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Post by nsvees on Aug 25, 2014 13:50:43 GMT -4
Wow. Kind of surprised about Dachyshyn. I sure they gave him a good talking to, to set him up for next year. Probably same for Blain-Dupuis and Argento I am thinking. edit. First time I saw Crossley in Truro and I was surprised how small he seems. Dachyshyn seems more ready size wise. Has Dachyshyn played any preseason games? Is he still saving his NCAA eligibility? No, Dachyshyn has not played in any preseason games, so he likely has saved his NCAA eligibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 15:24:16 GMT -4
Has Dachyshyn played any preseason games? Is he still saving his NCAA eligibility? No, Dachyshyn has not played in any preseason games, so he likely has saved his NCAA eligibility. He wanted to play but his father didn't want him to give up on North Dakota yet to play here on the 4th line and alternate being in the press box.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 25, 2014 18:15:01 GMT -4
No, Dachyshyn has not played in any preseason games, so he likely has saved his NCAA eligibility. He wanted to play but his father didn't want him to give up on North Dakota yet to play here on the 4th line and alternate being in the press box. That likely makes 2x 3rd round picks a bust to NCAA. Not a good way to build for the future.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Aug 25, 2014 20:00:09 GMT -4
Two more cuts today, Our team is set maybe one more cut congrats to both Ford and Watt.
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Post by Gman on Aug 25, 2014 20:03:48 GMT -4
He wanted to play but his father didn't want him to give up on North Dakota yet to play here on the 4th line and alternate being in the press box. That likely makes 2x 3rd round picks a bust to NCAA. Not a good way to build for the future. They do it pretty much every draft where their high picks are limited. They tend to swing for the fences rather than taking the base hit. Don't think it's ever worked out for them but they keep swinging away.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Aug 25, 2014 21:24:19 GMT -4
I think the decision is more about his development than his NCAA aspirations. By all accounts he was excited to be a Moosehead and was pictured days after the draft in the Mooseheads office accepting a jersey from Cam Russell.
He's the type of player (big and strong but not highly skilled) that will benefit from playing another year in midget getting big minutes to help further develop his hockey skills. Same with Argento.
But I do agree with the fact we keep swinging and missing with these NCAA bluffs. We could have had Anthony Richard with the Eichel pick (he was taken with the next pick) who is turning out to be a very good player in this league (yes, the hindsight argument) and he might have been enough to tip the scales in our favour in last years playoffs.
Regardless, you need to get a player you at least have a shot at developing and have more trust that your coaching staff can get the job done in that sense. If you're going to gamble, use later picks, at the very least.
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Post by Hot Water on Aug 25, 2014 21:25:49 GMT -4
If Dachysyn was planning on going the NCAA route then why did his father have to talk him out of suiting up for the exhibition games?
In all likelihood, his family probably saw the writing on the wall - or may have just been explicitly told by the Mooseheads - that he was going to be the 13th/14th forward this season or sent back to midget and they thought it'd be the smart/responsible thing to keep his NCAA options open just in case. I'm pretty sure he'll end up in a Moose uniform at some point but why slam the door on a potential NCAA scholarship just to play in a couple meaningless exhibition games when he probably wasn't going to be on the roster anyway? It's solid advice in my opinion.
The Marino kid is a slightly different scenario but the Moose also thought he was going to be in camp until he changed his mind at the very last minute (the night before camp opened).
Relax.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 25, 2014 21:44:37 GMT -4
That likely makes 2x 3rd round picks a bust to NCAA. Not a good way to build for the future. They do it pretty much every draft where their high picks are limited. They tend to swing for the fences rather than taking the base hit. Don't think it's ever worked out for them but they keep swinging away. Ya it seems they are too confident Halifax will sell itself when its more about the options the player has. Scouts/management cant depend on players/parents word which seems to be the case in Eichel, Marino. There has to be more to it than that, for instance if a player is not strong academically and likely will not get the free ride at NCAA or You have a special connection which when added to the commitment is strong enough to get them to report. Father,brother connections for example. The drafting of a player, 3rd round, that not only has NCAA interest but also is only going to play 4th line, press box is a foul ball every time. Could pick a non NCAA option player to get that. I could see a team with a 1st, couple 2nds and 3rds doing this on a STRONG player knowing other 3rds would not be good enough to improve the team. The Benedict type of situation makes sense but not this. The added negative in all this is that the Bathurst/Ashley(liked the direction it indicated the team was going) trade was made to acquire a 3rd for this use. Better to get a 2015 pick. The Resop use of a late pick is the way to go on players that may not work out. If Resop was picked in the 3rd and Marino in the 9th it would make more sense. Makes me wonder what the difference was in conversation. Now if these risks pan out next year I will happily point it out.
