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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 14, 2014 16:38:37 GMT -4
Like it or not, Vuic is probably done in Halifax, in large part because he is a role player and not a star. That's how competitive sports are.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Oct 14, 2014 16:39:28 GMT -4
The coke thing will undoubtedly be something the general 9-5er, family type will see as something very shocking and he will be vilified to no end for. When in reality quite a few older players in this league are recreational drug users, whether it be coke, mdma or weed. I know for a fact a group of players from our Memorial Cup team were basically full blown potheads. Less serious of a problem, but recreational drug use is something all teenagers experiment with. Being a hockey player doesn't exclude you from it.
However, being drunk and high on a Tuesday night at 10:30 is a little alarming. But I guess those are the nights the players can enjoy themselves with whatever they wish to partake in since they play every weekend. To lighten the mood a bit, maybe he was just trying to get home before curfew? lol
Sounds like Vuic has a tough road ahead of him with so much publicity headed his way surrounding this issue. Drug use is something we all know is pretty rampant and seems to go hand-in-hand with enforcers and we've all heard the sad and eye-opening tales of tough guys that have passed away or taken their own life due to the stress and addictions of their role in hockey.
I think as knowledgeable hockey fans we should go easy on this young man at a very trying time in his life and hope he can turn it around and return to the ice some day.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Oct 14, 2014 16:50:15 GMT -4
As I tweeted yesterday, the team is standing by him and I personally think the Halifax fan base should as well; fortunately no one was hurt and the kid made a mistake. 1) No one gives a shit what you tweeted. 2) Who are you to tell anyone what their opinions should be? 3) Made a mistake? Glad you can brush it off as a mistake because you obsess about the team in an unhealthy way, but drinking and driving is a lot more serious than you make it sound. If people would stop thinking like you are here, we'd have a lot less people doing it, and a lot less innocent victims. Personally, I hope his bags are packed and he's on a plane back to Ontario as soon as possible. Sorry to disappoint you. I never told anyone what their opinion should be, that's my personal opinion I believe in second chances once you get help. I don't condone drinking and driving at all; all I was trying to say is that the team has decided to support him and I think the Halifax fans should as well if they choose not too I'm not going to judge or condone them. I just hope he gets the help he needs in the proper way, as has been said if you just ship him home it may get a lot worse so how about getting him the help he needs at a treatment center if necessary.
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Post by mikeman on Oct 14, 2014 17:30:51 GMT -4
FWIW there was an off duty RCMP officer on the scene almost immediately. And he saw everything but the collision. He saw the driver of the vehicle step out and unfortunately saw the other incidents after the collision. So, for those of you who feel it's best to pack this young man's bags and point him back to the steel city, maybe take a sec and think about some other recent athletes in a similar role as Mr. Vuic before you make recommendations that you really may not have thought through. Belak, boogeyman, Kordic, etc... I believe he's a good kid who was told coke is a way to beat any drug tests within 24 hrs or so. But he got in over his head. Given that he won't be driving for some time I'd hope the moose will stick with him. They are an amazing franchise and now isn't the time to kick a kid to the curb. Anyone here ever not have a pop after gents hockey? Ever go over the speed limit in a residential area? Pass on a solid line or run a red light, even by mistake? Yes this is bigger, which is why he needs guidance and not direction to Ontario. I hope he is able to get help and can come back. He's a great young man with his teammates and we don't know any hardships he's faced in his personal life that would lead him down this road.
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Post by Hot Water on Oct 14, 2014 18:25:01 GMT -4
Often times people, and especially young ones, need your help the most when they seem to deserve it the least.
I'm glad the Mooseheads aren't turning their back on Vuic and I hope he gets all the support and guidance he needs to bounce back from this. I won't speculate if this is a serious substance abuse issue for him or whether a wild night led into a stupid and dangerous decision, but it's a cause for concern regardless. Despite being an adult technically, I think the Mooseheads owe all their players a certain duty of care.
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Post by mikeman on Oct 14, 2014 18:28:05 GMT -4
+1000000000000
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Post by guru on Oct 14, 2014 18:30:13 GMT -4
I agree with Hot Water.
Also, I hope Vuic jersey sales skyrocket!
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Post by tday79 on Oct 14, 2014 18:49:10 GMT -4
I bought a vuic jersey last year. Went to antlers and the girl was like umm what number is he ha ha
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Post by mikeman on Oct 14, 2014 19:05:49 GMT -4
If he is charged, maybe it will be called a VUI? Bad joke. Just having fun with it. I really hope he stays and gets help and is there for the team down the stretch. The team can rally around this to help him.
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Post by Gman on Oct 14, 2014 21:42:09 GMT -4
Sorry for snapping at you hfx. People have different opinions and thoughts on the severity of these actions.
If the player has a substance abuse problem, or needs help, I fully expect the organization to do whatever they can to assist. I'm all for that.
