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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Apr 9, 2015 17:35:36 GMT -4
Any chance O'Leary winds up somewhere else in the Q ? If anywhere Halifax. But they would just wait for you to put him back in the draft then lose a lower pick on him. I doubt anyone offers anything of value in a trade.
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Post by gocapebreton on Apr 9, 2015 17:54:00 GMT -4
Certainly, no one knew that this would be the no.1 pick. But I personally thought, at the time, that Drummondville was the worst one to trade. Drummondville had unloaded big time. Chicoutimi had more upside potential. And Cape Breton were bound to improve. It would appear to be that Saint John had the Drummondville pick as a stipulation. Hindsight is 20-20 but Cape Bretons pick would have been the logical fair choice. They have to do what they think is best for the team, and their goals. But this is why I personally would have waited until the draft to make moves. If this team could not have made the playoffs this year,with some basic upgrades, then maybe our expectations of going for it next year are unrealistic. I accept that it seems the majority of posters are in a throw all in for next year mode. I personally like the opportunity of watching high end prospects develop, sort of developing with our drafts picks. I have read some posts of people willing to trade up to 2017 picks for next year. If that is the case, it could spell the end of this franchise after next year. This team cannot afford one good year and a 4 or 5 year drought. I have not read 1 post advocating trading 2017 picks. You claim to have read several. Please show us who is making those claims. We can't afford another Durocher like gutting of top draft picks while parading 5th rounders in the CB Post as the future of the team. It was actually just a poster making a comment in the next season topic. They actually referred to all assets in 2014-2016. At any rate, my point was simply to state that we have to be cautious as to what we spend to contend next year. You are very quick at times to debate many posts. We are most all on the same side here.
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Post by jamesnorris on Apr 9, 2015 18:10:36 GMT -4
Nothing to do with flip flopping. It's all in your post history. Not getting into it with you. Those interested can look for themselves and make their own conclusions but you're not fooling anyone with your act here. Easier to put you back on blocked since you'll be posting now that there's no more games or players to watch. You sure love talking about a team it seems like you've never seen. Oh no, I'm on Jack Bauers qmjhleast.proboards.com block list!! This is a life altering moment for me!! Just because I wasn't posting as much, doesn't mean I wasn't here. I was mainly sticking to private messaging because I know there's a clown like you unable to read a post and actually understand it, hell you can't even recognize your own flip flop on the Bell/LeBlanc trade.
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Post by jamesnorris on Apr 9, 2015 18:11:17 GMT -4
Any chance O'Leary winds up somewhere else in the Q ? If anywhere Halifax. But they would just wait for you to put him back in the draft then lose a lower pick on him. I doubt anyone offers anything of value in a trade. I'm trying to think of a recent example of a similar situation but can't. Curious if anyone else can.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Apr 9, 2015 18:14:51 GMT -4
If anywhere Halifax. But they would just wait for you to put him back in the draft then lose a lower pick on him. I doubt anyone offers anything of value in a trade. I'm trying to think of a recent example of a similar situation but can't. Curious if anyone else can. Jack Eichel........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 18:46:37 GMT -4
If the Top 2 plus the Veino Kid are Head and Shoulders above everyone else ( which seems to be the case ) then this Trade goes down as a complete screw up unless LeBlanc turns out to be a Top 3 Defenceman in the Q . A Title makes everyone forget about it but it looks first hand as a mis-calculation by Dumont forced because of a disaster of a first half ....what was so wrong with Bell and The O'Leary Pick for LeBlanc ? Maybe there is something we don't see about LeBlanc that the Sea Dog Posters could enlighten us on .... Joseph Veleno should be considered #1 - Shane Bowers & Maxime Comtois right now are considered by some to be the next 2 choices - Antoine Morand would be an excellent #4 IF there is a drop between the top 3 to Morand it's not very big and he could potentially be better then both Comtois and Bowers he has the potential.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 18:54:14 GMT -4
For anybody that hasn't had a chance to see Antoine Morand at the Canada Games he's playing in the Telus Cup with Châteauguay Grenadiers along with Maxime Comtois
Comtois finished with 1 more point (56) then Morand (55) in 41 games this year with the Grenadiers
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Post by hal on Apr 9, 2015 20:47:56 GMT -4
Drummondville .....I mean Cape Breton .........er make that Saint John....You are on the Clock !