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Post by nsvees on Aug 25, 2014 21:47:10 GMT -4
Just curious, but does anyone know if a Junior A team has Dachyshyn's CJHL rights? He would still keep his NCAA eligibility by playing in Junior A.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 25, 2014 21:59:54 GMT -4
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Post by nsvees on Aug 25, 2014 22:10:30 GMT -4
Just curious, but does anyone know if a Junior A team has Dachyshyn's CJHL rights? He would still keep his NCAA eligibility by playing in Junior A. I believe it said he is going back to his old team. Just a thought I had. Going back to Major Midget will help him. If he dominates there, maybe he gets a couple of games in Junior A as an affiliated player, maybe as an injury replacement (I believe there is a limit to how many games a Midget player can play in Junior A, around 3-5 until his Major Midget season ends). Anyway, just a thought. I'll move on.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 26, 2014 8:26:01 GMT -4
If Dachysyn was planning on going the NCAA route then why did his father have to talk him out of suiting up for the exhibition games? In all likelihood, his family probably saw the writing on the wall - or may have just been explicitly told by the Mooseheads - that he was going to be the 13th/14th forward this season or sent back to midget and they thought it'd be the smart/responsible thing to keep his NCAA options open just in case. I'm pretty sure he'll end up in a Moose uniform at some point but why slam the door on a potential NCAA scholarship just to play in a couple meaningless exhibition games when he probably wasn't going to be on the roster anyway? It's solid advice in my opinion. The Marino kid is a slightly different scenario but the Moose also thought he was going to be in camp until he changed his mind at the very last minute (the night before camp opened). Relax. Here's the thing about being 13 or 14th forward. If he stayed with the team he gets one more year towards scholarship money through the Q anyways. If he comes back next year and makes it and then never makes it to the show he basically just have up around 8k of scholarship money. I'm starting to think this might be more of a we want more from you play from the family. The team said no and now the kid is back in midget because of it. Playing time shouldn't have been an issue here. He would have gotten more time after Christmas when some players are gone for tournaments and or traded. Then next year he might have been able to be thrown into the mix for top 9 for sure. But now with others getting a year over him he might end up on the 4 line next year any way. If this was a personal decision to try and strong arm the Moose I think it really back fired. Don't get me wrong I think him going back won't hurt him as a player but I also think he was going to get more playing time then he thought he would. The thing is unless he get way better there only looks to be 3 open spots up front next year. Maybe 4 if Elhers makes the jump up. Players up front that will move on after this year will be Gadoury, Vuic and Leblanc. Also if a lot of people have there way Watt won't be back next year too. So that a chance at 4 to maybe 5 spots. If it's 5 he's all good but it could only be 3. Then next year we'd have Blain-Dupuis along with Dachyshyn plus we have a first round pick and 2 seconds. You never know what they can be. What if we make a big trade and have another forward coming back too. I think this was a mistake by the Dachyshyn family.