I see ads on TV all the time pleading with people to make responsible decisions and my blood literally boils when I hear of people who chose to put others lives in danger for their own selfishness.
Too many people making light of what he did, and it gets me angry. I can't go easy on him because he's a kid. He's old enough to know better.
That's enough on this topic for me. My opinion seems to be unpopular.
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Post by Hot Water on Oct 15, 2014 6:34:29 GMT -4
You act like everyone is clamouring to get him back in the lineup as soon as possible because they don't see the big deal about a silly drinking and driving charge anyway.
No one is dismissing what he did. I hope he gets prosecuted by the police in the same way any other 19 year old would in his situation.
But that doesn't mean I don't want to see him get help either.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 15, 2014 8:24:34 GMT -4
The entire “over the legal limit” issue is a big part of the problem. When a driver is forced to decide on whether they are over or under 0.08 ... or over 0.05 (24 hr suspension) ... without any clue on what their actual BAC is ... you are asking a person to decide without having the information they need. This unarmed decision they have to make is a big part of the problem.
Instead of having the legal limit of 0.08 ... why not make it 0.00 ... taking that complex decision away from the guy that is slightly intoxicated and already in a bad position to make that decision. The decision becomes simple ... I had a drink ... I can’t drive. I know this idea will see heavy opposition because many like a drink at lunch. Good luck getting the politicians to agree as many deals they make are over a few drinks. Our lifestyle would have a difficult time adapting.
Then on to the new pocket breathalyzer devices that you can buy for $5 or $10. I have one that plugs into my cellphone. We had it at a NYE party a year or so ago and had everybody give it a try after we’d been drinking for a few hours. I blew 0.046 after having about 6 drinks and felt like I was well over the limit and too intoxicated to drive. If I was using that to make a decision on driving or not (I was home ... wasn’t driving anyways) then that becomes a real problem. These things are garbage and you get what you pay for ... don’t rely on them to make a decision on driving. Somebody else who had about the same as me blew close to 0.16. Don’t trust these things.
A good friend of mine sells the Ignition Interlock devices, and also sells portable breathalyzer units for about $120. These work well, and they require an annual calibration each year.
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Post by mikeman on Oct 15, 2014 10:00:37 GMT -4
If there's ever any talk of having zero tolerance, I'd hope the cell phone whilst driving fines/charges also carry a license suspension immediately to match that of the alcohol/drug zero tolerance fines/charges. That to me is more dangerous than a gents hockey player having 2 beer after playing or watching a hockey game and driving. The Interlock device is something I'd like to look into. For myself and my children who will be driving very soon.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 15, 2014 13:19:35 GMT -4
If there's ever any talk of having zero tolerance, I'd hope the cell phone whilst driving fines/charges also carry a license suspension immediately to match that of the alcohol/drug zero tolerance fines/charges. That to me is more dangerous than a gents hockey player having 2 beer after playing or watching a hockey game and driving. The Interlock device is something I'd like to look into. For myself and my children who will be driving very soon. I'm not going to encourage anybody to drink and drive...but it's a lot like speeding. If the speed limit is 80 and you drive 85 or 90, chances are you're not putting anybody in mortal danger by being around you. But if the speed limit is 80 and you go 120 or 130 then you are probably a pretty big risk to those on that road. By driving a vehicle at 0.05 or 0.07 you are affected by the alcohol but not enough to make a tangible difference. That's not in the same stratosphere as the guy that's piss drunk and crashes because he's at 0.25 or 0.28 and can barely stand up. That's why a zero tolerance makes no sense.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 15, 2014 13:31:59 GMT -4
If there's ever any talk of having zero tolerance, I'd hope the cell phone whilst driving fines/charges also carry a license suspension immediately to match that of the alcohol/drug zero tolerance fines/charges. That to me is more dangerous than a gents hockey player having 2 beer after playing or watching a hockey game and driving. The Interlock device is something I'd like to look into. For myself and my children who will be driving very soon. I'm not going to encourage anybody to drink and drive...but it's a lot like speeding. If the speed limit is 80 and you drive 85 or 90, chances are you're not putting anybody in mortal danger by being around you. But if the speed limit is 80 and you go 120 or 130 then you are probably a pretty big risk to those on that road. By driving a vehicle at 0.05 or 0.07 you are affected by the alcohol but not enough to make a tangible difference. That's not in the same stratosphere as the guy that's piss drunk and crashes because he's at 0.25 or 0.28 and can barely stand up. That's why a zero tolerance makes no sense. You missed the entire concept. Nobody knows when they are 0.05 or 0.07 ... or 0.081. So take that decision out of the equation. We are asking people to know when they are over 0.08. I know when i'm shitfaced but I don't always know when i'm over point 0.08. The legal concept is disconnected. How can I know when i'm over the limit if i've only had a few drinks ? I know when i'm speeding ... I have a gauge for that.
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