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Post by DropThePuck on Dec 11, 2014 15:54:27 GMT -4
I couldn't make it to the game so I listened in on radio and the PBP guy mentioned it on several occasions....oh the "Boo Birds" are out tonight Couldn't really hear it on the radio though...I did hear a few extra cheers when he took a check though. Great game (from what I heard....) I really hope we aren't selling the farm. I realize we aren't Memorial Cup contenders but I like the potential of this team. I also agree that Jacob needs to be with this team now! I've seen him multiple times in the lineup and he makes things happen. He has all skill to be an elite player in this league, despite his size. Great win last night...I hope they build off it.
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Post by elementz on Dec 11, 2014 15:55:44 GMT -4
I don't think he was ever hurt. He mysteriously was out injured after he was benched a few times in his final few games ... for a lack of effort and stupid selfish penalties. Last night ... he started out very strong in the game but seemed to disappear as the game went on ... only noticing him on the PP. Looked like the same thing we saw here this year ... but he kept his stick in check. The kid has great skill ... can be a difference maker ... but he has to realize it won't come to him without hard work ... and he has to realize that he'll be a target and can't react to that. He worked his ass off in the playoffs last year and had a great series ... so great that he got an invite to Edmonton. Question. What happened to that other Russian kid we had a few years back that didn't make out here, think we traded him to now defunct Maine(Lewiston)team. Yes, I noticed that as well(1st period play) but he didn't seem to play a lot second period and was kind of invisible. I also heard from well known sources he wanted out of Moncton upon return from the NHL stint. Kiril Kabanov...He's playing in the Swedish Hockey League.
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Post by DropThePuck on Dec 11, 2014 16:12:00 GMT -4
Question. What happened to that other Russian kid we had a few years back that didn't make out here, think we traded him to now defunct Maine(Lewiston)team. Yes, I noticed that as well(1st period play) but he didn't seem to play a lot second period and was kind of invisible. I also heard from well known sources he wanted out of Moncton upon return from the NHL stint. Kiril Kabanov...He's playing in the Swedish Hockey League. Probably stealing swedish berries from his coach's desk
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Post by sc74 on Dec 11, 2014 16:13:22 GMT -4
Kabanov is playing with Nick Sorensen. Well... Kabanov is playing. Sorensen is just injured like usual.
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Post by juliansteed on Dec 11, 2014 18:01:19 GMT -4
I heard boo's on 1-2 occasions but really nothing substantial, maybe 5-10 people at most. The bigger reaction was when he got hit in the corner there was loud cheers. There seemed to be a rumor that he asked for a trade, I never read anywhere that was confirmed so I see no need to boo the kid. I heard some and Moncton's PBP mentionned it every time Tkachev touched the puck last night. I thought it was a bit stupid. You'll always have stupid fans everywhere. I'm not a Cats fan and while I agree that there are stupid fans everywhere, I can't say I agree that this is an example of that. Booing visiting players from time to time has always been part of the game, especially when there is speculation that this player asked to traded (whether it's reality or only speculation), and when the player apparently had some work ethic issues while he played for your team. I've seen guys get booed for much less. I've heard guys get booed on the road for no other reason than the fact they are very good players. If people were to harass him out in public, send nasty message etc. that would be different. But under these circumstances some mild booing when he returns to face his old team for the 1st time to maybe get him off his game is all in good fun. I'm sure Tkachev probably enjoyed it.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 11, 2014 18:11:16 GMT -4
I always thought booing former players, for no reason at all as of now, is stupid. Also funny now that Tkachev is gone, he had no work ethic and didn't bring much offensively but Moncton didn't get enough for him...
Let's agree to disagree on the booing.
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Post by lirette on Dec 11, 2014 18:44:39 GMT -4
I always thought booing former players, for no reason at all as of now, is stupid. Also funny now that Tkachev is gone, he had no work ethic and didn't bring much offensively but Moncton didn't get enough for him... Let's agree to disagree on the booing. It is very hard to understand what we actually got in return for Tkachev if you are lumping the Sweeney deal and making it 1 big deal. If you look at the trade as it stands now it looks to most fans here like we got a spare 20 year old that would have been dealt anyway (myself I am a big fan of Burke so i dont see him as a spare part) and 2 low end draft picks. Despite his work ethic on defense that still seems very low for a top line forward. I also don't have any inside sources so i have no clue what has gone on behind closed doors, did he ask for a trade and he was offered around the league and that was the best offer? Thats the frustrating part of being a fan when these things happen. I didn't see anyone saying he doesnt bring much offensively, his game is strictly offense. He's pretty good at lifting guys stick and stealing the puck if he wants to but most of what you see from him in the defensive zone is he looks like one of those guys on those old table hockey games, Pierre Mcguire wouldn't be impressed with his "inactive stick"
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 11, 2014 19:20:41 GMT -4
