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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 9, 2014 15:50:32 GMT -4
Of course Dumont would already be inquiring about who's available. Any half wit GM would be. He probably has a pretty good idea of what weaknesses the team has and what positions he wants upgraded. He will likely wait on offers for Legare. Not likely to deal Brassard unless he has another trade for another goalie lined up. It's funny that someone can tell a poster how stupid his trade proposals are yet he can't even tell you if he wants to buy or sell?? Unless things fall apart it's almost a given that we are buying, especially now that Darcy is back. I enjoy seeing trade proposals even though I don't agree with most of them. Instead of slamming them with no reasons behind why you hate them, put up your own trade since you seem to think you can do better?? Excellent post which sums this all up well. I'm sure Brassard has been told that if Hache ever comes back it will be a tough call for management. Not that we need to worry about it, but it should be worth mentioning. After 10 games we all seem to have a pretty unanimous idea of what the holes are. Imagine being around the team for another month on top of that. This isn't a 10 month season. Christmas trade period starts in 2 months so of course those talks start right about.....now.
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Post by hal on Oct 9, 2014 16:04:22 GMT -4
A few thoughts : - Clear the 20 situation up sooner rather than later . - It is only October , I think Dumont needs a little more time to see what he really has and what path he wants to go down . * meaning he knows he has holes but some may be bigger than others in his opinion .(my gut tells me he really likes Brassard ) . - Dumont at his "Off The Record" forums has talked in terms of reloads not rebuilds . With the cupboard full of draft picks , I would think top flight 19's would be the way to go ...ie: A Matt Murphy but not at what some say the price is .......he is good not great . - Darcy joining the fold doesn't help address the goals against problem ......Hache would but let's be happy to have one back . - This being a Q Year for the Memorial Cup might be the thing that is the biggest factor in all this .
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 9, 2014 16:12:52 GMT -4
Of course Dumont would already be inquiring about who's available. Any half wit GM would be. He probably has a pretty good idea of what weaknesses the team has and what positions he wants upgraded. He will likely wait on offers for Legare. Not likely to deal Brassard unless he has another trade for another goalie lined up. It's funny that someone can tell a poster how stupid his trade proposals are yet he can't even tell you if he wants to buy or sell?? Unless things fall apart it's almost a given that we are buying, especially now that Darcy is back. I enjoy seeing trade proposals even though I don't agree with most of them. Instead of slamming them with no reasons behind why you hate them, put up your own trade since you seem to think you can do better?? Who said Dumont isn't/shouldn't be inquiring about who's available? That's normal with Darcy, without Darcy, going for it, not going for it, etc. The "unless things fall apart" part is all I've pointed out and people got their panties in a bunch in a big way. It's October and people are acting like it's a forgone conclusion that Dumont is going to be a huge buyer at the deadline no matter what happens between now & Christmas. I think the performance of the team, the players available, the price tags of said players, the injury situation, etc. all play a pretty important role in the decision making process for management. Saying "buy or sell" is the most simplistic way to look at a complex situation. If CB doesn't look like they're near a contender on the ice (NOT ON PAPER) come Christmas, it might be worth standing pat/making a few tweeks to compete this year but waiting to "go for it" next year. If CB looks like they're a contender, like I've said multiple times, there are probably trades that I could get behind. How dare I have a view that relies on more information eh? Why the hell would I put my own trades up here? I don't know who's available, the price tag, the position CB will be in come trade deadline, the willingness of a player to report to CB, the relationships between the GMs, the scouting reports that Dumont has on players available, who they like & don't like, etc. By that logic of not being allowed to give my opinion on a proposed trade without proposing my own trade, I can't be against drinking and driving unless I drive drunk myself?
