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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 9, 2014 14:27:03 GMT -4
You might not be able to wait that long though. Other teams will be looking to make moves as well, and if they involve 20 year olds for example (and you guys might be looking to upgrade on Brassard at some point if his play keeps being not impressive) those moves can happen anytime. The player(s) you have on your radar could be traded before Xmas is what I am saying. Or someone might call up Dumont with a trade proposal before Xmas. As an example I guess let's say SJ calls and asks if Dumont is interested in Auger...maybe he is maybe he isn't I don't know, but for example sake pretend he is interested. He then can't go "Yes but let's talk at Xmas" because by then SJ likely has inquired elsewhere, and perhaps Auger is traded to someone else. and that's the type of conversation I think you can only find on a fan forum and not in a front office. It's 10 games into the season, 6 games for Brassard. Slow start? Yes. Am I impressed with him? No. But he has 150+ games of experience in the Q with a Save% over .905% and 3 times as many playoff games as Auger. It's way too early to be saying Brassard needs to be flipped lol
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Post by mooseinfo on Oct 9, 2014 14:33:31 GMT -4
I'm telling you what Dumont himself has said. He would like the situation resolved sooner then later. That means he needs his mind made up now because if he trades Darcy he's throwing in the towel as you don't trade him now then try to buy in 8 weeks. I'm not making that up, it's the way it is. I claim not to know it all. I just like to see the situation for what it is rather then naively believe teams wait until the season is half over before making key decisions on players. Those decisions need to be made well before then in order to begin the trade talks and planning which can take weeks with so many variables at play. This is a discussion forum to discuss the options. You refusing to do so is your own perogative but it does not mean anyone else is not allowed to discuss possible deals, whether you like how large they are or not. You're not telling me what Dumont himself has said though lol you're telling me your opinion as if it's fact and the only way to look at the situation. A) I don't think anyone has been silly enough to ask him about his plans at the Christmas deadline in early October. If so, feel free to quote him directly. B) I never even commented on Dumont deciding if he should trade Darcy or Legere so why the hell are you telling me about that? C) You call me naive for saying teams are patient and yet a direct quote from Dumont when Darcy was sent back: and that's just the 20 year old situation lol I doubt he's already decided exactly what he's doing at the Christmas period. You're right, this is a discussion forum to discuss the options. It's not an interrogation in which I have to answer your questions to your liking and say exactly what you want me to say. If you don't like that I don't base my opinion on 1 20 year old returning, tough titty. Move on with your life and let me have my own opinion. A few days isnt taking ones time with overagers. Teams have carried them until the required time to HAVE to trade/release in the rules. A few days is the direction the team likely will take but I think it was not explained well or you missed that.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 9, 2014 14:41:22 GMT -4
I'm telling you what Dumont himself has said. He would like the situation resolved sooner then later. That means he needs his mind made up now because if he trades Darcy he's throwing in the towel as you don't trade him now then try to buy in 8 weeks. I'm not making that up, it's the way it is. I claim not to know it all. I just like to see the situation for what it is rather then naively believe teams wait until the season is half over before making key decisions on players. Those decisions need to be made well before then in order to begin the trade talks and planning which can take weeks with so many variables at play. This is a discussion forum to discuss the options. You refusing to do so is your own perogative but it does not mean anyone else is not allowed to discuss possible deals, whether you like how large they are or not. You're not telling me what Dumont himself has said though lol you're telling me your opinion as if it's fact and the only way to look at the situation. A) I don't think anyone has been silly enough to ask him about his plans at the Christmas deadline in early October. If so, feel free to quote him directly. B) I never even commented on Dumont deciding if he should trade Darcy or Legere so why the hell are you telling me about that? C) You call me naive for saying teams are patient and yet a direct quote from Dumont when Darcy was sent back: and that's just the 20 year old situation lol I doubt he's already decided exactly what he's doing at the Christmas period. You're right, this is a discussion forum to discuss the options. It's not an interrogation in which I have to answer your questions to your liking and say exactly what you want me to say. If you don't like that I don't base my opinion on 1 20 year old returning, tough titty. Move on with your life and let me have my own opinion. Dumont was quoted in the article as saying he wants it assessed in the next few days. Not months. Days. You can't put off your decision to trade up or down for months when you have a key decision you admit you want done in days. These are from the man himself, my opinion is irrelevant honestly. You questioned going for it. People like myself asked you what you'd like to see done. You essentially said it's a pointless question to answer as it's too early to make that decision. That is simply wrong. Getting Darcy back forces you to make that decision now, as Dumont essentially said in that article you copied. He's the one who said we'll see what offers are there over the next few days. It's not an interrogation. You took a stand which was 180 degrees from what most were discussing then defend it with message board rhetoric and some lame attempts to make yourself look superior. My posting record speaks for itself here. I stand by my opinion and don't hide behind them. I never claim to be the only one who can be right, i'm just willing to take a stand and explain why. You're not. People tend to respect those who can at least offer some insight as to why they've come to that conclusion.
