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Post by guru on Oct 16, 2014 15:37:43 GMT -4
If a person who has access to inside information (Palov in Halifax for example) begins writing expose' pieces left and right… then he's quickly going to lose access to that information. That shouldn't be hard to figure out. I'm sure Palov knew the details of the Vuic arrest within 24 hours of it happening, and I bet Cam told him to sit on it for a few days as the investigation continued on. Big deal. What exactly do we gain from hearing about it 3 days earlier? Any comparisons to how the media handled Vuic's situation and how the LA Times would handle someone like a Kobe Bryant's DUI are laughable. As far as the whole idea of "investigative journalism" in junior hockey goes, I think you guys are overestimating just how much of a market there would be for this type of stuff, and how much material there is to 'expose' so to speak. Someone asked the question earlier but it's worth repeating again - What exactly do you want to know about these KIDS that you don't already know? When your answer to that is a 4-year old contract situation (Duclar) that happened 1200 kms away in a different province…. it's obviously not worth the Herald's time to hire an additional reporter or for Palov to piss away his livelihood just so you can get the juicy details on how much Player X got paid to report, or what the real reason player Y didn't show up to training camp was. Which brings me to my last point - a lot of these things are really none of your business! Just because you're curious about something doesn't give you the right to know about it. We're talking about a 16 year old kid and his families decision at the time. If it really upsets you that much that you're in the dark on the exact dollar figure he got then you need to get a life. We gain nothing, but the principle of the Mooseheads controlling the Herald is a problem. How do you not see that? I'm sure there are many other instances of this. We don't need investigative journalism every week, but when there is something to be investigated why not? I guarantee you it would make national news (this is a hockey nation) and get airtime on Prime Time Sports if an expose on what players receive when drafted in junior and other kickbacks. You also are totally missing the point that if these things are exposed, the league would tighten things up.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 16, 2014 16:32:07 GMT -4
If a person who has access to inside information (Palov in Halifax for example) begins writing expose' pieces left and right… then he's quickly going to lose access to that information. That shouldn't be hard to figure out. I'm sure Palov knew the details of the Vuic arrest within 24 hours of it happening, and I bet Cam told him to sit on it for a few days as the investigation continued on. Big deal. What exactly do we gain from hearing about it 3 days earlier? Any comparisons to how the media handled Vuic's situation and how the LA Times would handle someone like a Kobe Bryant's DUI are laughable. As far as the whole idea of "investigative journalism" in junior hockey goes, I think you guys are overestimating just how much of a market there would be for this type of stuff, and how much material there is to 'expose' so to speak. Someone asked the question earlier but it's worth repeating again - What exactly do you want to know about these KIDS that you don't already know? When your answer to that is a 4-year old contract situation (Duclar) that happened 1200 kms away in a different province…. it's obviously not worth the Herald's time to hire an additional reporter or for Palov to piss away his livelihood just so you can get the juicy details on how much Player X got paid to report, or what the real reason player Y didn't show up to training camp was. Which brings me to my last point - a lot of these things are really none of your business! Just because you're curious about something doesn't give you the right to know about it. We're talking about a 16 year old kid and his families decision at the time. If it really upsets you that much that you're in the dark on the exact dollar figure he got then you need to get a life. We gain nothing, but the principle of the Mooseheads controlling the Herald is a problem. How do you not see that? I'm sure there are many other instances of this. We don't need investigative journalism every week, but when there is something to be investigated why not? I guarantee you it would make national news (this is a hockey nation) and get airtime on Prime Time Sports if an expose on what players receive when drafted in junior and other kickbacks. You also are totally missing the point that if these things are exposed, the league would tighten things up. Tighten what up? It's like you think the CHL has NCAA rules which are being abused. You don't seem to get the fact that the CHL has more liberal rules to get those kids to play here. Tightening it up to me indicates you want Duclair out of the league for some reason due to a rumored special package. Keep in mind the rumored special package could literally be anything from an extra $30 per week then his age group to 4 years fully paid at an NCAA university and neither is technically illegal. You want the Herald to put more money behind Palov's investigative reporting to rid the league of the MacKinnon's and Duclair's which in turn means less people paying to attend and less people caring enough to buy the newspaper. You want them to invest in their own downfall in the name of getting inside info such as what a 16yr old gets paid. Good luck legally finding that info by the way. It's not the NHL with 20 hands involved in a negotiation from 2 sides. You're grasping is hilarious. This isn't the NCAA in any way yet you want NCAA coverage and refuse to see the situation for its reality.
