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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 11, 2014 12:19:11 GMT -4
Boy oh boy, the train wreck continues, between bringing in kids who don't want to be here to the kids that are here that don't like the coach, we are in tough shape. I for one would be severly disappointed and severely pissed off if he includes Dubois in any trade. As it stands now, we are out of a playoff spot and the only thing preventing us from falling to last place is Bathurst. Time for the higher ups to take a long hard look at what is happening here.Who knows, maybe there is a lineup of kids at Dumont's door as we speak wanting out of here, that is one of the stories I am hearing, and given the track record as of late, quite possibly true. No, Dumont is doing fine. Just ask some others who apparently are very happy with his work. Only good thing this franchise has done the last 5 years was manage to finish last overall in 2013 and people are upset that the fans are expecting more. Too funny.
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Post by Porkchop on Dec 11, 2014 12:19:42 GMT -4
Darcy is gone... Jérôme Bérubé retweeted Phœnix de Sherbrooke ?@phoenixsherbroo · 3m3 minutes ago Le Phoenix de Sherbrooke a acquis les services de l'attaquant @cdarcy19 des cbsehockey en retour d'un choix de 4e ronde en 2017! #LHJMQ Lots of talent on that PP...the two Swiss, Audette, darcy and J.Roy. probably a performance claus in there somewhere....or the 2017 pick is coming back for another player at the draft.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 11, 2014 12:21:05 GMT -4
Darcy is gone... Jérôme Bérubé retweeted Phœnix de Sherbrooke ?@phoenixsherbroo · 3m3 minutes ago Le Phoenix de Sherbrooke a acquis les services de l'attaquant @cdarcy19 des cbsehockey en retour d'un choix de 4e ronde en 2017! #LHJMQ Lots of talent on that PP...the two Swiss, Audette, darcy and J.Roy. probably a performance claus in there somewhere....or the 2017 pick is coming back for another player at the draft. Possible but certainly not probable by any means. It's probable the trade is simply as is.
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Post by Porkchop on Dec 11, 2014 12:23:12 GMT -4
probably a performance claus in there somewhere....or the 2017 pick is coming back for another player at the draft. Possible but certainly not probable by any means. It's probable the trade is simply as is. that's possible...it's just that the norm for using picks 2 drafts away is that it's just a place holder.
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Post by caperguy on Dec 11, 2014 12:27:30 GMT -4
Darcy wasn't doing anything and there was no signs and no reason to believe things would turn around. Whatever the reason, it wasn't working. Hinds already has 2 points in 2 games. Give the kid a chance here. If he has more positive effect on the team in any way than his predecessor, than it's a good move. If we wait to decide in January and the situation hasn't changed, maybe we get nothing for Darcy.
The knee jerk reaction on this board is laughable sometimes.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 11, 2014 12:28:09 GMT -4
Possible but certainly not probable by any means. It's probable the trade is simply as is. that's possible...it's just that the norm for using picks 2 drafts away is that it's just a place holder. For 1sts maybe in bigger deals, not for 4ths involving malcontents who were being sent as far away from the team as possible. If Darcy had the value to bring back anything else I don't think he ends up in Sherbrooke.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 11, 2014 12:32:55 GMT -4
Darcy wasn't doing anything and there was no signs and no reason to believe things would turn around. Whatever the reason, it wasn't working. Hinds already has 2 points in 2 games. Give the kid a chance here. If he has more positive effect on the team in any way than his predecessor, than it's a good move. If we wait to decide in January and the situation hasn't changed, maybe we get nothing for Darcy. The knee jerk reaction on this board is laughable sometimes. The team is in 17th place and traded Darcy for Hinds. What is knee jerk about the reaction? At what point does the franchise stop being a doormat for the rest of the QMJHL? Are we not supposed to have higher expectations? Look at where we are now. Go back to the pre-season and look at where probably ~95% of people in the league had us pegged and you'll realize there's nothing knee jerk about the reaction. I suppose it's better to A) Stick your head in the sand or B) Not care. Seems like those are the only options some people will accept when it comes to this team because you're not supposed to be negative or see issue in moves like this. I do agree that I hope Hinds stabilizes things a bit. That doesn't take anything away from the awful smell coming off of the entire Darcy situation.
