Well, like I said, I've only seen one game, and listened to several others, so I'm by no means a good source for this. But if people are claiming Clarke is more behaved, and taking fewer stupid penatlies, yet he leads the league in minors, something is up. The refs -likely- just dont give him any slack. He isn't the first, and won't be the last player with a "reputation".
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Post by Reesor on Oct 26, 2010 14:22:03 GMT -4
It's just the type of player Clarke is. He's that Avery'esque-type agitator. Avery takes his fair share of dumb penalties too. Many of them at terrible times of the game. Comes with the territory. I'm sure some calls against Clarke are due to his reputation, but I'm also sure that he's not the first to have that distinction, and he won't be the last. As Elementz mentioned, Mike Thomas is in the same boat. On another note, turns out Desmarais broke Leduc's nose in that fight Friday night against Cape Breton. twitter.com/rinkrant I wonder how many of these broken noses are cause by players punching the visor and having it pop back in the player's face?
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 26, 2010 15:04:28 GMT -4
It's just the type of player Clarke is. He's that Avery'esque-type agitator. Avery takes his fair share of dumb penalties too. Many of them at terrible times of the game. Comes with the territory. I'm sure some calls against Clarke are due to his reputation, but I'm also sure that he's not the first to have that distinction, and he won't be the last. As Elementz mentioned, Mike Thomas is in the same boat. On another note, turns out Desmarais broke Leduc's nose in that fight Friday night against Cape Breton. twitter.com/rinkrant I wonder how many of these broken noses are cause by players punching the visor and having it pop back in the player's face? But Clarke last year at times looked almost disinterested in the actual game at times and more interested in roughing someone up or trashtalking. This season he has played much longer periods of just good hockey. He will get penalties... he will take bad ones, he will do a few things that might earn a suspension... but I find he has been more noticeable for his hockey rather than the other stuff this year so far. Regarding my thought he was playing great.... offensively he hasnt been as good as I hoped, but behavior wise he`s been good, so it balanced out for me lol...
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Post by mikeb on Oct 27, 2010 7:32:04 GMT -4
I can't agree or disagree because I've only witnessed one game live, but I think you're right. It seems like guys can do whatever they want to Clarke and never get penalized, yet no matter what he does, the ref's arm is up (from listening to the radio commentary). I'm shocked Cam hasn't had discussions with the officials about that though, or maybe he has. It's the kind of thing that if you don't complain, it won't change. Starting to sounds like Dogs fans and Mike Thomas...or Bathurst fans with Arseneau... Sounds like unreasonable Dogs ands and unreasonable Bathurst fans you should have said. Although Arseneau has surprised me this year. Last year I thought he should have been tossed from the league for his dangerous hits from behind. He's not being anywhere near as stupid and dangerous this year. Having said that he's a terrible 1st round pick. Clarke deserved every penalty he got in Bathurst the last time they played there. One penalty in particular comes to mind. Hacking Malouin in the calf with the ref standing right there while Malouin was skating away was a dumb penalty. Both Malouin and Clarke were pushing at each other before the penalty and then Malouin turned to skate down the ice to follow the play and Clarke two handed him in the calf in open ice with the ref about 10 feet away watching him. I think that qualifies as a dumb penalty.
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Post by ballzz on Oct 27, 2010 21:32:15 GMT -4
Starting to sounds like Dogs fans and Mike Thomas...or Bathurst fans with Arseneau... Sounds like unreasonable Dogs ands and unreasonable Bathurst fans you should have said. Although Arseneau has surprised me this year. Last year I thought he should have been tossed from the league for his dangerous hits from behind. He's not being anywhere near as stupid and dangerous this year. Having said that he's a terrible 1st round pick. Clarke deserved every penalty he got in Bathurst the last time they played there. One penalty in particular comes to mind. Hacking Malouin in the calf with the ref standing right there while Malouin was skating away was a dumb penalty. Both Malouin and Clarke were pushing at each other before the penalty and then Malouin turned to skate down the ice to follow the play and Clarke two handed him in the calf in open ice with the ref about 10 feet away watching him. I think that qualifies as a dumb penalty. Clarke was setting him up for the Halifax game. Never seen another team's captain so undisciplined.
