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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 6, 2014 13:27:07 GMT -4
You are thinking too much about it lol. There are players that brought titles on there own Antoine Bibeau indirectly and others that could this year. Players that brought picks that could bring championships in 2017 lol......Russell had to trade for those players. They did NOT come from Lewiston. People make history not the other way around. We got Critchlow and Fournier, players which probably wouldn't have been available and certainly not at the prices Cam paid and we got an extra 1st round pick and got Zach and none of the other G from his draft class were at his level as 17 year old goaltenders- Belanger, Desrosiers and certainly not Cadorette. If Russell trades down and picks Antoine Bibeau instead the Moose probably win 2 titles. If the Moose have a different GM the moose may win nothing. See it as you want.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 6, 2014 13:32:18 GMT -4
Still, good sores are worse than no sores at all. What kind of sores do you have that it's good? Any time I get sores I get worried. I would always look up my sores on the internet, before telling anyone that I have a good sores.
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Post by catnut on Nov 6, 2014 14:23:32 GMT -4
Still, good sores are worse than no sores at all. What kind of sores do you have that it's good? Any time I get sores I get worried. I was also wondering about what Statsman considered good sores. Like I said I much prefer no sores at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 14:30:40 GMT -4
We got Critchlow and Fournier, players which probably wouldn't have been available and certainly not at the prices Cam paid and we got an extra 1st round pick and got Zach and none of the other G from his draft class were at his level as 17 year old goaltenders- Belanger, Desrosiers and certainly not Cadorette. If Russell trades down and picks Antoine Bibeau instead the Moose probably win 2 titles. If the Moose have a different GM the moose may win nothing. See it as you want. I guess I'll see it as I want then and go with historical fact instead of probably- the Mooseheads won a Memorial Cup and a Presidents Cup with Fucale in net.
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Post by Citris on Nov 6, 2014 14:42:16 GMT -4
Fucale and Ehlers to Chicoutimi would work well. Could you imagine Ehlers on the big ice. I want to point out that Chicoutimi has worse record than us at this point. I think they may sell.
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Post by Smiley on Nov 6, 2014 15:03:48 GMT -4
What kind of sores do you have that it's good? Any time I get sores I get worried. I was also wondering about what Statsman considered good sores. Like I said I much prefer no sores at all. Maybe he considers good sores based on how he got those sores.
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Post by Smiley on Nov 6, 2014 15:10:15 GMT -4
If Russell trades down and picks Antoine Bibeau instead the Moose probably win 2 titles. If the Moose have a different GM the moose may win nothing. See it as you want. I guess I'll see it as I want then and go with historical fact instead of probably- the Mooseheads won a Memorial Cup and a Presidents Cup with Fucale in net. So Critchlow didn't directly help us win a Memorial Cup. Fournier did, but the asset we used on him could have been used on someone else. Fucale, well with the team we had we could have acquired a goalie to help out. Sure it helped that Lewiston folded. But the only one we really got lucky on was Fucale. Even there Cam was smart to take their 1st round pick and not a player. Yes we got lucky to trade for Mackinnon and Drouin...BUT he had to get the picks to pick up those players. It's not like we payed below market value. Picking Erne and flipping him to Quebec was great asset use that allowed us to get the #1 and #2 players in the draft and two Generational Players. Think about it. We traded for both Mackinnon and Drouin and didn't empty the cupboards in the future. There is always some luck involved but Cam set the team up to allow them to take advantage of the luck. ps: IMO, we still win without the Lewiston players. That team was built around Nate and Drouin and Nate showed in the Mem Cup final that he was not to be denied.
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Post by Citris on Nov 6, 2014 15:21:46 GMT -4
If Russell trades down and picks Antoine Bibeau instead the Moose probably win 2 titles. If the Moose have a different GM the moose may win nothing. See it as you want. I'm not so sure. Fucale was outstanding in 2012-13, and although he went cold when we needed him last year, he was still good throughout most of the season. You never know how Bibeau would have developed in Halifax, or even how Fucale would have developed if not for the fluke injury that kept Terenzio out for the whole season 2011-2012. I just think you gotta be careful with the what-ifs.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 6, 2014 15:27:19 GMT -4
If Russell trades down and picks Antoine Bibeau instead the Moose probably win 2 titles. If the Moose have a different GM the moose may win nothing. See it as you want. I'm not so sure. Fucale was outstanding in 2012-13, and although he went cold when we needed him last year, he was still good throughout most of the season. You never know how Bibeau would have developed in Halifax, or even how Fucale would have developed if not for the fluke injury that kept Terenzio out for the whole season 2011-2012. I just think you gotta be careful with the what-ifs. What if...............Russell had taken Mantha second overall instead of Ciampini?
