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Post by sc74 on Dec 10, 2014 22:38:41 GMT -4
A player has to be healthy to be traded , does he not ? If he was in fact a player headed to Moncton on the 19th , the trade will need to be adjusted. Likely he now comes at the draft and the Wildcats will get someone else in the mean time. Maybe an Alex McQuaid ? Graves was out until November when Quebec acquired him in August. So he can still be traded. I also think the deal might be modified but not the big pieces.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 10, 2014 22:41:52 GMT -4
A player has to be healthy to be traded , does he not ? If he was in fact a player headed to Moncton on the 19th , the trade will need to be adjusted. Likely he now comes at the draft and the Wildcats will get someone else in the mean time. Maybe an Alex McQuaid ? Lol ....well if Donaghey now comes at the draft ... then so does Sweeney. Why should they get Sweeney and Donaghey together. The deal still happens ... they'll just have to add picks to make up the difference. Instead of the deal happening Dec 19 it now gets bumped to the last day of the trade period ... then Donaghey only misses 4 weeks from our roster.
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Post by lirette on Dec 10, 2014 22:58:39 GMT -4
I know its one game but I really don't see what Moody adds to this deal that the cats have a need for..hes currently playing on the 4th line as an 18 YO. We already have lots of guys that can play a checking role and chip in on offense here and there. If you are moving your 2nd best asset, someone I'd consider to be a top 5 dman in the Q(my opinion), does a checking line forward, average 20 yo goaltender and a #2-3 defenseman really seem to make any sense for a return?
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 10, 2014 23:03:24 GMT -4
I know its one game but I really don't see what Moody adds to this deal that the cats have a need for..hes currently playing on the 4th line as an 18 YO. We already have lots of guys that can play a checking role and chip in on offense here and there. If you are moving your 2nd best asset, someone I'd consider to be a top 5 dman in the Q(my opinion), does a checking line forward, average 20 yo goaltender and a #2-3 defenseman really seem to make any sense for a return? Moody is just speculation ... could be another forward.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 10, 2014 23:25:48 GMT -4
A player has to be healthy to be traded , does he not ? If he was in fact a player headed to Moncton on the 19th , the trade will need to be adjusted. Likely he now comes at the draft and the Wildcats will get someone else in the mean time. Maybe an Alex McQuaid ? There is nothing to indicate the players were not healthy at the time of the trade...on Friday. you can't back out of a trade after players already changed hands.
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Post by catnut on Dec 10, 2014 23:53:34 GMT -4
A player has to be healthy to be traded , does he not ? If he was in fact a player headed to Moncton on the 19th , the trade will need to be adjusted. Likely he now comes at the draft and the Wildcats will get someone else in the mean time. Maybe an Alex McQuaid ? There is nothing to indicate the players were not healthy at the time of the trade...on Friday. you can't back out of a trade after players already changed hands. But Donaghey wasn't traded on Friday. They are separate trades, even if they are negotiated at the same time.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Dec 10, 2014 23:58:48 GMT -4
I have no idea how such things work, but I highly doubt the second part of the trade was sent to the league office and "signed off" on. This is going to be very interesting.
Oh in case anyone was keeping track the Cats now have the 3rd best winning percentage in the Q...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 11, 2014 8:19:08 GMT -4
There is nothing to indicate the players were not healthy at the time of the trade...on Friday. you can't back out of a trade after players already changed hands. But Donaghey wasn't traded on Friday. They are separate trades, even if they are negotiated at the same time. as far as the teams are concerned it's one big trade. It wouldn't be good for Shannon to back out of a done deal, especially when it's his player that injured his future player. Maybe Quebec adds a mid round pick out of goodwill, but I doubt it's anything more.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 11, 2014 8:25:33 GMT -4
But Donaghey wasn't traded on Friday. They are separate trades, even if they are negotiated at the same time. as far as the teams are concerned it's one big trade. It wouldn't be good for Shannon to back out of a done deal, especially when it's his player that injured his future player. Maybe Quebec adds a mid round pick out of goodwill, but I doubt it's anything more. If that is the case then nobody involved should have been playing last night. The deal hasn't happened yet ... things have changed ... it needs to be revisited. The simple approach is to leave the deal to the end of the trade period ... each team gets 4 weeks of Donaghey's injury time ... Sweeney plays 4 extra weeks for Moncton. Then ... switch the 8th for a 6th ... done.