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 9, 2014 14:43:40 GMT -4
Leduc is staying in the ECHL meaning Rimouski are in need of an overager.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 9, 2014 14:45:19 GMT -4
and that's the type of conversation I think you can only find on a fan forum and not in a front office. It's 10 games into the season, 6 games for Brassard. Slow start? Yes. Am I impressed with him? No. But he has 150+ games of experience in the Q with a Save% over .905% and 3 times as many playoff games as Auger. It's way too early to be saying Brassard needs to be flipped lol That was an example, as I clearly stated. I'm starting to think others are right about you and you pick and choose what you want to read. And its not the type of conversation you can only find on a fan forum. There have been inquiries about Auger already. Every year contenders and non contenders trade 20 year olds before Xmas. Every year contenders and non contenders work out deals for non-20 year old players and picks before Xmas, which get announced during the Xmas trade window when it becomes legal to announce them. You're plain retarded if you think teams aren't pursuing trade possibilities already. If you were a GM your team would be fucked because you'd sit around doing nothing until Xmas and find out that every other team already has moves lined up and the players you were targetting are already gone to someone else.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 9, 2014 14:48:38 GMT -4
You might not be able to wait that long though. Other teams will be looking to make moves as well, and if they involve 20 year olds for example (and you guys might be looking to upgrade on Brassard at some point if his play keeps being not impressive) those moves can happen anytime. The player(s) you have on your radar could be traded before Xmas is what I am saying. Or someone might call up Dumont with a trade proposal before Xmas. As an example I guess let's say SJ calls and asks if Dumont is interested in Auger...maybe he is maybe he isn't I don't know, but for example sake pretend he is interested. He then can't go "Yes but let's talk at Xmas" because by then SJ likely has inquired elsewhere, and perhaps Auger is traded to someone else. and that's the type of conversation I think you can only find on a fan forum and not in a front office. It's 10 games into the season, 6 games for Brassard. Slow start? Yes. Am I impressed with him? No. But he has 150+ games of experience in the Q with a Save% over .905% and 3 times as many playoff games as Auger. It's way too early to be saying Brassard needs to be flipped lol 10 games is almost 1/3 of the way to the half way point. So it's a large sample size when you have to decide between games 30 and 40 who you want down the stretch for your playoff run. Especially considering the players were here for a month before 1 game was played and went through the trip to Russia for some games. It might be too early to give up on him but it's not too early to ask SJ what they want for Auger. Because in 2 months time he might be your target as a buyer depending on what other trade targets you want are attainable. GM's don't wake up trade deadline day deciding to buy. The leg work is done at this time of year as teams start to know what final rosters look like and who is or is not returning.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 9, 2014 14:54:45 GMT -4
and that's the type of conversation I think you can only find on a fan forum and not in a front office. It's 10 games into the season, 6 games for Brassard. Slow start? Yes. Am I impressed with him? No. But he has 150+ games of experience in the Q with a Save% over .905% and 3 times as many playoff games as Auger. It's way too early to be saying Brassard needs to be flipped lol That was an example, as I clearly stated. I'm starting to think others are right about you and you pick and choose what you want to read. And its not the type of conversation you can only find on a fan forum. There have been inquiries about Auger already. Every year contenders and non contenders trade 20 year olds before Xmas. Every year contenders and non contenders work out deals for non-20 year old players and picks before Xmas, which get announced during the Xmas trade window when it becomes legal to announce them. You're plain retarded if you think teams aren't pursuing trade possibilities already. If you were a GM your team would be fucked because you'd sit around doing nothing until Xmas and find out that every other team already has moves lined up and the players you were targetting are already gone to someone else. Maybe it's an experience thing and he's never followed a team in this sort of position. Not to be insulting but if I started following the team after the 07 season i'd