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Post by Citris on Nov 6, 2014 15:37:28 GMT -4
I'm not so sure. Fucale was outstanding in 2012-13, and although he went cold when we needed him last year, he was still good throughout most of the season. You never know how Bibeau would have developed in Halifax, or even how Fucale would have developed if not for the fluke injury that kept Terenzio out for the whole season 2011-2012. I just think you gotta be careful with the what-ifs. What if...............Russell had taken Mantha second overall instead of Ciampini? He probably would have been laughed out of the building in all seriousness. At the time Ciampini was a consensus top 5 pick and nobody knew who Mantha was!
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 6, 2014 15:44:27 GMT -4
What if...............Russell had taken Mantha second overall instead of Ciampini? He probably would have been laughed out of the building in all seriousness. At the time Ciampini was a consensus top 5 pick and nobody knew who Mantha was! Someone Val-d'Or obviously knew who he was
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 6, 2014 16:56:29 GMT -4
Fucale and Ehlers to Chicoutimi would work well. Could you imagine Ehlers on the big ice. I want to point out that Chicoutimi has worse record than us at this point. I think they may sell. You don't need to point it out its obvious. They also lose to teams like Rimouski and Quebec by 1 goal. Halifax loses to everyone by plenty of goals. They may sell but they built for this year and have lots of 19 yr olds. They wanted to host this year but lost out. If they flood the market with the players prices will be cheap and they likely don't get what they are worth. Like Gatineau goaltending has been a big hole. It would not take much to turn that around and playoffs are always another story. Look at some of the teams higher like SJ, are they truly going to win the league, not likely but they have the best winning percentage now. Means nothing especially before the trade period.
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Post by nsvees on Nov 6, 2014 21:22:27 GMT -4
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Post by Citris on Nov 7, 2014 10:17:05 GMT -4
You don't need to point it out its obvious. They also lose to teams like Rimouski and Quebec by 1 goal. Halifax loses to everyone by plenty of goals. They may sell but they built for this year and have lots of 19 yr olds. They wanted to host this year but lost out. If they flood the market with the players prices will be cheap and they likely don't get what they are worth. Like Gatineau goaltending has been a big hole. It would not take much to turn that around and playoffs are always another story. Look at some of the teams higher like SJ, are they truly going to win the league, not likely but they have the best winning percentage now. Means nothing especially before the trade period. I wouldn't go so far to say the record after 20 games means nothing, but I do agree that they are probably better than their current record, but then again so is Halifax. The league is pretty funny this year, I don't think there are a lot of bad teams like you see most years. Its pretty competitive from top to bottom. Also I think the Sea Dogs may be the real deal at this point. They've surprised a lot of people, but that's through really good free-agent signings, guys taking a step forward in their development at the right time and having a really good Euro draft. Add that to Auger and they could make some noise in the playoffs.
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 7, 2014 13:13:38 GMT -4
You don't need to point it out its obvious. They also lose to teams like Rimouski and Quebec by 1 goal. Halifax loses to everyone by plenty of goals. They may sell but they built for this year and have lots of 19 yr olds. They wanted to host this year but lost out. If they flood the market with the players prices will be cheap and they likely don't get what they are worth. Like Gatineau goaltending has been a big hole. It would not take much to turn that around and playoffs are always another story. Look at some of the teams higher like SJ, are they truly going to win the league, not likely but they have the best winning percentage now. Means nothing especially before the trade period. I wouldn't go so far to say the record after 20 games means nothing, but I do agree that they are probably better than their current record, but then again so is Halifax. The league is pretty funny this year, I don't think there are a lot of bad teams like you see most years. Its pretty competitive from top to bottom. Also I think the Sea Dogs may be the real deal at this point. They've surprised a lot of people, but that's through really good free-agent signings, guys taking a step forward in their development at the right time and having a really good Euro draft. Add that to Auger and they could make some noise in the playoffs. Well the 20 games involve a lot of teams just getting things in place. Some more than others with players away and injuries. Coaches also adapt to there opponents after playing a few times, if they are any good. Experience is key and Young has shown he can make a good team from spare parts. Young players/rookies with skill can become better over the season while others are at there max. Same for playoffs and that extra gear. This division seems weak in general and other than SJ in disarray. Not saying SJ cant suprise some more but I did mention the trade period which likely isnt a buy for SJ but that is the GM. Of course as we saw with VD a goalie is often key. IMO trade period: SJ- neutral,small trades Mon- Buy, Medium to big trades CHA- Buy, Medium trades CB- Buy, Medium trades HFX- Sell, Medium to big trades Bat- neutral, medium shuffle The market is the deciding factor but I expect it to be a sellers market as several teams have to go for it. There is a larger number who are on the edge of success or in other words teams who could help their chances this year while getting ready for next years all in. These teams have the carrot of a second spot in The Memorial cup with just the right timing and a upset or 2. I am sure most see that. Not going to name them all but as you mentioned very competitive. Only a few seem right out of it.
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