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Post by sc74 on Jun 5, 2015 15:34:54 GMT -4
I think Cape Breton would be able to convince him anyway. It's not like O'Leary who really wants to go to NCAA (Bowers doesn't) or Roy who wanted to study in the Quebec school system.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 15:37:06 GMT -4
I think Cape Breton would be able to convince him anyway. It's not like O'Leary who really wants to go to NCAA (Bowers doesn't) or Roy who wanted to study in the Quebec school system. That's just it. There's been talk of Bowers wanting to play in the league. There was nothing like that with O'Leary. Call the kids bluff and I bet he's here come training camp, especially once his family is explained how good we should be and a player like Dubois will have a lot of scouts watching the team all year.
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Post by breakfastofchamps on Jun 5, 2015 15:37:43 GMT -4
Not many players dominate the way Bowers did at 15. I can't remember the last 15yo to win MVP of the league maybe Sheppard? Duffy? Both of those players had extremely successful QMJHL careers. You are definitely right that not all players translate, but most with Bowers skating/size do. Take Luke Green for example, Bowers looked much better than him as a rookie in midget. I am talking about how they did at 16. Balmas had a great season before he came to the Q but it didn't translate right away. Some players take some time to adjust. My calibee point was just pointing out that players who may appear inferior in Quebec could be on par with the stars in Nova Scotia playing weaker competition. Balmas does not have nearly the skating ability that Bowers has, that alone should make him more successful as a 16yo than Balmas, besides the fact that he is better in almost every way. Like I said, many players do well as 15yo but not many dominate and are league MVP like Bowers.
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Post by caperguy on Jun 5, 2015 15:41:25 GMT -4
he's a kid who wants to try to play hockey for a living...drop the attitude/demands and make it work where you are drafted like just about every other person in that draft. If you refuse to report, you shouldn't be allowed to play anywhere. Does he even know what Cape Breton is looking like for the next couple of years? Here we go... He has options. Should he give up ALL of those options to just report to where the QMJHL thinks he should? He should go to where he feels comfortable. If that's not a CB or Bathurst, then so be it. These kids aren't asking to be drafted by Q teams, it's just the system the leagues play by but the players owe nothing to the league. God knows if they don't perform the league and teams will not owe them anything in return. I never thought of it that way. My mindset was - you choose to enter the draft, you accept what happens. Good point.
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Post by breakfastofchamps on Jun 5, 2015 15:48:58 GMT -4
I think the tweet just implies that Halifax/SJ are Bowers top options, not that he will only play for those 2 teams.
I have a hard time seeing him turn down the opportunity to play for CB in his home province on a team that is trending upward and already has some elite talent up front.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 15:50:55 GMT -4
Here we go... He has options. Should he give up ALL of those options to just report to where the QMJHL thinks he should? He should go to where he feels comfortable. If that's not a CB or Bathurst, then so be it. These kids aren't asking to be drafted by Q teams, it's just the system the leagues play by but the players owe nothing to the league. God knows if they don't perform the league and teams will not owe them anything in return. I never thought of it that way. My mindset was - you choose to enter the draft, you accept what happens. Good point. Not at all. And just showing up to camp for 3 days at 16 robs you of your NCAA eligibility if not done properly. In order to properly discuss the 'draft games' you really need to examine it from both sides. My highly touted(and highly fictional!) 15yr old son wouldn't be going to Bathurst if I had the option to wait 6-12 months and get him to a Halifax or Quebec or Boston College in a situation I would be much more comfortable with. Once you make that call, there's really no going back on it. A team can draft, use, then cut the player and owe them nothing. The players really have to know they're making the right decision.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Jun 5, 2015 16:08:02 GMT -4
This is where the Q needs to step in and do something. Yes I know they are 16 year old kids, but they should be excited to play hockey, not trying too choose where they play.
Anyways.. if he is there at 4, maybe dumont pulls the trigger and trades the pick then to SJ.
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Post by yurireeka on Jun 5, 2015 16:09:01 GMT -4
Is Bathurst willing to play the hold out game in order to maximize the return on the asset if he refuses to play there? Tough sell on an already tiny fan base. Not many players dominate the way Bowers did at 15. I can't remember the last 15yo to win MVP of the league maybe Sheppard? Duffy? Both of those players had extremely successful QMJHL careers. You are definitely right that not all players translate, but most with Bowers skating/size do. Take Luke Green for example, Bowers looked much better than him as a rookie in midget.Dont necc agree with you there. Green looked better - faster and better skill with speed, Bowers with the better IQ, but not by a lot. There is not 'much' difference between their talents at 15.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 16:17:27 GMT -4
This is where the Q needs to step in and do something. Yes I know they are 16 year old kids, but they should be excited to play hockey, not trying too choose where they play. Anyways.. if he is there at 4, maybe dumont pulls the trigger and trades the pick then to SJ. What can the Q do? The Q doesn't own the players. The Q also doesn't want to force the players into something where everyone loses out on say a Veleno because the Q tries to force him into a small market so he just goes NCAA legitimately. Easy to say the Q needs to do something, but what do you do that doesn't hurt the entire league?