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Apr 9, 2015 21:44:44 GMT -4
If the Top 2 plus the Veino Kid are Head and Shoulders above everyone else ( which seems to be the case ) then this Trade goes down as a complete screw up unless LeBlanc turns out to be a Top 3 Defenceman in the Q . A Title makes everyone forget about it but it looks first hand as a mis-calculation by Dumont forced because of a disaster of a first half ....what was so wrong with Bell and The O'Leary Pick for LeBlanc ? Maybe there is something we don't see about LeBlanc that the Sea Dog Posters could enlighten us on .... You will see the full value of Leblanc next year Hal, assuming someone doesn't fall on his leg and break it again. He is an all around defenseman. He won't be the best offensive D in the league, or the best defensive D in the league, but he is near the top of the league in both categories. Very good offensively, defensively, will hit, go to the dirty areas, take hits to make plays, is a leader on and off the ice, and no character issues. I am sure SJ only traded him because they knew this year and next weren't going to be their years to truly contend. That's 2017 and Leblanc would be 20 years old with a chance at playing pro hockey, not QMJHL. Thus they moved him for a younger guy in Bell they were high on and think can improve defensively enough to not be a complete liability out there, plus that first round pick. The trade still is also a win for you guys though. Leblanc is a guy that as a 19 year old D a non contending team, at Xmas, could normally deal for a highly touted young prospect immediately, along with a 1st and 2nd round pick, with one of those picks going back at the draft for an established 19-20 year old top end player. So looking at it that way you guys got Leblanc a year earlier than that, and without giving up a 2nd round pick. Yeah it sucks for you guys that it was the Drummondville pick you gave up, and that in the end it became the 1st overall pick, but at the time it wasn't the first overall pick and it was far from guaranteed that it would ever be. It very easily could have ended up in the pick 3-5 range as well. I view the trade as a win for both teams.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 9, 2015 21:54:52 GMT -4
You can't see the future. No1 knew that pick would be #1. We got unlucky Leblanc got hurt, we got unlucky here too. We 100% overpaid, esp now, but Leblanc is a hell of a player. A guy who wants to be here. Drafting players has to be harder as a place players know they can get away from with bad play/refusing to report. Dumont needs to do his homework and pick the right guys. Not our worst trade in history. Certainly, no one knew that this would be the no.1 pick. But I personally thought, at the time, that Drummondville was the worst one to trade. Drummondville had unloaded big time. Chicoutimi had more upside potential. And Cape Breton were bound to improve. It would appear to be that Saint John had the Drummondville pick as a stipulation. Hindsight is 20-20 but Cape Bretons pick would have been the logical fair choice. They have to do what they think is best for the team, and their goals. But this is why I personally would have waited until the draft to make moves. If this team could not have made the playoffs this year,with some basic upgrades, then maybe our expectations of going for it next year are unrealistic. I accept that it seems the majority of posters are in a throw all in for next year mode. I personally like the opportunity of watching high end prospects develop, sort of developing with our drafts picks. I have read some posts of people willing to trade up to 2017 picks for next year. If that is the case, it could spell the end of this franchise after next year. This team cannot afford one good year and a 4 or 5 year drought. IMO its not even hindsight on the trade being a dud. CB was trading to get better and thought they would move up in the standings. Considering the year it was turning out to be you offer the CB pick, take it or leave it. If CB had fell to bottom 2, after trading their pick, there would be far bigger issues in the organization to fix.
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Post by jamesnorris on Apr 10, 2015 1:21:11 GMT -4
I'm trying to think of a recent example of a similar situation but can't. Curious if anyone else can. Jack Eichel........ I was aiming for someone who actually ended up playing in the league lol
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Post by eaglefan62 on Apr 10, 2015 6:52:28 GMT -4
I shudder when I think of what we gave up to move up in the draft to get Jason Bell when we could have had Daniel Sprong instead.Yikes. From what I heard about Bell from Day 1 when he arrived about his arrogance and laziness and bad attitude,looks like someone didn't do their homework on this kid.Bell has lots of talent but not much going for him in terms of attitude and work ethic, not a recipe for success.
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Post by hal on Apr 10, 2015 7:12:44 GMT -4
I shudder when I think of what we gave up to move up in the draft to get Jason Bell when we could have had Daniel Sprong instead.Yikes. From what I heard about Bell from Day 1 when he arrived about his arrogance and laziness and bad attitude,looks like someone didn't do their homework on this kid.Bell has lots of talent but not much going for him in terms of attitude and work ethic, not a recipe for success. You had to bring that up eh ?
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Post by seαωo|f on Apr 10, 2015 7:34:43 GMT -4
I'm happy Bell was moved. He reminded me too much of Matt Murphy - all the skill in the world; no clue how to best utilize it.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 10, 2015 9:35:57 GMT -4
If the Top 2 plus the Veino Kid are Head and Shoulders above everyone else ( which seems to be the case ) then this Trade goes down as a complete screw up unless LeBlanc turns out to be a Top 3 Defenceman in the Q . A Title makes everyone forget about it but it looks first hand as a mis-calculation by Dumont forced because of a disaster of a first half ....what was so wrong with Bell and The O'Leary Pick for LeBlanc ? Maybe there is something we don't see about LeBlanc that the Sea Dog Posters could enlighten us on .... You will see the full value of Leblanc next year Hal, assuming someone doesn't fall on his leg and break it again. He is an all around defenseman. He won't be the best offensive D in the league, or the best defensive D in the league, but he is near the top of the league in both categories. Very good offensively, defensively, will hit, go to the dirty areas, take hits to make plays, is a leader on and off the ice, and no character issues. I am sure SJ only traded him because they knew this year and next weren't going to be their years to truly contend. That's 2017 and Leblanc would be 20 years old with a chance at playing pro hockey, not QMJHL. Thus they moved him for a younger guy in Bell they were high on and think can improve defensively enough to not be a complete liability out there, plus that first round pick. The trade still is also a win for you guys though. Leblanc is a guy that as a 19 year old D a non contending team, at Xmas, could normally deal for a highly touted young prospect immediately, along with a 1st and 2nd round pick, with one of those picks going back at the draft for an established 19-20 year old top end player. So looking at it that way you guys got Leblanc a year earlier than that, and without giving up a 2nd round pick. Yeah it sucks for you guys that it was the Drummondville pick you gave up, and that in the end it became the 1st overall pick, but at the time it wasn't the first overall pick and it was far from guaranteed that it would ever be. It very easily could have ended up in the pick 3-5 range as well. I view the trade as a win for both teams. IF they traded a healthy Leblanc at Xmas (unlikely if going for it) it would perhaps even it out. Thing is if you are going to give the potential value of a Leblanc trade you would have to compare it to a potential first at the draft trade, when prices are higher. If pick is Veleno you could imagine what that would get for a run, rebuild or both. What he brings to a team in his rookie year maybe as much as many vet players.
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