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Post by Hot Water on Oct 16, 2014 17:25:28 GMT -4
If a person who has access to inside information (Palov in Halifax for example) begins writing expose' pieces left and right… then he's quickly going to lose access to that information. That shouldn't be hard to figure out. I'm sure Palov knew the details of the Vuic arrest within 24 hours of it happening, and I bet Cam told him to sit on it for a few days as the investigation continued on. Big deal. What exactly do we gain from hearing about it 3 days earlier? Any comparisons to how the media handled Vuic's situation and how the LA Times would handle someone like a Kobe Bryant's DUI are laughable. As far as the whole idea of "investigative journalism" in junior hockey goes, I think you guys are overestimating just how much of a market there would be for this type of stuff, and how much material there is to 'expose' so to speak. Someone asked the question earlier but it's worth repeating again - What exactly do you want to know about these KIDS that you don't already know? When your answer to that is a 4-year old contract situation (Duclar) that happened 1200 kms away in a different province…. it's obviously not worth the Herald's time to hire an additional reporter or for Palov to piss away his livelihood just so you can get the juicy details on how much Player X got paid to report, or what the real reason player Y didn't show up to training camp was. Which brings me to my last point - a lot of these things are really none of your business! Just because you're curious about something doesn't give you the right to know about it. We're talking about a 16 year old kid and his families decision at the time. If it really upsets you that much that you're in the dark on the exact dollar figure he got then you need to get a life. We gain nothing, but the principle of the Mooseheads controlling the Herald is a problem. How do you not see that? I'm sure there are many other instances of this. We don't need investigative journalism every week, but when there is something to be investigated why not? I guarantee you it would make national news (this is a hockey nation) and get airtime on Prime Time Sports if an expose on what players receive when drafted in junior and other kickbacks. You also are totally missing the point that if these things are exposed, the league would tighten things up. What you consider the Mooseheads "controlling the Herald" is what I consider Cam asking Palov for a couple days grace so he could get all the details straightened out and delay the feeding frenzy on a 19-year old kid going through a very sensitive and serious issue. I find it odd and mildly troubling that you find that so unreasonable. Beyond that, you can't really point to any dirt that needs digging up around the Mooseheads or the Q besides rumours on what a few select players receive as benefits or compensation. You make it seem like the lead segment of Sportscentre would be that Duclair got an extra large education package or whatever else, if only someone would nail down the exact details! Most fans do not care. Especially because the teams aren't breaking any rules, so this 'scandal' you speak of isn't a scandal at all.
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Post by guru on Oct 16, 2014 18:51:44 GMT -4
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 17, 2014 6:44:37 GMT -4
Really in this whole issue the Mooseheads should not be saying anything about the incident. These kids come here from away and their parents entrust the team and billets with caring for the kids. They become the parents, and parenting does not end when the kid turns 18.
If you did the same thing as a 19 YO living at home ... and a reporter came knocking on your door ... would your parents give them an interview ?