probably be uninformed in terms of what to expect from a team with so much talent as a buyer. Most of us have seen all kinds of different scenarios unfold over almost 15 years of following the league so to us the Eagles situation this year is a no brainer. I know when we first went through it in 2002 even some hardcore fans didn't really know who David Cloutier was yet he was a damn good #1 defenceman for us down the stretch that year but at first the deal seemed like overkill even though hindsight shows it as fair value. People try to relate these deals to the pro league they follow which also doesn't work due to how draft picks are moved around at this level. I've taken lots of unpopular stances here, but I've always been willing to explain why.
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 9, 2014 15:06:19 GMT -4
Dumont was quoted in the article as saying he wants it assessed in the next few days. Not months. Days. You can't put off your decision to trade up or down for months when you have a key decision you admit you want done in days. These are from the man himself, my opinion is irrelevant honestly. You questioned going for it. People like myself asked you what you'd like to see done. You essentially said it's a pointless question to answer as it's too early to make that decision. That is simply wrong. Getting Darcy back forces you to make that decision now, as Dumont essentially said in that article you copied. He's the one who said we'll see what offers are there over the next few days. It's not an interrogation. You took a stand which was 180 degrees from what most were discussing then defend it with message board rhetoric and some lame attempts to make yourself look superior. My posting record speaks for itself here. I stand by my opinion and don't hide behind them. I never claim to be the only one who can be right, i'm just willing to take a stand and explain why. You're not. People tend to respect those who can at least offer some insight as to why they've come to that conclusion. I was going to respond but I already know you'll just ignore my opinion, restate your opinion as fact, and finish with something hilariously hypocritical again like you standing by your opinion = respectable but I'm an idiot for standing by mine.
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 9, 2014 15:11:29 GMT -4
In this case I'll pick out what I want to read and just let you know that's the most pathetic post I've read on here yet.
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Post by emerz on Oct 9, 2014 15:12:52 GMT -4
At least all the discussion isn't about who to draft at first overall next year.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 9, 2014 15:17:21 GMT -4
In this case I'll pick out what I want to read and just let you know that's the most pathetic post I've read on here yet. Sweet! I'll take that most pathetic post award and place it right next to my most accurate post award.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 9, 2014 15:20:13 GMT -4
Dumont was quoted in the article as saying he wants it assessed in the next few days. Not months. Days. You can't put off your decision to trade up or down for months when you have a key decision you admit you want done in days. These are from the man himself, my opinion is irrelevant honestly. You questioned going for it. People like myself asked you what you'd like to see done. You essentially said it's a pointless question to answer as it's too early to make that decision. That is simply wrong. Getting Darcy back forces you to make that decision now, as Dumont essentially said in that article you copied. He's the one who said we'll see what offers are there over the next few days. It's not an interrogation. You took a stand which was 180 degrees from what most were discussing then defend it with message board rhetoric and some lame attempts to make yourself look superior. My posting record speaks for itself here. I stand by my opinion and don't hide behind them. I never claim to be the only one who can be right, i'm just willing to take a stand and explain why. You're not. People tend to respect those who can at least offer some insight as to why they've come to that conclusion. I was going to respond but I already know you'll just ignore my opinion, restate your opinion as fact, and finish with something hilariously hypocritical again like you standing by your opinion = respectable but I'm an idiot for standing by mine. Your opinion is to have no opinion yet criticize others for not agreeing to not talk about the future deals until Christmas. Just dont read the thread if you don't want to read trade proposals or respond to then with any decent opinion. An opinion of 'everyone shut up and stop talking about it' is not exactly going to fly anywhere unless you're a child.