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Post by Hot Water on Aug 26, 2014 9:53:00 GMT -4
If Dachysyn was planning on going the NCAA route then why did his father have to talk him out of suiting up for the exhibition games? In all likelihood, his family probably saw the writing on the wall - or may have just been explicitly told by the Mooseheads - that he was going to be the 13th/14th forward this season or sent back to midget and they thought it'd be the smart/responsible thing to keep his NCAA options open just in case. I'm pretty sure he'll end up in a Moose uniform at some point but why slam the door on a potential NCAA scholarship just to play in a couple meaningless exhibition games when he probably wasn't going to be on the roster anyway? It's solid advice in my opinion. The Marino kid is a slightly different scenario but the Moose also thought he was going to be in camp until he changed his mind at the very last minute (the night before camp opened). Relax. Here's the thing about being 13 or 14th forward. If he stayed with the team he gets one more year towards scholarship money through the Q anyways. If he comes back next year and makes it and then never makes it to the show he basically just have up around 8k of scholarship money. I'm starting to think this might be more of a we want more from you play from the family. The team said no and now the kid is back in midget because of it. Playing time shouldn't have been an issue here. He would have gotten more time after Christmas when some players are gone for tournaments and or traded. Then next year he might have been able to be thrown into the mix for top 9 for sure. But now with others getting a year over him he might end up on the 4 line next year any way. If this was a personal decision to try and strong arm the Moose I think it really back fired. Don't get me wrong I think him going back won't hurt him as a player but I also think he was going to get more playing time then he thought he would. The thing is unless he get way better there only looks to be 3 open spots up front next year. Maybe 4 if Elhers makes the jump up. Players up front that will move on after this year will be Gadoury, Vuic and Leblanc. Also if a lot of people have there way Watt won't be back next year too. So that a chance at 4 to maybe 5 spots. If it's 5 he's all good but it could only be 3. Then next year we'd have Blain-Dupuis along with Dachyshyn plus we have a first round pick and 2 seconds. You never know what they can be. What if we make a big trade and have another forward coming back too. I think this was a mistake by the Dachyshyn family. First off, I don't think it's fair to Dachyshyn or his family to lob something like that out there when I'm guessing that it's complete speculation on your part. There are pretty clearly 13/14 forwards ahead of him right now. He was going to be in the press box a ton this season. He's only 15. He's big but is still very raw. There's a lot of rational arguments for sending him back to midget this season that don't involve turning it into a Dachyshyn family versus the Mooseheads conspiracy theory.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Aug 26, 2014 9:55:09 GMT -4
Here's the thing about being 13 or 14th forward. If he stayed with the team he gets one more year towards scholarship money through the Q anyways. If he comes back next year and makes it and then never makes it to the show he basically just have up around 8k of scholarship money. I'm starting to think this might be more of a we want more from you play from the family. The team said no and now the kid is back in midget because of it. Playing time shouldn't have been an issue here. He would have gotten more time after Christmas when some players are gone for tournaments and or traded. Then next year he might have been able to be thrown into the mix for top 9 for sure. But now with others getting a year over him he might end up on the 4 line next year any way. If this was a personal decision to try and strong arm the Moose I think it really back fired. Don't get me wrong I think him going back won't hurt him as a player but I also think he was going to get more playing time then he thought he would. The thing is unless he get way better there only looks to be 3 open spots up front next year. Maybe 4 if Elhers makes the jump up. Players up front that will move on after this year will be Gadoury, Vuic and Leblanc. Also if a lot of people have there way Watt won't be back next year too. So that a chance at 4 to maybe 5 spots. If it's 5 he's all good but it could only be 3. Then next year we'd have Blain-Dupuis along with Dachyshyn plus we have a first round pick and 2 seconds. You never know what they can be. What if we make a big trade and have another forward coming back too. I think this was a mistake by the Dachyshyn family. What a silly, long winded, completely speculative, and most likely inaccurate post. This is how unfounded rumours start ^ I've been around junior hockey long enough to know the signs of a family playing hard ball with a team, and I am willing to bet money this is not the case with Dachyshyn. There was no threats of not reporting or talk of NCAA aspirations in any interviews or 'leaks' leading up to camp. He was happily on stage at the draft, and was at the Mooseheads office not long after accepting a jersey from the team, like I said. He showed up to camp with no issue, and didn't leave after 48 hours, presumably staying on his own dollar (which isn't difficult being a local player, but the point remains). This is a case of a player not being impressive at all at camp. Him and his family probably consulted with Cam and Dom about where and how he fit into the lineup, and they were open and honest with him saying that he will start the year on the 4th line and rotating in and out of the lineup with other rookies and they felt it would be better for his development to be playing big minutes in midget and developing his hockey skills. It doesn't take a genius to see this for what it is, and it isn't a hold-out for an education package. But that is probably exactly what is happening with Marino, if you have enough intuition to read between the lines.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 26, 2014 10:30:40 GMT -4
That likely makes 2x 3rd round picks a bust to NCAA. Not a good way to build for the future. They do it pretty much every draft where their high picks are limited. They tend to swing for the fences rather than taking the base hit. Don't think it's ever worked out for them but they keep swinging away. It's never worked out for them?
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