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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 26, 2014 10:33:05 GMT -4
He wanted to play but his father didn't want him to give up on North Dakota yet to play here on the 4th line and alternate being in the press box. That likely makes 2x 3rd round picks a bust to NCAA. Not a good way to build for the future. They're 16 and 1 is playing Midget in Halifax. Why do their Q careers have to start at 16? Nothing says Dachsyhyn isn't back next year bigger and stronger and makes the team in a top 9 role.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Aug 26, 2014 10:45:42 GMT -4
That likely makes 2x 3rd round picks a bust to NCAA. Not a good way to build for the future. They're 16 and 1 is playing Midget in Halifax. Why do their Q careers have to start at 16? Nothing says Dachsyhyn isn't back next year bigger and stronger and makes the team in a top 9 role. Max Fortier is a great example of what a 16yo season in midget can do. (Dauphin in Chic too)
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 26, 2014 11:12:38 GMT -4
I won't lie Hot Water it is speculation on my part. And it is very unfair of me to say it was a poor desicion on the families part. It's there kid and they no what beat for him. So I do take that back. But as for speculating on a hold out I'm going by the smell test here. Him not playing in any exabition games because his dad made sure he didn't seems off to me. If he were to have played in one I wouldn't be saying any of this. Let's say in this case it your own son. If it was my boy and he grew up watching this team and hopping to play for them there whole life and wanted him back in midget for a year. But had every intent of letting him go for it again next year wouldn't you let him play a game in front of his family and friends? I know I would unless there was something else I wanted for him. Like I said the smell test just seems off.
As for Joe he wasn't at the draft to go on stage to look happy at. Second the first rounders are the only one who go on stage. Third if he was there he would have already had his hat and jersey and wouldn't have had to go to the Moosehead office for them. For someone who has been around the Jr hockey a long time should know that. Also he was a high ranked 2nd round pick for the draft and he slipped because of NCAA talk. For that reason and that reason alone is why he didn't go to the draft either.
Like I said earlier if he played one exabition game I wouldn't think or say any of this. When a player asks to go back to midget and makes sure his NCAA is still open there's more to it then just he was going to be the 14 guy.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 26, 2014 11:17:14 GMT -4
They're 16 and 1 is playing Midget in Halifax. Why do their Q careers have to start at 16? Nothing says Dachsyhyn isn't back next year bigger and stronger and makes the team in a top 9 role. Max Fortier is a great example of what a 16yo season in midget can do. (Dauphin in Chic too) I agree with that 100%. Plus Dachyshyn didn't have a great year in midget his first go round. In playoff was when he found his stride. So a year can do him wonders. I just hope he does come back and it works for him and the moose. Like I said earlier there's other players that could come next year and make it harder for him too though.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 26, 2014 11:19:54 GMT -4
Let's say in this case it your own son. If it was my boy and he grew up watching this team and hopping to play for them there whole life and wanted him back in midget for a year. But had every intent of letting him go for it again next year wouldn't you let him play a game in front of his family and friends? I wouldn't have let my kid stay in camp longer then 48 hours. No way do I let a 16yr old who at best will rotate in a 4th line role give up the only leverage he has if he happens to have a breakout Midget season. Who you grew up cheering for becomes irrelevant when it's a career and doing the best thing for it. Not sure how some of you still can't see past personal emotion when it comes to this stuff. Why would you let your kid play a meaningless exhibition game just to play in front of a few family members? That doesn't benefit anyone in the long run.