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Post by mikeb on Oct 28, 2010 7:18:32 GMT -4
Sounds like unreasonable Dogs ands and unreasonable Bathurst fans you should have said. Although Arseneau has surprised me this year. Last year I thought he should have been tossed from the league for his dangerous hits from behind. He's not being anywhere near as stupid and dangerous this year. Having said that he's a terrible 1st round pick. Clarke deserved every penalty he got in Bathurst the last time they played there. One penalty in particular comes to mind. Hacking Malouin in the calf with the ref standing right there while Malouin was skating away was a dumb penalty. Both Malouin and Clarke were pushing at each other before the penalty and then Malouin turned to skate down the ice to follow the play and Clarke two handed him in the calf in open ice with the ref about 10 feet away watching him. I think that qualifies as a dumb penalty. Clarke was setting him up for the Halifax game. Never seen another team's captain so undisciplined. Can't disagree with that. Malouin probably thinks he's being a good captain (or maybe that's what Choules wanted him to do) but he's over the line a lot of times trying to be a leader by playing tough guy.
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Post by Reesor on Dec 13, 2010 8:42:39 GMT -4
Well here we are. 1/2 way through the season. How did we fare over the last 17 games? Overall Record: 10-23-0-1 (6th in Maritime Division and 16th overall (Last playoff spot: 16th out of 18 teams). Record over last 17 games: 5-12-0-0. Predicted record: 7-9-0-1. Top Point Producer: Marty Frk (33GP 11G 20A 31Pts) Stats: cluster.leaguestat.com/download.php?client_code=lhjmq&file_path=daily-report/daily-report.htmlA look back at the 2nd quarter: Was a pretty boring 2nd quarter of the season. All we saw was our Coach get demoted to assistant and our owner become our Coach. We saw arguably our best d-man in Clarke get traded to Shawinigan, and we saw our starting goalie lose his job and gain it back again. What did all that accomplish? We were 5-11-0-1 in the first 17 games, and 5-12-0-0 in the next 17 games. What I did see that half was a lot more games that we could've won, but let slip away. The 2 games we had against Shawinigan, and the game this past Saturday night against Quebec are good examples. A young team is going to make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes cost you games, and that happened a couple of times. I believe Corbeil has gotten better, and is starting to show signs that he could gain back our trust in him. I hated going to the rink and holding my breath on every shot against him. But good for him for fighting through it. I'm not going to harp on the coaching. Enough has already been said. I just hope that the coaching staff finds the lines that they are looking for, and sticks with them. For Carl Gelinas' sake, I hope he returns to Frk's line. I would also like to see the 16yo's get fair ice time. If they are being sat because Bobby wants to keep them fresh (68 game season is a long one) that's fine. But I'd like to see them as much as possible. Upcoming Schedule next 17 games: Home Games: Bathurst, Cape Breton, Moncton, Saint John, Victoriaville, PEI, Baie Comeau, Drummondville Away Games: Bathurst, Moncton, Cape Breton, PEI, Lewiston, Gatineau, Montreal, Moncton, PEI. 8 Home games and 9 Road games in the next 17, with a pretty even schedule for upper teams vs lower teams. But when you're 16th in the league, almost every team is an upper one. . I think the Moose will show improvement in this half, but just barely. Prediction of record over next 17 games: 6-10-0-1 Attendance: Overall average: 5017 (2nd in the league and 11th in the country). With Pink in the Rink and the season opener in the first 17 games, we went down 171 fans/game over the last 17 games. Attendance usually starts going up in the 2nd half, however with the mood of the common fan lately, I wouldn't be surprised if our average hovers around the same. This team will have to win consistently for the public to gain their faith in the coaching staff/management again. Even with all that has happened, I still have a positive outlook on this team. I see a set of skilled, young forward, and some up and coming defencemen. I see hope in Corbeil and Terenzio as well. I think we should separate how we feel about the players, with how we may feel about the coaching staff. We will get better, it's just a matter of when. Patience is wearing thin to say the least, but we have to go to the rink and not care about the past 34 games, and just look to the future. I still think the future's bright in Moose Country. But someone mentioned that they would like to fall asleep and get woken up when the Moose are better, and I'm starting to feel the same way. I just want to see wins, and I think there will be more in the 2nd half . Go Moose! My math isn't what it used to be but in a 68 game season I believe 17 games is the 1/4 mark, so I thought it'd be interesting to start a discussion on where we are at this point. Record: 5-11-0-1 (Tied 5th in Maritime Division and 16th overall... Last playoff