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Post by mooseinfo on Oct 17, 2014 9:21:07 GMT -4
Really in this whole issue the Mooseheads should not be saying anything about the incident. These kids come here from away and their parents entrust the team and billets with caring for the kids. They become the parents, and parenting does not end when the kid turns 18. If you did the same thing as a 19 YO living at home ... and a reporter came knocking on your door ... would your parents give them an interview ? Exactly, there were close to 80 DUI in HRM last month, that is the bigger issue. Where are the names of all of them. Front page news and pictures because Drama Queen and newspapers want to make headlines for their personal gain from personal pain.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 20, 2014 10:05:20 GMT -4
metronews.ca/voices/urban-compass-halifax/1187943/when-a-player-strays-from-the-herd/Probably the worst story I've ever read from the Metro. Basically bragging that they un-earthed the gory details on a mistake a 19yo made, and the lack of information volunteered by the Mooseheads. No new information. Just accusatory blank statements. I haven't chimmed in on this story because I really don't have a view that hasn't already been expressed. Basically it's a non-issue to me. I hope Vuic gets the help he needs, and I applaude the Mooseheads for helping him rather than just kicking him to the curb. Apparently some think the Moose should've released a statement shaming Vuic to the world, rather than keeping it internal to the team. Don't really know what that would've accomplished. Why put Vuic through more public embarrasment? Pure speculation, but more stress could put him in a very dangerous mental/emotional state. Better to keep situations like this internal for as long as possible IMO. It may get leaked, but time helps heal wounds. I as a fan look out for the well-being of the team and its players more than knowing every little bit of info about the team.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 20, 2014 10:49:00 GMT -4
metronews.ca/voices/urban-compass-halifax/1187943/when-a-player-strays-from-the-herd/Probably the worst story I've ever read from the Metro. Basically bragging that they un-earthed the gory details on a mistake a 19yo made, and the lack of information volunteered by the Mooseheads. No new information. Just accusatory blank statements. I haven't chimmed in on this story because I really don't have a view that hasn't already been expressed. Basically it's a non-issue to me. I hope Vuic gets the help he needs, and I applaude the Mooseheads for helping him rather than just kicking him to the curb. Apparently some think the Moose should've released a statement shaming Vuic to the world, rather than keeping it internal to the team. Don't really know what that would've accomplished. Why put Vuic through more public embarrasment? Pure speculation, but more stress could put him in a very dangerous mental/emotional state. Better to keep situations like this internal for as long as possible IMO. It may get leaked, but time helps heal wounds. I as a fan look out for the well-being of the team and its players more than knowing every little bit of info about the team. That is a strange tone to the article - did Guru write it? lol. They talk about how these guys are role models and visit hospitals and commit to the hockey demands like a pro - and use that as a reason why a bad moment in their life should be announced to all? Shouldn't that be a reason to NOT publicize bad behavior if anything? And yeah, a week later, bringing it all to the forefront again to basically brag that they knew something was up? The feeling this gives me is that they are Eugene Levy and Vuic/Mooseheads are Daryl Hannah (*younger generation head to google this reference)
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Post by guru on Oct 20, 2014 11:14:44 GMT -4
Kimber sucks, call out the Herald, not the Mooseheads. The Metro News probably jumped on reporting this when they saw me bitching on here, so good heads up on them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 11:54:11 GMT -4
Just Kimber trying pathetically to make the Metro seem relevant.
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Post by guru on Oct 20, 2014 12:25:34 GMT -4
Just Kimber trying pathetically to make the Metro seem relevant. They are relevant, their actions forced the Herald's hand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 13:02:36 GMT -4
Just Kimber trying pathetically to make the Metro seem relevant. They are relevant, their actions forced the Herald's hand. Maybe the Metro can buy you a life.
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Post by guru on Oct 20, 2014 13:27:02 GMT -4
They are relevant, their actions forced the Herald's hand. Maybe the Metro can buy you a life. Oh no you didn't!
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Post by wineguy on Oct 20, 2014 13:51:37 GMT -4
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Post by hfxfan09 on Oct 20, 2014 15:44:12 GMT -4
I agree, I applaud the Moose for helping the kid rather than hurt him emotionally and kick to the curb; I think it's time for this story to die didn't anything else happen on the weekend worth reporting. I think the Moose are handling this very well; It's not familiar territory for us.
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