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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 18, 2014 15:48:55 GMT -4
You're off by less than 200 but if this was the Price is Right you would lose. Your average attendance is 7,352 so far this season. It was 7442 but your shitty attendance yesterday hurt it quite a bit. Still 2nd in the league though before only the Memorial Cup hosts playing in a former NHL arena. I need to explain my position better. For QMJHL/CHL standards. YES, attendance is very good. Always just behind Quebec in this league. My personal expectation/wish, is that our attendance was closer to a 9000 average. Not sold out every night, but many sell outs. Jesus guys, we didn't even sell out the home opener. That should be a lock every year. Like I said, maybe it's on the organization for not doing enough to get people out. But I view it as a missed opportunity on their part, and unfortunate that our team isn't playing in front of bigger/louder crowds on a consistent basis. My point. I think more people should be going to the games. Period. Did you not enjoy the extra elbow room and fast lineups for beer.
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Post by TA1 Sports on Dec 18, 2014 15:51:41 GMT -4
I need to explain my position better. For QMJHL/CHL standards. YES, attendance is very good. Always just behind Quebec in this league. My personal expectation/wish, is that our attendance was closer to a 9000 average. Not sold out every night, but many sell outs. Jesus guys, we didn't even sell out the home opener. That should be a lock every year. Like I said, maybe it's on the organization for not doing enough to get people out. But I view it as a missed opportunity on their part, and unfortunate that our team isn't playing in front of bigger/louder crowds on a consistent basis. My point. I think more people should be going to the games. Period. Did you not enjoy the extra elbow room and fast lineups for beer. haha I have great seats, few rows up between the blue lines, and there were actually loads of empty seats around me in every direction last night! Hopefully our new Scotiabank seats and concession upgrades will take care of that!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 18, 2014 15:52:20 GMT -4
You're off by less than 200 but if this was the Price is Right you would lose. Your average attendance is 7,352 so far this season. It was 7442 but your shitty attendance yesterday hurt it quite a bit. Still 2nd in the league though before only the Memorial Cup hosts playing in a former NHL arena. I need to explain my position better. For QMJHL/CHL standards. YES, attendance is very good. Always just behind Quebec in this league. My personal expectation/wish, is that our attendance was closer to a 9000 average. Not sold out every night, but many sell outs. Jesus guys, we didn't even sell out the home opener. That should be a lock every year. Like I said, maybe it's on the organization for not doing enough to get people out. But I view it as a missed opportunity on their part, and unfortunate that our team isn't playing in front of bigger/louder crowds on a consistent basis. My point. I think more people should be going to the games. Period. Why? Any reason other then because 'you think' they should be attending? Coming off of 3 straight years of deep playoff runs in a rebuilding season I think that you should expect less fans. 5 years ago you were getting 5000. Now you expect 9000 and many sellouts to watch what will be a below average team down the stretch. Look at the time and money investment a family or 2 or 3 had over the past 3 seasons. This is junior hockey, 1 of many hobbies people have. Now that the Moose are taking a step back, it's perfectly logical that some of the fans do the same. Doesn't mean those people wouldn't be there tomorrow to fill up the rink for a game 7, but why would they care about game 38 say of a rebuilding season? Expectations should be set off of precedent and history. Neither says a 9000 per night expectation for a rebuilding club is very logical.