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Post by dt281 on Oct 9, 2014 16:42:19 GMT -4
Of course Dumont would already be inquiring about who's available. Any half wit GM would be. He probably has a pretty good idea of what weaknesses the team has and what positions he wants upgraded. He will likely wait on offers for Legare. Not likely to deal Brassard unless he has another trade for another goalie lined up. It's funny that someone can tell a poster how stupid his trade proposals are yet he can't even tell you if he wants to buy or sell?? Unless things fall apart it's almost a given that we are buying, especially now that Darcy is back. I enjoy seeing trade proposals even though I don't agree with most of them. Instead of slamming them with no reasons behind why you hate them, put up your own trade since you seem to think you can do better?? Who said Dumont isn't/shouldn't be inquiring about who's available? That's normal with Darcy, without Darcy, going for it, not going for it, etc. The "unless things fall apart" part is all I've pointed out and people got their panties in a bunch in a big way. It's October and people are acting like it's a forgone conclusion that Dumont is going to be a huge buyer at the deadline no matter what happens between now & Christmas. I think the performance of the team, the players available, the price tags of said players, the injury situation, etc. all play a pretty important role in the decision making process for management. Saying "buy or sell" is the most simplistic way to look at a complex situation. If CB doesn't look like they're near a contender on the ice (NOT ON PAPER) come Christmas, it might be worth standing pat/making a few tweeks to compete this year but waiting to "go for it" next year. If CB looks like they're a contender, like I've said multiple times, there are probably trades that I could get behind. How dare I have a view that relies on more information eh? Why the hell would I put my own trades up here? I don't know who's available, the price tag, the position CB will be in come trade deadline, the willingness of a player to report to CB, the relationships between the GMs, the scouting reports that Dumont has on players available, who they like & don't like, etc. By that logic of not being allowed to give my opinion on a proposed trade without proposing my own trade, I can't be against drinking and driving unless I drive drunk myself? So by your rational, no one should ever propose a trade option, since none of us would no for sure who's available, the prices, willingness to report, et It's a forum!! People discuss these things for the hell of it. None of us are GM's. You came on here all high and mighty to shoot down a posters trade yet offer no reasons or your own options. That's a pretty easy thing to do! What info are you waiting on to decide on what to do trade deadline?? All teams have holes, especially this year. Nothing wrong with putting who you would like to get. It's not like it's the end all if you are wrong or not everyone agrees.
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 9, 2014 16:45:26 GMT -4
So by your rational, no one should ever propose a trade option, since none of us would no for sure who's available, the prices, willingness to report, et It's a forum!! People discuss these things for the hell of it. None of us are GM's. You came on here all high and mighty to shoot down a posters trade yet offer no reasons or your own options. That's a pretty easy thing to do! What info are you waiting on to decide on what to do trade deadline?? All teams have holes, especially this year. Nothing wrong with putting who you would like to get. It's not like it's the end all if you are wrong or not everyone agrees. No. I said that's why I wouldn't post trades. I didn't tell anyone what they can/cannot do. You're asking questions that have been answered already.
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Post by dt281 on Oct 9, 2014 17:25:53 GMT -4
As far as trades, looking at rosters, it's going to be a sellers market especially since the Q is hosting. There doesn't seem to be many options if we choose to oil for a 19yo goalie or D. Fucale most likely won't be back next year so who else is there..... Cadorette, Guindon? No wonder Baie-Comeau wants so much for him.
It might actually be cheaper( if we aren't happy with Brassard) to inquire about Auger and add another 20yo goalie next year too. Doing this would still not be near as much as what B.C want or what Fucale would go for.
As far as 19yo defence go, besides Murphy or Guenette who else would be good options??
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Post by eaglefan62 on Oct 9, 2014 17:27:28 GMT -4
Now folks, to get off the subject of who is right and who is wrong,let me throw out a trade scenario for you to chew on. Its only early yet and we have no way of knowing who is buying or selling, so how about Gabriel Paquin-Boudreau, Alexander Ranger and Carl Tremblay from Chicoutimie for a combination of draft picks/prospects. All three are 19, have had long playoff runs with Baie-Comeau, one a leftwinger, one a right winger and one a right handed shutdown defenceman and all three will probably be back next year. Just for discussions sake please, lets not get anybodys shorts in a knot.Thoughts please.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 9, 2014 17:44:26 GMT -4
Now folks, to get off the subject of who is right and who is wrong,let me throw out a trade scenario for you to chew on. Its only early yet and we have no way of knowing who is buying or selling, so how about Gabriel Paquin-Boudreau, Alexander Ranger and Carl Tremblay from Chicoutimie for a combination of draft picks/prospects. All three are 19, have had long playoff runs with Baie-Comeau, one a leftwinger, one a right winger and one a right handed shutdown defenceman and all three will probably be back next year. Just for discussions sake please, lets not get anybodys shorts in a knot.Thoughts please. Chicoutimi will probably be buyers more than sellers so it is unlikely those guys would be available. They will be one of the stronger teams.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 9, 2014 17:48:34 GMT -4
As far as trades, looking at rosters, it's going to be a sellers market especially since the Q is hosting. There doesn't seem to be many options if we choose to oil for a 19yo goalie or D. Fucale most likely won't be back next year so who else is there..... Cadorette, Guindon? No wonder Baie-Comeau wants so much for him. It might actually be cheaper( if we aren't happy with Brassard) to inquire about Auger and add another 20yo goalie next year too. Doing this would still not be near as much as what B.C want or what Fucale would go for. As far as 19yo defence go, besides Murphy or Guenette who else would be good options?? Alex Vanier. Dylan Labbe (#TheShawi will probably drop off a bit) Depending where Gatineau are around deadline maybe Elie Berube. There isn't really a great amount opf 19yo D likely available but also tough to say who might buy or sell for a month or so.