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Post by jamesnorris on Dec 11, 2014 12:35:42 GMT -4
Oh great, now everyone is going to shit on Dumont as a GM too What the hell did you expect CB to get for Darcy? I've read people say CB fans deserve a championship team but it's times like this when that statement is completely false. You realize the complaints are due to the fact that in September Darcy was worth something like a 1st and 3rd and 3 months later he was worth a 4th, right? You can try to stop bashing the entire fan base and try having normal discussions with posters you disagree with. Perhaps share some insight, some facts, some history which may back up your opinion. How do you think Dumont has done lately? Personally I don't think there's enough shit to dump on him for how far we've fallen. I don't remember 1 person saying Dumont should trade Darcy when he was sent down lol in fact I think if he traded Darcy then, people would have went crazy. I actually remember you saying that if CB traded Darcy they weren't going for it and if they traded Legare they were going for it. How did your theory work out for you? Wait, you called it a fact back then. From the looks of it, the biggest asset in the Darcy trade is no longer having Darcy on the roster. But you keep acting like a team with 4 players over the age 18 should be in first place in the standings and not winning it all this year would be the end of the world!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 11, 2014 12:44:08 GMT -4
You realize the complaints are due to the fact that in September Darcy was worth something like a 1st and 3rd and 3 months later he was worth a 4th, right? You can try to stop bashing the entire fan base and try having normal discussions with posters you disagree with. Perhaps share some insight, some facts, some history which may back up your opinion. How do you think Dumont has done lately? Personally I don't think there's enough shit to dump on him for how far we've fallen. I don't remember 1 person saying Dumont should trade Darcy when he was sent down lol in fact I think if he traded Darcy then, people would have went crazy. I actually remember you saying that if CB traded Darcy they weren't going for it and if they traded Legare they were going for it. How did your theory work out for you? Wait, you called it a fact back then. From the looks of it, the biggest asset in the Darcy trade is no longer having Darcy on the roster. But you keep acting like a team with 4 players over the age 18 should be in first place in the standings and not winning it all this year would be the end of the world! The team should not be in first. It also should not be in 17th place. Do we simply ignore the questionable decisions that have been made and that have led to players like Darcy(and others depending who you believe) wanting to continue their hockey careers elsewhere? We're getting closer to going back to the 2012 era of all our top picks bailing for Jr.A. because ownership waited too long to address a serious issue then we are to moving forward and taking the next step. The longer stuff like this goes on with no input/comments/changes from ownership then the longer we go from getting back to simply being even an average Q team and this market likely can't and won't support that direction. At least 1 poster noticed the laughable crowd at a recent Friday home game. Apparently the community agrees that what they're seeing is not something they are liking or can get behind. They certainly were out in full force in September after all the optimism though. You should have given your opinion then that the team was going to suck so that they could have all saved their money.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 11, 2014 12:48:08 GMT -4
Oh great, now everyone is going to shit on Dumont as a GM too What the hell did you expect CB to get for Darcy? I've read people say CB fans deserve a championship team but it's times like this when that statement is completely false. Who the hell says you deserve a championship team ? Mismanagement doesn't deserve anything more than what it brings you. More handouts for Cape Breton I guess ... is that what you want ?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 11, 2014 12:53:41 GMT -4
Oh great, now everyone is going to shit on Dumont as a GM too What the hell did you expect CB to get for Darcy? I've read people say CB fans deserve a championship team but it's times like this when that statement is completely false. Who the hell says you deserve a championship team ? Mismanagement doesn't deserve anything more than what it brings you. More handouts for Cape Breton I guess ... is that what you want ? Yeah more government money for the team to throw at another laughable Mem Cup bid perhaps. Cape Breton judges itself based on its own perception of itself, not how everyone else is operating. A lot of people have that attitude as it's passed down through the generations. I prefer to look at how we are vs how everyone else is. I do think there's a group of fans who have followed and supported the team since day 1 that do deserve success. But no different then the fans in PEI or Chicoutimi for example. We all deserve a little taste of winning, but we need to earn it though proper management and coaching and smart drafting like everyone else. We have fallen way too short of some of those goals lately. Some of us can call a spade a spade and acknowledge that while others want to attack the messenger rather then the message. To each their own I suppose.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 11, 2014 12:58:31 GMT -4
I've said it before and I will say it again,this organization has been nothing but a three ring circs since Pascal Vincent departed some five or six years ago. It's about time that those who drive thebus (owners) bite the bullet and bring someone in here who knows what the hell they are doing.