I heard some and Moncton's PBP mentionned it every time Tkachev touched the puck last night. I thought it was a bit stupid. You'll always have stupid fans everywhere. I'm not a Cats fan and while I agree that there are stupid fans everywhere, I can't say I agree that this is an example of that. Booing visiting players from time to time has always been part of the game, especially when there is speculation that this player asked to traded (whether it's reality or only speculation), and when the player apparently had some work ethic issues while he played for your team. I've seen guys get booed for much less. I've heard guys get booed on the road for no other reason than the fact they are very good players. If people were to harass him out in public, send nasty message etc. that would be different. But under these circumstances some mild booing when he returns to face his old team for the 1st time to maybe get him off his game is all in good fun. I'm sure Tkachev probably enjoyed it. I disagree ... the whole concept of booing any person is low brow. To do it every time a player touches the puck is bizarre to me ... What are you accomplishing ? And again ... there was not any sort of onging boofest for Tkachev ... there were a smattering of boos by what i'd guess were 50 people when he first touched the puck ... but I never heard it again throughout the game. The Ref got booed several times for his call on Barbashev and then the immediate bad make up call against the Remps ... and perhaps that is what we are talking about. The Refs had a rough night. There was booing for McQuaid when he made a scene going to the box ... lots of booing on the night ... just not any great amount directed at Tkachev.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 11, 2014 19:25:55 GMT -4
I always thought booing former players, for no reason at all as of now, is stupid. Also funny now that Tkachev is gone, he had no work ethic and didn't bring much offensively but Moncton didn't get enough for him... Let's agree to disagree on the booing. He only had work ethic issues over the last handful of games he played here ... and was benched for it twice that I recall. He is great offensively when he is into the game ... was great last year ... but wasn't quite the same when he came back from Edmonton ... not sure what happened. He is worth more than we got and will get ... but he devalued himself somewhat. I think the benching lead to him asking to be traded.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 11, 2014 19:31:07 GMT -4
I always thought booing former players, for no reason at all as of now, is stupid. Also funny now that Tkachev is gone, he had no work ethic and didn't bring much offensively but Moncton didn't get enough for him... Let's agree to disagree on the booing. It is very hard to understand what we actually got in return for Tkachev if you are lumping the Sweeney deal and making it 1 big deal. If you look at the trade as it stands now it looks to most fans here like we got a spare 20 year old that would have been dealt anyway (myself I am a big fan of Burke so i dont see him as a spare part) and 2 low end draft picks. Despite his work ethic on defense that still seems very low for a top line forward. I also don't have any inside sources so i have no clue what has gone on behind closed doors, did he ask for a trade and he was offered around the league and that was the best offer? Thats the frustrating part of being a fan when these things happen. I didn't see anyone saying he doesnt bring much offensively, his game is strictly offense. He's pretty good at lifting guys stick and stealing the puck if he wants to but most of what you see from him in the defensive zone is he looks like one of those guys on those old table hockey games, Pierre Mcguire wouldn't be impressed with his "inactive stick" I think if you break the expected trade down ... it is ... Tkachev ... for Burke, and Brassard at the draft .... I assume the 7th or 8th or both go back for Brassard. and then Sweeney ... for Donaghey and Moody (or the other guy).
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Post by theqprofessor on Dec 11, 2014 19:35:16 GMT -4
Just a thought but the Wildcats have been playing great for awhile without Lalonde and Tkachev. You add Burke don't see what's wrong with the deal, whatever other players are going or coming should help for next season. Tkachev won't be in the Q next season anyway
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Post by theqprofessor on Dec 11, 2014 19:36:38 GMT -4
If it's Sweeney for those 2 then deal is that lopsided
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Post by Arnold Slick on Dec 12, 2014 0:07:47 GMT -4
How do you figure that on Murphy? Aside from the high picks Laberge and Dubois I'd say Murphy stacks up pretty well so far against any of the other forwards taken in the 1st round. While I agree there's often a lot of propaganda BS surrounding players that the Cats get to report, I do seem to recall outside sources calling him a 1st round talent. The work ethic thing doesn't help. maybe that will change but showing up to camp 10lbs overweight and out of shape isn't great. In terms of him vs other 1st rounders, it's hard to fully judge because some of them are less physically developed. It's the Henley thing, when kids are bigger it's easier to produce at a young age, but a later developing kid may be better at 18 or 19. There are exceptions, where kids have just had a growth spurt and are still gaining coordination like Myers(RN). Steve Bernier was able to dominate the Q at 16 and 17 because his body was fully developed but he also paeked earlier because of that vs a Patrice Bergeron who was in MAAA at 16 and pretty good at 17 and in the NHL at 18 and 20...turned out to be a better pro. If you're talking about work ethic on the ice I really have to disagree with you on that. He's done nothing during game action to tell me that he doesn't work hard. I'll give him a pass if he didn't show up to camp in tip top shape. I think sometimes rookies don't fully realize the effort that's required to put in to play at this level. Furthermore I'm not sure he even really knew he was going to end up playing here until he came up to training camp. He also missed significant time in camp which was definitely a setback. The conditioning seems to be improving so I definitely believe he's putting in the work off the ice and the results are starting to come on it.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 12, 2014 8:00:58 GMT -4
Just a thought but the Wildcats have been playing great for awhile without Lalonde and Tkachev. You add Burke don't see what's wrong with the deal, whatever other players are going or coming should help for next season. Tkachev won't be in the Q next season anyway I think if you are willing to move older players like that and you're not a top contender, get young assets that will help you long term.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 12, 2014 8:12:33 GMT -4
Hodge confirmed the deal this morning ... sort of. He said we'd be getting Donaghey and Moody and Brassard at the draft. He had no problem naming these players but wouldn't name who we were sending. He also said the deal is in jeopardy with Donaghey's injury.
Somebody on here asked if injured players can be traded. Hodge indicated that the Q instilled a rule that they cannot be traded unless both parties are fully aware of the injury and agree.
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