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Dec 11, 2014 8:25:46 GMT -4
But Donaghey wasn't traded on Friday. They are separate trades, even if they are negotiated at the same time. as far as the teams are concerned it's one big trade. It wouldn't be good for Shannon to back out of a done deal, especially when it's his player that injured his future player. Maybe Quebec adds a mid round pick out of goodwill, but I doubt it's anything more. Donaghey coming Dec.19th shows us that Shannon wanted a dman coming back right away or Quebec could have kept him until the draft. Now that he's out I'm hoping we get a guy like McQuaid who's value is around a 4th round pick. That fills a little bit of the gaping whole Sweeney leaves behind.
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Dec 11, 2014 8:27:28 GMT -4
It's simple , when the trade was made it was for healthy players. Now one is not. They'll need to revisit it.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 11, 2014 8:52:12 GMT -4
as far as the teams are concerned it's one big trade. It wouldn't be good for Shannon to back out of a done deal, especially when it's his player that injured his future player. Maybe Quebec adds a mid round pick out of goodwill, but I doubt it's anything more. Donaghey coming Dec.19th shows us that Shannon wanted a dman coming back right away or Quebec could have kept him until the draft. Now that he's out I'm hoping we get a guy like McQuaid who's value is around a 4th round pick. That fills a little bit of the gaping whole Sweeney leaves behind. You do realize that ... under your scenario ... Quebec would have Donaghey back by the end of January ... and have Sweeney ... which would be perfect for them. If we are giving up Donaghey for the rest of this year and they are getting Sweeney for the rest of the year ... then that is a huge change to the trade. That isn't the same trade at all. The deal can still be worked out with a few minor adjustments ... 1. Change the trade date to Jan 6 instead of Dec 19. 2. Add/swap some amount of picks that cover the cost of losing Donaghey for 4 weeks. I suggest we send back the 8th and they send a 6th ... or something similar. 3. If Donaghey's injury is of a longer term ... set provisions for different time periods. If he misses 10 extra games from this injury ... they add more to the deal ... if he misses 20 or more ... more is added again. Anybody that thinks that because we caused the injury, it is our problem, is nuts. If he got hurt tonight vs Halifax in the same way ... would you expect the trade to go forward as is ? He got hurt playing hockey ... while he was scheduled to be part of a trade ... doesn't matter who did it. Should we have taken it easy on these guys last night so nobody would get hurt ?
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Post by jimmy on Dec 11, 2014 8:58:45 GMT -4
Don't forget, the source of the 8 week timeline is not necessarily the holy gospel ... Anything coming out of Quebec would obviously have a heavy incentive to downplay the extent of the injury ... Unless the Cats management are complete idiots, they will insist on having the player or his medical records examined by their own doctors to determine the scope of the injury, and how to proceed from there.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 11, 2014 9:02:00 GMT -4
Don't forget, the source of the 8 week timeline is not necessarily the holy gospel ... Anything coming out of Quebec would obviously have a heavy incentive to downplay the extent of the injury ... Unless the Cats management are complete idiots, they will insist on having the player or his medical records examined by their own doctors to determine the scope of the injury, and how to proceed from there. Well he was examined in Moncton already so I'll bet Moncton had their own Dr already there ... and Graham Black.
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Post by jimmy on Dec 11, 2014 9:38:58 GMT -4
Don't forget, the source of the 8 week timeline is not necessarily the holy gospel ... Anything coming out of Quebec would obviously have a heavy incentive to downplay the extent of the injury ... Unless the Cats management are complete idiots, they will insist on having the player or his medical records examined by their own doctors to determine the scope of the injury, and how to proceed from there. Well he was examined in Moncton already so I'll bet Moncton had their own Dr already there ... and Graham Black. Good point ...
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