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 9, 2014 15:31:32 GMT -4
Your opinion is to have no opinion yet criticize others for not agreeing to not talk about the future deals until Christmas. Just dont read the thread if you don't want to read trade proposals or respond to then with any decent opinion. An opinion of 'everyone shut up and stop talking about it' is not exactly going to fly anywhere unless you're a child. That's simply not true. Just because my opinion doesn't paint me into a corner 10 games into the season based on 1 player returning like yours doesn't mean I don't have an opinion. I also never said people shouldn't talk about future deals until Christmas. I actually said there are probably trades out there that I could get behind. I simply said the Halifax ones statsman suggested were terrible and your mind has run away with itself ever since! You can't tell me what to/not to read, thanks The thread was about Cam Darcy returning, not potential trades. I made a comment to someone else and I've been defending myself from you ever since.
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Post by dt281 on Oct 9, 2014 15:40:22 GMT -4
Of course Dumont would already be inquiring about who's available. Any half wit GM would be. He probably has a pretty good idea of what weaknesses the team has and what positions he wants upgraded. He will likely wait on offers for Legare. Not likely to deal Brassard unless he has another trade for another goalie lined up. It's funny that someone can tell a poster how stupid his trade proposals are yet he can't even tell you if he wants to buy or sell?? Unless things fall apart it's almost a given that we are buying, especially now that Darcy is back.
I enjoy seeing trade proposals even though I don't agree with most of them. Instead of slamming them with no reasons behind why you hate them, put up your own trade since you seem to think you can do better??
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 9, 2014 15:47:54 GMT -4
Your opinion is to have no opinion yet criticize others for not agreeing to not talk about the future deals until Christmas. Just dont read the thread if you don't want to read trade proposals or respond to then with any decent opinion. An opinion of 'everyone shut up and stop talking about it' is not exactly going to fly anywhere unless you're a child. That's simply not true. Just because my opinion doesn't paint me into a corner 10 games into the season based on 1 player returning like yours doesn't mean I don't have an opinion. I also never said people shouldn't talk about future deals until Christmas. I actually said there are probably trades out there that I could get behind. I simply said the Halifax ones statsman suggested were terrible and your mind has run away with itself ever since! You can't tell me what to/not to read, thanks The thread was about Cam Darcy returning, not potential trades. I made a comment to someone else and I've been defending myself from you ever since. My opinion is NOT based on 1 player returning. It's based on the players we have now, what their ages are, hoe good those players are, and what assets we have to trade with. Darcy going back to a Halifax doesn't change anything. Adding him to Svechnikov, Lazarev, Pelletier, Bishop, Farrell, Simard, MacIntyre, Deschamps, Leveille, Bell, Lalonde is a much different scenario. My mind hasn't run away with anything, your close minded view of refusing to elaborate on your opinion based on what scenarios we are going to see is simply laughable as you'd rather spend multiple comments talking about how it's ok to have an undefended opinion rather then lay out some facts about why your view makes sense. You seem to not get that nobody from this board said the Moose fans proposal was fine. There were parts of it that did make sense however. It can't take much maturity to see that I thought. But you're clearly proving me wrong with comments of me being painted into a corner as if it makes any sense to not be a buyer with the core I listed. I'm willing to explain that i've followed the team and league long enough to know how good we have it and what I believe we should do. Everyone's wondering why you seem to be so adamant of that being incorrect. As we wait for you to explain why you offer no defence and only rhetoric which is becoming typical of you. I'm more then happy to answer anyones question as to how i've come to my opinion with facts and history to back it up. I'm starting to understand why you refuse to do so.
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