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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 18, 2014 13:58:59 GMT -4
Well this makes me feel pretty angry... or... mad?... or ready to boycott the moose? or the herald?... umm. What are we supposed to be feeling, according to you? The story already broke weeks ago and people shared their opinions then. I don't know what the papers have/have not reported on it over the last few weeks as i'm a casual reader and don't read them all daily. But I will say that if 1 paper went out of its way to try and avoid reporting on a drug charge because of who is involved then as a reader and fan of the team I would be pretty upset that it's not reported on as that may change my view of supporting the team if I believe they're trying to lessen the impact of a 20yr old being charged with possession of a drug when that same player could have a 16yr old teammates who are told to look up to the leaders in their dressing room. I only say that as I don't recall reading anything about a cocaine charge weeks ago. Just that it was a DUI involving potentially open liquor. I found that added wrinkle very surprising, but again, I don't live in Halifax and perhaps that had always been reported on. Yeah I think this is the first time they mentioned a drug charge. Vuic hasn't been playing as far as I know. Personally I think they should release him. This is probably his last year and I don't think he offers a lot to the team, especially with everything that has happened.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 18, 2014 14:20:09 GMT -4
I don't know what the papers have/have not reported on it over the last few weeks as i'm a casual reader and don't read them all daily. But I will say that if 1 paper went out of its way to try and avoid reporting on a drug charge because of who is involved then as a reader and fan of the team I would be pretty upset that it's not reported on as that may change my view of supporting the team if I believe they're trying to lessen the impact of a 20yr old being charged with possession of a drug when that same player could have a 16yr old teammates who are told to look up to the leaders in their dressing room. I only say that as I don't recall reading anything about a cocaine charge weeks ago. Just that it was a DUI involving potentially open liquor. I found that added wrinkle very surprising, but again, I don't live in Halifax and perhaps that had always been reported on. Yeah I think this is the first time they mentioned a drug charge. Vuic hasn't been playing as far as I know. Personally I think they should release him. This is probably his last year and I don't think he offers a lot to the team, especially with everything that has happened. He has played was only suspended for 3 weeks came back Oct 24, was a scratch for the home and home this past weekend but has played in the games before that dating back to Oct 24, I completely agree with Stienburg and CrazyJoe give the kid a second chance, it's not easy the situation there in and before someone rips my head off I'm not condoing what he's done; I simply am saying as a Moosehead Season ticket holder I admire the team for standing by him. I disagree I think we need him, he does his job very well we need him to protect Ehlers, to Protect Meier, to protect the kids when other teams are going to take cheap shots at them. (And I'm sure for most parent's if it was your kid you'd be screaming for a second chance)
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 18, 2014 14:33:53 GMT -4
I don't know what the papers have/have not reported on it over the last few weeks as i'm a casual reader and don't read them all daily. But I will say that if 1 paper went out of its way to try and avoid reporting on a drug charge because of who is involved then as a reader and fan of the team I would be pretty upset that it's not reported on as that may change my view of supporting the team if I believe they're trying to lessen the impact of a 20yr old being charged with possession of a drug when that same player could have a 16yr old teammates who are told to look up to the leaders in their dressing room. I only say that as I don't recall reading anything about a cocaine charge weeks ago. Just that it was a DUI involving potentially open liquor. I found that added wrinkle very surprising, but again, I don't live in Halifax and perhaps that had always been reported on. Yeah I think this is the first time they mentioned a drug charge. Vuic hasn't been playing as far as I know. Personally I think they should release him. This is probably his last year and I don't think he offers a lot to the team, especially with everything that has happened. The original write-ups, and followup columns/media reports, talked about the potential drug issue here as well. I think we all knew he would be appearing in court to face these charges. If he is found guilty, and/or released from the team, then that is obviously news worth reporting as he is in the public eye (locally). Until then, IMO, its a team/Vuic/police thing and I don't think it needs special media coverage - maybe others disagree.