spot) lhjmq.leaguestat.com/en/stats/statdisplay.php?type=standings&season_id=82Top Point producer: Marty Frk (17GP 6G 11A 17Pts) lhjmq.leaguestat.com/en/stats/statdisplay.php?type=skaters&subType=6&season_id=82&leagueId=1&lastActive=&singleSeason=&confId=0Some of my observations: MVP so far: No one has really stood out to me as the MVP, but if picked now it would be Marty Frk. A Point per game average is a good accomplishment for a guy who's just getting to know the league, and his teammates. I expect him to get better as the season progresses. I'd like to see him get a bit more selfish and shoot the puck more. Does get frustrating at times to see him dangle 2-3 people only to flip a pass and have it be intercepted. But he's gonna be some fun to watch for the next 2 years. Pleasant Surprises: Carl Gelinas. He doesn't look out of place at all on the first line and he's pumping in the points to show it. He works hard in the corners and is showing he has finish. Could be another one that's fun to watch next year and possibly the year after. Simon Desmarais. At 16 he's showing great poise in his own end and is being rewarded with some key ice time. His willingness to drop the gloves at 16 against older and bigger opponents will make him a fan favorite for sure. I see him as a future captain of this team. Needs to improve: Mathieu Corbeil. Hate to keep harping on the guy but he has shown signs of greatness. I believe his problems are in the head. He needs to show more confidence. I see him way back in his crease at times and dropping routine glove saves. In order for the Moose to be competitive, he needs to stop pucks. Gerrard Grant. Our best 20yo on paper is currently tied for 8th in team scoring. We need more offense from Mr. Grant. There's too many young guys fighting for his ice time, and being a 20 yo scorer comes with some responsibility to produce. I have confidence he'll come around. Unsung Hero: Gabe Desjardins. It's like Gabe's been let loose this year. His work ethic game in and game out has been a bright spot so far. He only has 3 goals in 14 games, but to me he's one of the funnest guys to watch, and can get me back into the game when I want to fall asleep in my chair. Team summary: All in all the start to the year is disappointing in the win/loss department. However, anyone that's watched the Moose can tell you that they've been in almost every game they've played. The Game in Rimouski, and the home games against Moncton and Cape Breton # 2 being the exceptions. I think it comes down to goaltending. If our goalies can keep us in the game, we'll have a chance to win. It must be disheartening to work so hard only to have a couple of soft goals go in, and bam your down 2. If we can get more consistent goaltending and as we develop more chemistry, I can see us with some more wins. Our schedule gets a little easier coming up. We have more road games, but the caliber of opponent will ease up a bit. Prediction on record for next 17 games: 7-9-0-1. Average attendance through 10 home games: 5178 (2nd in the league and 10th in the Country. Difference from the same point last year: -57.4 fans/game or down 1.1%. www.mib.org/~lennier/hockey/leagueatt.cgiAttendance hasn't been great, but it didn't go down as much as I thought it would. Nothing under 4000 yet which is a plus (We'll see what happens Wednesday night against Gatineau). Keep working hard Moose, and you'll see the crowds start to come back. This is where it starts to get fun. Breaking down the season one chunk at a time and hopefully, seeing improvement in each chunk. Don't lose faith folks, there's better days ahead. Go Moose!
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Post by Qfan69 on Dec 13, 2010 9:51:05 GMT -4
Great post. Your finish thou is still a fan being a fan. The truth is these next 3 weeks will allow management to show fans that the still feel this team can win. By that I don't mean the play on the ice either. Every moose fan knows there are hole that need to be filled.
For this team to be better next half the goaltending needs to be way better but I really don't see that being fixed till the draft. So we need help on offense. I don't know what Cam and Bobby's wish list might be but I think you have to start with a gifted 19 year old forward. A center or left winger could fit well on this team. Now after you get that 19 year old forward you gotta look for 20 year old to take they other spot LW or C. That way you can fill out 2 lines, LW for the Ashley, Andrews line and a center for Frk and Carl.
Now some people might not agree with me on this but I think they should also look for a 19 year old D-man. Doesn't have to be an offensive guy just someone that will be back next year too. Especially if Konrad gets trade this year or at the draft, so we can use the high Euro pick were likely to get.
Now everyone says how many assets we have people have to stop being fans on here and realize that it could be better for the team to trade a 2nd rounder for a player to help now. Or even trade a 17 year old for a good 19 year old. I really think trades like that are going to be made this year, and myself I feel its could help this team big time.
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