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Post by dt281 on Oct 9, 2014 17:50:02 GMT -4
Now folks, to get off the subject of who is right and who is wrong,let me throw out a trade scenario for you to chew on. Its only early yet and we have no way of knowing who is buying or selling, so how about Gabriel Paquin-Boudreau, Alexander Ranger and Carl Tremblay from Chicoutimie for a combination of draft picks/prospects. All three are 19, have had long playoff runs with Baie-Comeau, one a leftwinger, one a right winger and one a right handed shutdown defenceman and all three will probably be back next year. Just for discussions sake please, lets not get anybodys shorts in a knot.Thoughts please. Chicoutimi are a real wild card team. They have 15 players on their roster that are 19 or older. If they sell that puts some good trade options out there.
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Post by howitzer on Oct 9, 2014 17:54:12 GMT -4
It would be a waste of a great opportunity for CB to just "tweak" this season, hope for the best, and look to load up next year.
You guys are in the rare situation of having a top 5 team, with a lot of the core coming back next year, AND have the cupboards absolutely stocked full of picks and prospects. To get those 2 things to come together, at the same time, is pretty rare. May as well take advantage. You can spend now plus spend next year, with proper asset management.
Two of your best players (Farrell and Darcy) are done after this year. Of your 95's, none are 20 year old material for next year. So you're gonna have to go get some new 20's at some point. Spend now on some 95's who will be around next year, while you still have those 2 guys. It would make zero sense to wait until the off season to address that situation.
I get the waiting until xmas to really make a decision, but Dumont's been building and building for a few years now....his core is in place....it's a Memorial Cup year, it's time to be aggressive and get you team over the top. A lot of these guys were there last year (not all, but a lot), when the team played well, and there's 3 months until the deadline. If Dumont doesn't have enough belief and confidence in the group by then, to buy at xmas, I would be wondering if there's some larger issues with the team.
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Post by dt281 on Oct 9, 2014 17:55:13 GMT -4
As far as trades, looking at rosters, it's going to be a sellers market especially since the Q is hosting. There doesn't seem to be many options if we choose to oil for a 19yo goalie or D. Fucale most likely won't be back next year so who else is there..... Cadorette, Guindon? No wonder Baie-Comeau wants so much for him. It might actually be cheaper( if we aren't happy with Brassard) to inquire about Auger and add another 20yo goalie next year too. Doing this would still not be near as much as what B.C want or what Fucale would go for. As far as 19yo defence go, besides Murphy or Guenette who else would be good options?? Alex Vanier. Dylan Labbe (#TheShawi will probably drop off a bit) Depending where Gatineau are around deadline maybe Elie Berube. There isn't really a great amount opf 19yo D likely available but also tough to say who might buy or sell for a month or so. I should have said 19yo defenceman who would likely be back as 20's. That's what I'm hoping we are looking for. Vanier would be great but not likely to be here next year. Are there any 19 yo shutdown d-man that might be available? Again, guys who you think will be back for there overage season.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Oct 9, 2014 17:56:35 GMT -4
I agree, with those numbers they are a real wild card team. Looks like they will have to go all in or sell, depending on where they stand at Christmas. I don't know if they have the horses to go all in and if they are buyers,they do not have much to offer except futures.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 9, 2014 18:11:30 GMT -4
Of course Dumont would already be inquiring about who's available. Any half wit GM would be. He probably has a pretty good idea of what weaknesses the team has and what positions he wants upgraded. He will likely wait on offers for Legare. Not likely to deal Brassard unless he has another trade for another goalie lined up. It's funny that someone can tell a poster how stupid his trade proposals are yet he can't even tell you if he wants to buy or sell?? Unless things fall apart it's almost a given that we are buying, especially now that Darcy is back. I enjoy seeing trade proposals even though I don't agree with most of them. Instead of slamming them with no reasons behind why you hate them, put up your own trade since you seem to think you can do better?? Great post. That's is all.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Oct 9, 2014 18:38:03 GMT -4
Norris the post about players breaking legs at practice was probably the worst one of all. You cannot base your plans on " what ifs ? " in junior hockey. How many teams have loaded up and failed early playoffs due to guys shitting the bed or injuries, LOTS.
Without a doubt, this teams time is now. And as jb said, you make trades with next year in mind as well. Of course we want two year players, but if a deal came across for fucale and Murphy that was reasonable, you do it! That also frees up a spot for another top notch 20 year old assuming legare goes.
Sorry to tell you, the years of pascal floating in the middle to top are gone. I don't want this team to casually finish top half of the league but only "tweak" the roster. This city needs a championship, two year run just like saint John and Halifax, get the asses in the seats again! If not, we could eventually end up losing our team.
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