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Post by guru on Nov 18, 2014 15:08:10 GMT -4
The Metro News continues to update us on this. Seems like the Herald was a reluctant participant when the news first broke and don't appear to have any interest in this story now. The Herald fears the Mooseheads because it is a big source of ad revenue and Web traffic for them. Well this makes me feel pretty angry... or... mad?... or ready to boycott the moose? or the herald?... umm. What are we supposed to be feeling, according to you? The story already broke weeks ago and people shared their opinions then. I'm not sure what I want you to feel. There have been online articles citing the Herald's lack of reporting and conflicts of interest as of late. So I guess I shouldn't be shocked they aren't keeping the readers up-to-date on Vuic? Do I really care about the case? No. This is a principal thing for me, the Herald softballing the Mooseheads.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 18, 2014 15:18:27 GMT -4
If it is either one type of coverage or the other, I would rather know the kind of stuff Palov is reporting now, than hear about all the dirty little secrets. If revealing all the bad stuff jeopardizes the coverage we get now, then I could do without hearing the bad stuff.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 18, 2014 16:30:34 GMT -4
If it is either one type of coverage or the other, I would rather know the kind of stuff Palov is reporting now, than hear about all the dirty little secrets. If revealing all the bad stuff jeopardizes the coverage we get now, then I could do without hearing the bad stuff. What coverage do you feel you're getting now? Palov has kind of mailed it in lately imo. Perhaps its due to cutbacks but his 1 or 2 weekly articles and game recaps are not exactly filled with detailed inside info that only he could get thanks to some sort of relationship with the team. Based on this outcome i'm almost inclined to agree with guru that the outcome of this is something that should have been uncovered and reported weeks ago.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 18, 2014 16:32:11 GMT -4
Yeah I think this is the first time they mentioned a drug charge. Vuic hasn't been playing as far as I know. Personally I think they should release him. This is probably his last year and I don't think he offers a lot to the team, especially with everything that has happened. He has played was only suspended for 3 weeks came back Oct 24, was a scratch for the home and home this past weekend but has played in the games before that dating back to Oct 24, I completely agree with Stienburg and CrazyJoe give the kid a second chance, it's not easy the situation there in and before someone rips my head off I'm not condoing what he's done; I simply am saying as a Moosehead Season ticket holder I admire the team for standing by him. I disagree I think we need him, he does his job very well we need him to protect Ehlers, to Protect Meier, to protect the kids when other teams are going to take cheap shots at them. (And I'm sure for most parent's if it was your kid you'd be screaming for a second chance) I think when you have teammates that are minors and are dealing in DUI's and cocaine possession that the team needs to completely seperate that individual from the rest of the team for everyones own good. You can help the guy get help without putting him back on the ice. I agree with supporting him, but not through putting him back on the ice. Release him and help him through his medical issues and more importantly do whats best for the 22 players remaining.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 18, 2014 17:02:34 GMT -4
If it is either one type of coverage or the other, I would rather know the kind of stuff Palov is reporting now, than hear about all the dirty little secrets. If revealing all the bad stuff jeopardizes the coverage we get now, then I could do without hearing the bad stuff. What coverage do you feel you're getting now? Palov has kind of mailed it in lately imo. Perhaps its due to cutbacks but his 1 or 2 weekly articles and game recaps are not exactly filled with detailed inside info that only he could get thanks to some sort of relationship with the team. Based on this outcome i'm almost inclined to agree with guru that the outcome of this is something that should have been uncovered and reported weeks ago. You are right Jack. There isn't really a lot of coverage. Basically reviewing the games and the odd article. I guess I just mean the content of what Palov does write when we do get something from him. I guess I am kind of contradicting myself, but something like this that is a legitimate story of interest for Mooseheads fans should be covered. I think the new Mooseheads guy Scott Macintosh writes most of the team interest stuff. I don't know if that is why Palov doesn't write as much these days.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 18, 2014 17:17:57 GMT -4
He has played was only suspended for 3 weeks came back Oct 24, was a scratch for the home and home this past weekend but has played in the games before that dating back to Oct 24, I completely agree with Stienburg and CrazyJoe give the kid a second chance, it's not easy the situation there in and before someone rips my head off I'm not condoing what he's done; I simply am saying as a Moosehead Season ticket holder I admire the team for standing by him. I disagree I think we need him, he does his job very well we need him to protect Ehlers, to Protect Meier, to protect the kids when other teams are going to take cheap shots at them. (And I'm sure for most parent's if it was your kid you'd be screaming for a second chance) I think when you have teammates that are minors and are dealing in DUI's and cocaine possession that the team needs to completely seperate that individual from the rest of the team for everyones own good. You can help the guy get help without putting him back on the ice. I agree with supporting him, but not through putting him back on the ice. Release him and help him through his medical issues and more importantly do whats best for the 22 players remaining. Sure ... but innocent until proven guilty still holds true. So the team stands with him until it is proven that he broke the law and team rules ... and then you release him into the care of his parents. The league also has substance abuse rules that may give the Mooseheads no choice but to release him. But there is also this issue ... the Mooseheads have no business whatsoever knowing what is going on as this is a criminal matter between Vuic and his lawyer ... and the Police and Prosecutor. For Vuic to tell them what is going on could jeopardize his defense ... and he certainly won't talk to the media. The Mooseheads also have zero right to inform the media what is going on. All they can talk about is his involvement with the team.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 18, 2014 17:32:15 GMT -4
