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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 14:18:29 GMT -4
If Crete-Belzile will report to us, getting him at 6 and Bowers are 4 would set us up nicely for Dubois' 19 year old season. Obviously looking quite far in to the future on that one, but we're in good shape.. ..and if both go play NCAA? Then we pick 5th and 7th next year. That's a possibility with every single player when you're talking top 10 picks. Did you notice the post you replied to started with 'IF' ?
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Post by hal on Jun 5, 2015 14:25:32 GMT -4
I'm not ......just funnin man . Would the 37th pick be the 19th pick in the 2nd round or the first pick in the 3rd round . Enjoy the Draft Johnny . By the way if Dumont takes a Dee at 6 ....where does he get his ice time given the current crop we have ?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 14:28:42 GMT -4
I'm not ......just funnin man . Would the 37th pick be the 19th pick in the 2nd round or the first pick in the 3rd round . Enjoy the Draft Johnny . By the way if Dumont takes a Dee at 6 ....where does he get his ice time given the current crop we have ? It depends on how it's awarded. Our 19th pick happens in round 1. From the stage. If our 19th pick was in round 2 it would be done from the team table. If we were awarded a 2nd round compensation pick at 37th overall then it is in round 2. If Dumont takes a D he likely moves a veteran D (Deschamps) to open up some ice time. Beaudin being moved wouldn't shock anyone either in this situation.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Jun 5, 2015 14:29:47 GMT -4
If Bowers is as good as reported, could he not play in our top 6 almost right away? Dubois moved up into the top 6 fairly quickly and did not look out of place.
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Post by emerz on Jun 5, 2015 14:32:04 GMT -4
If Bowers is as good as reported, could he not play in our top 6 almost right away? Dubois moved up into the top 6 fairly quickly and did not look out of place. I'm not sure about right away, I was thinking 3C if we pick him to start off with Martineau/Boucher? and by the end of the year he might find himself in the top 6. Granted I've actually never seen Bowers play, he could very well be top 6 capable from day 1, I don't think that's the best course of action though, get his feet wet against teams bottom pairing defenseman and hopefully he can exploit them having some offensive talent on his wings.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 14:33:51 GMT -4
If Bowers is as good as reported, could he not play in our top 6 almost right away? Dubois moved up into the top 6 fairly quickly and did not look out of place. Do you feel comfortable entering a 3rd/4th round playoff series with a 16yr old 2nd line center at the end of a long season? I think even expecting top 9 is pushing it from any of these top forwards based on our own expectations of contending.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jun 5, 2015 14:35:23 GMT -4
Don't count your Bowers' before they're hatched.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 14:37:08 GMT -4
Don't count your Bowers' before they're hatched. I think Bathurst deals their pick. They'd somehow be the only loser in the Veleno situation if they stayed at 2 and didn't get Veleno or Bowers. Act like a small market and cash out and walk away with a quantity of picks to help re-stock your organization. Almost makes too much sense. We can't lose because we pick 4 in what was a top 3 and is now a top 4.
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Post by breakfastofchamps on Jun 5, 2015 14:37:43 GMT -4
If Bowers is as good as reported, could he not play in our top 6 almost right away? Dubois moved up into the top 6 fairly quickly and did not look out of place. I'm not sure about right away, I was thinking 3C if we pick him to start off with Martineau/Boucher? and by the end of the year he might find himself in the top 6. Granted I've actually never seen Bowers play, he could very well be top 6 capable from day 1, I don't think that's the best course of action though, get his feet wet against teams bottom pairing defenseman and hopefully he can exploit them having some offensive talent on his wings. I think it's more a matter of keeping him at Centre. Looking at the roster it looks like the top 2 Centre positions will be locked down with Dubois and Bishop. He is definitely capable of playing in the top 6, its just a matter of the depth chart and whether or not they would move him to the wing. That said I think he will get 2nd unit pp almost immediately.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Jun 5, 2015 14:38:48 GMT -4
If Bowers is as good as reported, could he not play in our top 6 almost right away? Dubois moved up into the top 6 fairly quickly and did not look out of place. Do you feel comfortable entering a 3rd/4th round playoff series with a 16yr old 2nd line center at the end of a long season? I think even expecting top 9 is pushing it from any of these top forwards based on our own expectations of contending. These kids aren't mackinnion and drouin. JB is right. He can't play top six deep in the playoffs. He will be burnt out. We need another impact forward simple as that. Wait and see on the goaltending situation at xmas. Maybe tweak a D or a 3rd liner then too.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Jun 5, 2015 14:40:28 GMT -4
I have no issue with a 16 year old playing top 6, if he is good enough. Nathan MacKinnon, Jonathan MacKinnon,Sidney Crosby come to mind. Or are we saying that Bowers is not in that elite class? Also we have had 3 young (16) goalies come in and steal the #1 job, Fleury, Houle and roy come to mind. Maybe Bowers is that good, who knows. The Sea Dogs sure feel very strongly about him.Interesting to see what happens.
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Post by bois on Jun 5, 2015 14:42:21 GMT -4
i hope he's better than Jonathan MacKinnon..... that guy was a plug
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 14:45:21 GMT -4
I have no issue with a 16 year old playing top 6, if he is good enough. Nathan MacKinnon, Jonathan MacKinnon,Sidney Crosby come to mind. Or are we saying that Bowers is not in that elite class? Also we have had 3 young (16) goalies come in and steal the #1 job, Fleury, Houle and roy come to mind. Maybe Bowers is that good, who knows. The Sea Dogs sure feel very strongly about him.Interesting to see what happens. If Bowers was in that class we wouldn't be having the conversation because he wouldn't fall to the 4th pick. Fleury stole the job then started the playoffs on the bench. Houle didn't play in the Q at 16. Roy came into a team losing their #1 goaltender and returning a lot of vets from a good team but also didn't win anything at 16.
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Post by breakfastofchamps on Jun 5, 2015 14:45:46 GMT -4
i hope he's better than Jonathan MacKinnon..... that guy was a plug He is certainly not MacKinnon and lightyears behind Crosby, but he was the CHL scoring champ at 16 so that is nothing to be ashamed of. I would expect around 50 points for Bowers if given a good amount of ice time as a rookie in the Q, not a player who will lead your team but he could provide offensive contribution to a good team. 200 foot game as well.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 14:49:22 GMT -4
i hope he's better than Jonathan MacKinnon..... that guy was a plug He is certainly not MacKinnon and lightyears behind Crosby, but he was the CHL scoring champ at 16 so that is nothing to be ashamed of. I would expect around 50 points for Bowers if given a good amount of ice time as a rookie in the Q, not a player who will lead your team but he could provide offensive contribution to a good team. 200 foot game as well. And that would be a great season. The only issue I have, when talking about a top 6 forward spot, is then relying on him at the end of a long 1st season to be better then 19 and 20yr old veterans who have equal skill but much more experience. I have no doubt he can put up 50 points as a #2 center and dominate the Bathurst's of the league but can that translate in rounds 3 and 4 against the leagues best? Better to be cautious then optimistic in my opinion. If injuries mean he's the #1 C come that point so be it. But you should be preparing as if to insulate him in the bottom 6 with little expectation right away so that whatever you get from him is gravy.
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