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Post by chsb on Jun 5, 2015 16:25:02 GMT -4
Well that certainly makes things more interesting... More likely SJ goes hard for our pick then maybe. I'd still pick him and let him hold out. Take the #5 pick next year if you can't cash out on him to 1 of those 2 teams. We don't absolutely need the asset right now, that's a good part of having a lot of depth. I would not give a damn what you would like for your son, as he is not heading to the Q anyway. And I also know that you do not believe anything coming of Couturier's mouth and I happen to not give a damn about it either. The fact is that this afternoon, in his radio interview, Couturier mentioned that things are changing in Bathurst: out of over 70 players interviewed for the draft, according to him, NONE said they would not come to Bathurst. Now I will let you think whatever you want about Bathurst. I do not give a damn as long as the selected players show up. Who cares anyway about the NovaScotian JB condescendance?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 16:31:31 GMT -4
I'd still pick him and let him hold out. Take the #5 pick next year if you can't cash out on him to 1 of those 2 teams. We don't absolutely need the asset right now, that's a good part of having a lot of depth. I would not give a damn what you would like for your son, as he is not heading to the Q anyway. And I also know that you do not believe anything coming of Couturier's mouth and I happen to not give a damn about it either. The fact is that this afternoon, in his radio interview, Couturier mentioned that things are changing in Bathurst: out of over 70 players interviewed for the draft, according to him, NONE said they would not come to Bathurst. Now I will let you think whatever you want about Bathurst. I do not give a damn as long as the selected players show up. Who cares anyway about the NovaScotian JB condescendance? Did he interview Bowers? Even after a decade of this you continue down the same beaten path using the same lines and words you've used before that are constantly proven wrong and incorrect. How do you know whose kids are heading to the Q exactly? What if my name was Jack Bowers? (so tongue in cheek I can't NOT say it) You're so consumed with your inferiority complex that you still can't see the reality right in front of you. But blame Nova Scotia for your problems. Clearly my opinion is what influences random strangers to not want to play for your team. There's been so many changes and 180's in Bathurst that you literally live reality in a Back to the Future movie.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Jun 5, 2015 16:41:48 GMT -4
I'd still pick him and let him hold out. Take the #5 pick next year if you can't cash out on him to 1 of those 2 teams. We don't absolutely need the asset right now, that's a good part of having a lot of depth. I would not give a damn what you would like for your son, as he is not heading to the Q anyway. And I also know that you do not believe anything coming of Couturier's mouth and I happen to not give a damn about it either. The fact is that this afternoon, in his radio interview, Couturier mentioned that things are changing in Bathurst: out of over 70 players interviewed for the draft, according to him, NONE said they would not come to Bathurst. Now I will let you think whatever you want about Bathurst. I do not give a damn as long as the selected players show up. Who cares anyway about the NovaScotian JB condescendance? He thinks the same as everyone else does, the titan should have been moved years ago. It's the shithole of the league and that needs to change.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Jun 5, 2015 16:43:15 GMT -4
This is where the Q needs to step in and do something. Yes I know they are 16 year old kids, but they should be excited to play hockey, not trying too choose where they play. Anyways.. if he is there at 4, maybe dumont pulls the trigger and trades the pick then to SJ. What can the Q do? The Q doesn't own the players. The Q also doesn't want to force the players into something where everyone loses out on say a Veleno because the Q tries to force him into a small market so he just goes NCAA legitimately. Easy to say the Q needs to do something, but what do you do that doesn't hurt the entire league? O I know. You're right. I just think it's getting a bit old.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 16:43:54 GMT -4
I would not give a damn what you would like for your son, as he is not heading to the Q anyway. And I also know that you do not believe anything coming of Couturier's mouth and I happen to not give a damn about it either. The fact is that this afternoon, in his radio interview, Couturier mentioned that things are changing in Bathurst: out of over 70 players interviewed for the draft, according to him, NONE said they would not come to Bathurst. Now I will let you think whatever you want about Bathurst. I do not give a damn as long as the selected players show up. Who cares anyway about the NovaScotian JB condescendance? He thinks the same as everyone else does, the titan should have been moved years ago. It's the shithole of the league and that needs to change. The sad thing is he ACTUALLY believes things have only got better there over time, despite attendance going from 3000+ to 2500+ to 2000+ to 1500+ to 3 figures. He was preaching the exact same 'it's better now then it's ever been' speech the entire time without even once admitting that they need to start doing business differently.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2015 16:48:39 GMT -4
What can the Q do? The Q doesn't own the players. The Q also doesn't want to force the players into something where everyone loses out on say a Veleno because the Q tries to force him into a small market so he just goes NCAA legitimately. Easy to say the Q needs to do something, but what do you do that doesn't hurt the entire league? O I know. You're right. I just think it's getting a bit old. I just think it's the cost of doing business with high school students, honestly. The CHL tries to balance high end hockey players with high end student athletes in a way and it's impossible to please everyone. Every year at this time we read the people wanting change, yet not 1 person has ever come up with a change that just makes the system better for everyone. I don't think such a system exists. But even in this 'uneven' system we still see small markets manage to find a way to contend if they handle their rebuilding properly.
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