I think when you have teammates that are minors and are dealing in DUI's and cocaine possession that the team needs to completely seperate that individual from the rest of the team for everyones own good. You can help the guy get help without putting him back on the ice. I agree with supporting him, but not through putting him back on the ice. Release him and help him through his medical issues and more importantly do whats best for the 22 players remaining. Sure ... but innocent until proven guilty still holds true. So the team stands with him until it is proven that he broke the law and team rules ... and then you release him into the care of his parents. The league also has substance abuse rules that may give the Mooseheads no choice but to release him. But there is also this issue ... the Mooseheads have no business whatsoever knowing what is going on as this is a criminal matter between Vuic and his lawyer ... and the Police and Prosecutor. For Vuic to tell them what is going on could jeopardize his defense ... and he certainly won't talk to the media. The Mooseheads also have zero right to inform the media what is going on. All they can talk about is his involvement with the team. Are they not the exact scenarios where journalists are taught to use their best investigative talents to uncover the story for the public? Nobody is really criticizing the team as we all agree their keeping quiet is to be expected. Same can't and shouldn't be said for the regions largest daily newspaper. I would say that the teams decisions are likely made for them through consultation with the league. That should have nothing to do with the newspaper though.
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Post by MikeC on Nov 18, 2014 17:59:56 GMT -4
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 18, 2014 18:31:00 GMT -4
Sure ... but innocent until proven guilty still holds true. So the team stands with him until it is proven that he broke the law and team rules ... and then you release him into the care of his parents. The league also has substance abuse rules that may give the Mooseheads no choice but to release him. But there is also this issue ... the Mooseheads have no business whatsoever knowing what is going on as this is a criminal matter between Vuic and his lawyer ... and the Police and Prosecutor. For Vuic to tell them what is going on could jeopardize his defense ... and he certainly won't talk to the media. The Mooseheads also have zero right to inform the media what is going on. All they can talk about is his involvement with the team. Are they not the exact scenarios where journalists are taught to use their best investigative talents to uncover the story for the public? Nobody is really criticizing the team as we all agree their keeping quiet is to be expected. Same can't and shouldn't be said for the regions largest daily newspaper. I would say that the teams decisions are likely made for them through consultation with the league. That should have nothing to do with the newspaper though. What is there to investigate ... all of the information that police are able to give out is out. He crashed ...faces DUI charges ... and now drug charges. The rest will be determined in a court of law. What more do you want ?
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Post by guru on Nov 18, 2014 18:53:33 GMT -4
Very late. Metro News was on this yesterday. Like I said, the Herald is reluctant
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 18, 2014 20:23:30 GMT -4
Sure ... but innocent until proven guilty still holds true. So the team stands with him until it is proven that he broke the law and team rules ... and then you release him into the care of his parents. The league also has substance abuse rules that may give the Mooseheads no choice but to release him. But there is also this issue ... the Mooseheads have no business whatsoever knowing what is going on as this is a criminal matter between Vuic and his lawyer ... and the Police and Prosecutor. For Vuic to tell them what is going on could jeopardize his defense ... and he certainly won't talk to the media. The Mooseheads also have zero right to inform the media what is going on. All they can talk about is his involvement with the team. Are they not the exact scenarios where journalists are taught to use their best investigative talents to uncover the story for the public? Nobody is really criticizing the team as we all agree their keeping quiet is to be expected. Same can't and shouldn't be said for the regions largest daily newspaper. I would say that the teams decisions are likely made for them through consultation with the league. That should have nothing to do with the newspaper though. LOL this isnt some star with great interest to everyone, I could see the puck bunny interest but really what is the appeal of a minor hockey player. If anything he is a good example to the other players of why its bad to let drugs get a hold of you. Its a life lesson not something that hits the point by reading a paper.
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Post by MikeC on Nov 18, 2014 20:39:09 GMT -4
Very late. Metro News was on this yesterday. Like I said, the Herald is reluctant Very late? The arraignment was today. The Herald reported today. I guess the Metro appeals to people who must not have a very good attention span and need to be constantly reminded of things they have already been told.
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