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Post by TA1 Sports on Dec 18, 2014 15:58:27 GMT -4
I need to explain my position better. For QMJHL/CHL standards. YES, attendance is very good. Always just behind Quebec in this league. My personal expectation/wish, is that our attendance was closer to a 9000 average. Not sold out every night, but many sell outs. Jesus guys, we didn't even sell out the home opener. That should be a lock every year. Like I said, maybe it's on the organization for not doing enough to get people out. But I view it as a missed opportunity on their part, and unfortunate that our team isn't playing in front of bigger/louder crowds on a consistent basis. My point. I think more people should be going to the games. Period. Why? Any reason other then because 'you think' they should be attending? Coming off of 3 straight years of deep playoff runs in a rebuilding season I think that you should expect less fans. 5 years ago you were getting 5000. Now you expect 9000 and many sellouts to watch what will be a below average team down the stretch. Look at the time and money investment a family or 2 or 3 had over the past 3 seasons. This is junior hockey, 1 of many hobbies people have. Now that the Moose are taking a step back, it's perfectly logical that some of the fans do the same. Doesn't mean those people wouldn't be there tomorrow to fill up the rink for a game 7, but why would they care about game 38 say of a rebuilding season? Expectations should be set off of precedent and history. Neither says a 9000 per night expectation for a rebuilding club is very logical. I guess I just find that very fair weather. Maybe I'm to hardcore in my thinking/expectations, but in this growing city, with the amount of university students we have, combined with what I view as very reasonable prices, I expect more. I hate that support fluctuates so drastically based on the perceived talent level of the team. We still have a future NHL goalie, probably the most exciting player in the CHL in Nik, and despite the rebuild, Ducharme is still sending a team out there every night that works, and is actually getting results better than any of us would have thought. It's still good hockey without Nate and Jo. Just want to see the city embrace/get behind some of these kids. Cavan Fitzgerald, Morgan Nauss, look what Resop did last night!
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Post by sc74 on Dec 18, 2014 15:59:25 GMT -4
If Quebec is sending a goalie back do they wait and use him until Fucale is back? Injury is a possibility both ways so it would seem to depend on how they look at it. You can bet Brassard is in fron of the net tonight...
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Post by revo on Dec 18, 2014 16:03:27 GMT -4
If Quebec is sending a goalie back do they wait and use him until Fucale is back? Injury is a possibility both ways so it would seem to depend on how they look at it. You can bet Brassard is in fron of the net tonight... Probably, so that the first part of the alleged trade sets it in stone, but hopefully the two GMs covered injury scenarios.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 18, 2014 16:09:17 GMT -4
Why? Any reason other then because 'you think' they should be attending? Coming off of 3 straight years of deep playoff runs in a rebuilding season I think that you should expect less fans. 5 years ago you were getting 5000. Now you expect 9000 and many sellouts to watch what will be a below average team down the stretch. Look at the time and money investment a family or 2 or 3 had over the past 3 seasons. This is junior hockey, 1 of many hobbies people have. Now that the Moose are taking a step back, it's perfectly logical that some of the fans do the same. Doesn't mean those people wouldn't be there tomorrow to fill up the rink for a game 7, but why would they care about game 38 say of a rebuilding season? Expectations should be set off of precedent and history. Neither says a 9000 per night expectation for a rebuilding club is very logical. I guess I just find that very fair weather. Maybe I'm to hardcore in my thinking/expectations, but in this growing city, with the amount of university students we have, combined with what I view as very reasonable prices, I expect more. I hate that support fluctuates so drastically based on the perceived talent level of the team. We still have a future NHL goalie, probably the most exciting player in the CHL in Nik, and despite the rebuild, Ducharme is still sending a team out there every night that works, and is actually getting results better than any of us would have thought. It's still good hockey without Nate and Jo. Just want to see the city embrace/get behind some of these kids. Cavan Fitzgerald, Morgan Nauss, look what Resop did last night! To most University students $16.50 for a Mooseheads game is reasonable in terms of maybe once every few weeks, but certainly not every game when the team sucks. You clearly have not been a poor University student lol Support fluctuates based on performance for almost every sport on the planet earth outside of the odd high profile exception. Not 1 junior hockey team gets the attention you expect. If they do, it certainly never lasts beyond the hype of a great team or player(s). Casual hockey fans don't care about the run of the mill talent enough to spend $60 per night to take their wife or family for a night out. You'll be waiting forever for a Nauss or Resop to fill a rink based on the odd result. When you've followed the league for 10-20 years like many Halifax fans have you realize every team has players like that and the special ones are the ones you pay a little closer attention toward and put some money aside to enjoy their playoff runs.