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Post by theqprofessor on Dec 11, 2014 12:59:33 GMT -4
I hear there is more to the trade than the 4th in 2017, I couldn't squeeze anymore information at this time, but be patient and wait until the 19th
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Post by goeagles on Dec 11, 2014 13:01:13 GMT -4
I think there was a lot of hype surrounding this team. Most experts who predict had us winning the division. I thought this team was going to do well also. Having said that Dumont has always made it clear thathis go for it year was next year. I am not crazy how he has coached this team the last two years and am still concerned about it but am willing to give him a pass if he does not touch his core group. In my opinion that is Bishop, Pelletier, Svechnikov, Lazerev and Dubois up front, Leveille, Lalonde and Bell on the back. If he gets rid of any of them this trading period and does not give them the ice to become leaders then his go for it year being next year is out the window. He can use all of his future picks and a couple of his picks from last year to get a quality number one goalie, a top 4 defenseman and a forward or two. We are in 17th place, that is ugly and a direct cause of under performing by the players, injuries and coaching. I suspect we will finish around 10 to 14 and hope to get to round 2 giving the above group of 8 experience to lead and win next year. We will see but I am with him if gets through this trading period keeping that core. Would like him to hire a coach or at least an experienced, knowldgeable assistant who can contribute.
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Post by jamesnorris on Dec 11, 2014 13:02:25 GMT -4
The team should not be in first. It also should not be in 17th place. Do we simply ignore the questionable decisions that have been made and that have led to players like Darcy(and others depending who you believe) wanting to continue their hockey careers elsewhere? We're getting closer to going back to the 2012 era of all our top picks bailing for Jr.A. because ownership waited too long to address a serious issue then we are to moving forward and taking the next step. The longer stuff like this goes on with no input/comments/changes from ownership then the longer we go from getting back to simply being even an average Q team and this market likely can't and won't support that direction. At least 1 poster noticed the laughable crowd at a recent Friday home game. Apparently the community agrees that what they're seeing is not something they are liking or can get behind. They certainly were out in full force in September after all the optimism though. You should have given your opinion then that the team was going to suck so that they could have all saved their money. They probably shouldn't be in 17th place but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. What are all these questionable decisions as a GM? Darcy has a history of bailing on teams and you're going to blame Dumont? You yourself had Legare out the door the day Darcy got sent back so don't try to be Captain Hindsight. 2012 comparison might be the peak of your melodrama lol there's no comparison to be made. Oh wait, now you're suggesting that a young team not being a contender might mean the team moves! The peak got higher. Crowd can be laughable all day, the ticket sales were around average for CB. My opinion was to wait n see. I wasn't sold on them being back-to-back contenders like yourself but they obviously had a lot of young pieces for next year. If they had a good first half I probably could have got behind the back-to-back contention idea but I wasn't expecting it. Seems like my approach worked. I didn't set my expectations too high and then freak the fuck out when they weren't met. The team has 0 impact 19 year olds and the same # of overagers that everyone else is allowed, it's not like they're doomed for next year if they don't win this year.
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