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Post by hockeybuff on Aug 26, 2014 11:24:30 GMT -4
Did he play an exhibition game? That is really the only way he would lose eligibility. Above that...if his parents paid his room & board, NCAA would nothing to say.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 26, 2014 11:32:15 GMT -4
Let's say in this case it your own son. If it was my boy and he grew up watching this team and hopping to play for them there whole life and wanted him back in midget for a year. But had every intent of letting him go for it again next year wouldn't you let him play a game in front of his family and friends? I wouldn't have let my kid stay in camp longer then 48 hours. No way do I let a 16yr old who at best will rotate in a 4th line role give up the only leverage he has if he happens to have a breakout Midget season. Who you grew up cheering for becomes irrelevant when it's a career and doing the best thing for it. Not sure how some of you still can't see past personal emotion when it comes to this stuff. Why would you let your kid play a meaningless exhibition game just to play in front of a few family members? That doesn't benefit anyone in the long run. That's why I said if you know he's coming back next year. Also I'm fully thinking of his future. There is zero garuntee he makes pro. If he plays with the Moose as a 16, 17, 18, and 19 that's roughly $8000 for school. Plus if he plays as 20yo. So he's got a good insurance on that side. He's a local kid and this team was the team he would have attachments with. Don't you think that kid would love for that chance. Look I seen it go the other way and people went NCAA instead and it worked but some of them still think what if. That's the other side of the coin.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 26, 2014 11:33:14 GMT -4
Did he play an exhibition game? That is really the only way he would lose eligibility. Above that...if his parents paid his room & board, NCAA would nothing to say. He didn't play and he's local so basically yeah his way was paid.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 26, 2014 11:36:30 GMT -4
I wouldn't have let my kid stay in camp longer then 48 hours. No way do I let a 16yr old who at best will rotate in a 4th line role give up the only leverage he has if he happens to have a breakout Midget season. Who you grew up cheering for becomes irrelevant when it's a career and doing the best thing for it. Not sure how some of you still can't see past personal emotion when it comes to this stuff. Why would you let your kid play a meaningless exhibition game just to play in front of a few family members? That doesn't benefit anyone in the long run. That's why I said if you know he's coming back next year. Also I'm fully thinking of his future. There is zero garuntee he makes pro. If he plays with the Moose as a 16, 17, 18, and 19 that's roughly $8000 for school. Plus if he plays as 20yo. So he's got a good insurance on that side. He's a local kid and this team was the team he would have attachments with. Don't you think that kid would love for that chance. Look I seen it go the other way and people went NCAA instead and it worked but some of them still think what if. That's the other side of the coin. The same chance is there in a years time. The CIS money isn't enough to influence the decision 1 way or another right now. I agree with the parents decision of letting him stay as long as possible and deciding to go back to Midget with plans on looking over all his options in a years time. There is no need to rush it from the parents point of view.
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Post by guru on Aug 26, 2014 13:21:06 GMT -4
Who cares. We aren't talking about Nathan MacKinnon here. Plenty of guys that will be similar players and perhaps be in the league at age 20. Not worth fussing about why he didn't play in an exhibition game.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 26, 2014 13:45:24 GMT -4
Who cares. We aren't talking about Nathan MacKinnon here. Plenty of guys that will be similar players and perhaps be in the league at age 20. Not worth fussing about why he didn't play in an exhibition game. lol guru you make a posting history out of telling people on a message board who care more then anyone about the team that they shouldn't care about X and Y about the team. If they're not questioning who is/is not on the team and why what exactly is the point of a message board like this. Everyone can get stats and scores from the Q site.
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Post by melly on Aug 26, 2014 14:14:34 GMT -4
I won't lie Hot Water it is speculation on my part. And it is very unfair of me to say it was a poor desicion on the families part. It's there kid and they no what beat for him. So I do take that back. But as for speculating on a hold out I'm going by the smell test here. Him not playing in any exabition games because his dad made sure he didn't seems off to me. If he were to have played in one I wouldn't be saying any of this. Let's say in this case it your own son. If it was my boy and he grew up watching this team and hopping to play for them there whole life and wanted him back in midget for a year. But had every intent of letting him go for it again next year wouldn't you let him play a game in front of his family and friends? I know I would unless there was something else I wanted for him. Like I said the smell test just seems off. As for Joe he wasn't at the draft to go on stage to look happy at. Second the first rounders are the only one who go on stage. Third if he was there he would have already had his hat and jersey and wouldn't have had to go to the Moosehead office for them. For someone who has been around the Jr hockey a long time should know that. Also he was a high ranked 2nd round pick for the draft and he slipped because of NCAA talk. For that reason and that reason alone is why he didn't go to the draft either. Like I said earlier if he played one exabition game I wouldn't think or say any of this. When a player asks to go back to midget and makes sure his NCAA is still open there's more to it then just he was going to be the 14 guy. I say he ends up a Moosehead. Lets face it, North Dakota is not lining up to give a full ride to a possible high 2nd rd pick in the Q draft, who has not exactly torn up the leagues he has played in. His father can dream all he wants, but ND is not committing to anything this early. If the kid really wants to be a Moosehead (and it appears he does), and his father supports his choices, he will be a Moosehead. At the end of the day we don't know what any of the applicable parties are thinking. He had only 11 pts in 32 reg. season games. Did anyone see him play in the playoffs? Did he control games? Was he the beneficiary of quality linemates and PP time, or did he get 12 pts in 17 games carrying a line?