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Post by TA1 Sports on Dec 18, 2014 16:19:21 GMT -4
I guess I just find that very fair weather. Maybe I'm to hardcore in my thinking/expectations, but in this growing city, with the amount of university students we have, combined with what I view as very reasonable prices, I expect more. I hate that support fluctuates so drastically based on the perceived talent level of the team. We still have a future NHL goalie, probably the most exciting player in the CHL in Nik, and despite the rebuild, Ducharme is still sending a team out there every night that works, and is actually getting results better than any of us would have thought. It's still good hockey without Nate and Jo. Just want to see the city embrace/get behind some of these kids. Cavan Fitzgerald, Morgan Nauss, look what Resop did last night! To most University students $16.50 for a Mooseheads game is reasonable in terms of maybe once every few weeks, but certainly not every game when the team sucks. You clearly have not been a poor University student lol Support fluctuates based on performance for almost every sport on the planet earth outside of the odd high profile exception. Not 1 junior hockey team gets the attention you expect. If they do, it certainly never lasts beyond the hype of a great team or player(s). Casual hockey fans don't care about the run of the mill talent enough to spend $60 per night to take their wife or family for a night out. You'll be waiting forever for a Nauss or Resop to fill a rink based on the odd result. When you've followed the league for 10-20 years like many Halifax fans have you realize every team has players like that and the special ones are the ones you pay a little closer attention toward and put some money aside to enjoy their playoff runs. All fair points. For the record. $12 bucks a game for a student. Not $16.50 This team doesn't suck, hasn't since 2010. I have been a poor university student. Am actually currently a not poor university student, who has season tickets for my girlfriend and I, we pay $30 each a month for the tickets. So, pretty reasonable. I know support fluctuates based on performance, the range is just a lot bigger in Junior hockey. Anyway. No one is right or wrong here, just different perspectives. This is the trade period thread, lets get back to how much this Fucale/Murphy trade is going to help this team moving forward. We hope.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Dec 18, 2014 16:32:35 GMT -4
If Quebec is sending a goalie back do they wait and use him until Fucale is back? Injury is a possibility both ways so it would seem to depend on how they look at it. You can bet Brassard is in fron of the net tonight... Moncton might have asked for him to sit out until the draft.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 18, 2014 16:40:01 GMT -4
You can bet Brassard is in fron of the net tonight... Moncton might have asked for him to sit out until the draft. Haven't you heard? The trade is over. Shannon realized he was getting owned.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 18, 2014 17:01:32 GMT -4
To most University students $16.50 for a Mooseheads game is reasonable in terms of maybe once every few weeks, but certainly not every game when the team sucks. You clearly have not been a poor University student lol Support fluctuates based on performance for almost every sport on the planet earth outside of the odd high profile exception. Not 1 junior hockey team gets the attention you expect. If they do, it certainly never lasts beyond the hype of a great team or player(s). Casual hockey fans don't care about the run of the mill talent enough to spend $60 per night to take their wife or family for a night out. You'll be waiting forever for a Nauss or Resop to fill a rink based on the odd result. When you've followed the league for 10-20 years like many Halifax fans have you realize every team has players like that and the special ones are the ones you pay a little closer attention toward and put some money aside to enjoy their playoff runs. All fair points. For the record. $12 bucks a game for a student. Not $16.50 This team doesn't suck, hasn't since 2010. I have been a poor university student. Am actually currently a not poor university student, who has season tickets for my girlfriend and I, we pay $30 each a month for the tickets. So, pretty reasonable. I know support fluctuates based on performance, the range is just a lot bigger in Junior hockey. Anyway. No one is right or wrong here, just different perspectives. This is the trade period thread, lets get back to how much this Fucale/Murphy trade is going to help this team moving forward. We hope. Unless it's free the difference between 12 and 16 isn't much when adding up a night out. Not all students take advantage of all offers so i'm sure some pay the adult price. And the team does suck. Maybe not in terms of being the worst team in the league but compared to its own results over the last 3 years it certainly does. A .500 team only expected to get worse offers zero excitement to fans coming off 3 straight final 4's. To the fair weather fans who filled your rink the last few years, the team sucks. Going to a game is also more then a ticket cost. If you're only concerned with the hockey then maybe you can get away with no other costs during the season but most people I know want a drink, maybe a hot dog, a couple 50/50'....it all adds up...especially when factoring in the 3 playoff runs on top of the initial investment of a regular season. Did you have season tickets and attend games religiously when you were in University?
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 18, 2014 17:04:22 GMT -4
To most University students $16.50 for a Mooseheads game is reasonable in terms of maybe once every few weeks, but certainly not every game when the team sucks. You clearly have not been a poor University student lol Support fluctuates based on performance for almost every sport on the planet earth outside of the odd high profile exception. Not 1 junior hockey team gets the attention you expect. If they do, it certainly never lasts beyond the hype of a great team or player(s). Casual hockey fans don't care about the run of the mill talent enough to spend $60 per night to take their wife or family for a night out. You'll be waiting forever for a Nauss or Resop to fill a rink based on the odd result. When you've followed the league for 10-20 years like many Halifax fans have you realize every team has players like that and the special ones are the ones you pay a little closer attention toward and put some money aside to enjoy their playoff runs. All fair points. For the record. $12 bucks a game for a student. Not $16.50 This team doesn't suck, hasn't since 2010. I have been a poor university student. Am actually currently a not poor university student, who has season tickets for my girlfriend and I, we pay $30 each a month for the tickets. So, pretty reasonable. I know support fluctuates based on performance, the range is just a lot bigger in Junior hockey. Anyway. No one is right or wrong here, just different perspectives. This is the trade period thread, lets get back to how much this Fucale/Murphy trade is going to help this team moving forward. We hope. It is also exam time for University students ... and some have gone home for the holidays already. That will have an affect on last nights atendance. Having a rescheduled game also affects attendance ... it is up to the team to get the word out on the new date and time. But the reality is that it is the fringe fans that fill the rink ... not the hardcore fans. The hardcore fans are there every night. The fringe fans get behind a winner ... and only occasionally support a mid-pack team. Halifax is a mid-pack team now but were lower earlier in the season. It takes time to turn those fringe fans around when the team has improved.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 18, 2014 17:09:28 GMT -4
All fair points. For the record. $12 bucks a game for a student. Not $16.50 This team doesn't suck, hasn't since 2010. I have been a poor university student. Am actually currently a not poor university student, who has season tickets for my girlfriend and I, we pay $30 each a month for the tickets. So, pretty reasonable. I know support fluctuates based on performance, the range is just a lot bigger in Junior hockey. Anyway. No one is right or wrong here, just different perspectives. This is the trade period thread, lets get back to how much this Fucale/Murphy trade is going to help this team moving forward. We hope. It is also exam time for University students ... and some have gone home for the holidays already. That will have an affect on last nights atendance. Having a rescheduled game also affects attendance ... it is up to the team to get the word out on the new date and time. But the reality is that it is the fringe fans that fill the rink ... not the hardcore fans. The hardcore fans are there every night. The fringe fans get behind a winner ... and only occasionally support a mid-pack team. Halifax is a mid-pack team now but were lower earlier in the season. It takes time to turn those fringe fans around when the team has improved. That's all very true. I think accounting for a big of a hangover is expected after 3 years of deep runs.
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Post by Gman on Dec 18, 2014 17:40:31 GMT -4
Unrealistic expectations about attendance. 9000 a night in a rebuild year? Not sure if Halifax averaged 9000 per night during the last 3 winning seasons.
It's junior hockey dude. Most people in HRM barely know the Mooseheads exist, and even fewer give a shit. That's just the way it is... in pretty much every junior hockey city in Canada. None of them sell out, and the ones that get near capacity are only because their rink is too small.
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 18, 2014 17:56:46 GMT -4
I think trading Fucale/Murphy, baring any other significant trades, Keeps Halifax from taking a step backward next year. It will not improve the team just make up for the loses that do occur to the lineup. That being the 3 20s and 19s that will move on due to too many and not good enough. Ehlers gone as well.
If Ehlers comes back, which I am not counting on, its a different story. Moose have to use their first pick for import just in case. That would get trade return on either Ehlers or Meiers. Trading Ehlers this year and a couple others could speed everything up a year.
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