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Post by melly on Aug 26, 2014 15:03:48 GMT -4
Line up. It will be very interesting to see how the forward lines shape up, and who is in the Press Box. Ducharme calls it 'healthy competition', I wonder if players who expect ice time this year will feel the same way if they find themselves being healthy scratched. If they go with 6 D, the 2 Fwds sit. If they want Crossley and King to get some game action, then someone will be sitting who had a fairly regular shift last year or thinks they will this year (Fortier, Watt). It will be interesting to see how Ducharme handles it if the bubble forwards each night, that are dressed, play well enough to warrant staying in the line-up.
What is the rule regarding these kids playing Junior A. Is there something stopping the Moose from allowing Crossley to play local Junior A, then call him up when necessary?
Fucale (19) Resop (17)
Defence (8)
Hardie (20) Lussier (20) Murphy (19) C. Fitzgerald (18) J. Fitzgerald (18) Ford (17) Taillefer (17) Nauss (16)
Forwards (14)
Gadoury (20) Falkenham (19) Vuic (19) Leblanc (19) D. Moynihan (19) Ehlers (18) Meier (18) Shewfelt (18) Watt (18) Fortier (17) C. Moynihan (17) Bent (19) Crossley (16) King (17)
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Aug 26, 2014 15:22:06 GMT -4
Line up. It will be very interesting to see how the forward lines shape up, and who is in the Press Box. Ducharme calls it 'healthy competition', I wonder if players who expect ice time this year will feel the same way if they find themselves being healthy scratched. If they go with 6 D, the 2 Fwds sit. If they want Crossley and King to get some game action, then someone will be sitting who had a fairly regular shift last year or thinks they will this year (Fortier, Watt). It will be interesting to see how Ducharme handles it if the bubble forwards each night, that are dressed, play well enough to warrant staying in the line-up. I am sure you could probably scratch Kelly Bent 10-15 times during the year and not cause much fuss doing so. The type of player he is and role he plays is not always required depending on who your opponent is. Especially seeing you'd still have Vuic in the lineup if things got unexpectedly greasy.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 26, 2014 16:56:00 GMT -4
Line up. It will be very interesting to see how the forward lines shape up, and who is in the Press Box. Ducharme calls it 'healthy competition', I wonder if players who expect ice time this year will feel the same way if they find themselves being healthy scratched. If they go with 6 D, the 2 Fwds sit. If they want Crossley and King to get some game action, then someone will be sitting who had a fairly regular shift last year or thinks they will this year (Fortier, Watt). It will be interesting to see how Ducharme handles it if the bubble forwards each night, that are dressed, play well enough to warrant staying in the line-up. I am sure you could probably scratch Kelly Bent 10-15 times during the year and not cause much fuss doing so. The type of player he is and role he plays is not always required depending on who your opponent is. Especially seeing you'd still have Vuic in the lineup if things got unexpectedly greasy. Leblanc is another one that could sit. The advantage of 19yr olds(likely not top 3 20's) is they can adjust to different roles and handle the workload without worrying about their development being stunted. I don't know why people always worry about 16yr olds playing every game, they rarely are strong enough to do that and even the elite ones end up with injuries. Its better to give them off time so they can play when well rested instead of fatigued. Not doing anyone a favor by burning them out in the first half of the season.
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