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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 14, 2015 6:14:56 GMT -4
You must have jumped on the bandwagon in 2012. Halifax had to hit the bottom to build that powerhouse. They still had lots of fans during those years. Plus you can't rely on top picks not wanting to go where they are drafted every year. 2010. And as it sits they pretty much have stocked up what they had when they drafted Nathan and jo. Not gonna be 1-2 but with everything else they have, they don't have to sell everything like they did to be a contender in the next few years. No, the Mooseheads aren't even close to what they had in 2011. The group of 16s-17s-18s that the Mooseheads have is more comparable to what they had in 2010. Best case scenario as far as where the Mooseheads finish in 2015-2016 will be mid-pack with the lineup they have currently. And that is with at least one of CB, CHA, SJ, MON underachieving maybe two of them underachieving. The Mooseheads have assets to trade away this year ie Meier, Donaghey, D. Moynihan, perhaps Brassard and they will likely be in a position to be sellers this year. To not do so would be very stupid on Cam's part to not look to the future and make deals with that in mind.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jul 14, 2015 6:54:20 GMT -4
2010. And as it sits they pretty much have stocked up what they had when they drafted Nathan and jo. Not gonna be 1-2 but with everything else they have, they don't have to sell everything like they did to be a contender in the next few years. No, the Mooseheads aren't even close to what they had in 2011. The group of 16s-17s-18s that the Mooseheads have is more comparable to what they had in 2010. Best case scenario as far as where the Mooseheads finish in 2015-2016 will be mid-pack with the lineup they have currently. And that is with at least one of CB, CHA, SJ, MON underachieving maybe two of them underachieving. The Mooseheads have assets to trade away this year ie Meier, Donaghey, D. Moynihan, perhaps Brassard and they will likely be in a position to be sellers this year. To not do so would be very stupid on Cam's part to not look to the future and make deals with that in mind. I think the majority of fans would understand the selloff and I hope he(Russell) doesn't keep guys around just to have a "competitive" team for the fans. I don't mind sitting thru some sub par hockey, but watching kids develop and getting some great draft picks.
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Post by Gman on Jul 14, 2015 8:12:58 GMT -4
No, the Mooseheads aren't even close to what they had in 2011. The group of 16s-17s-18s that the Mooseheads have is more comparable to what they had in 2010. Best case scenario as far as where the Mooseheads finish in 2015-2016 will be mid-pack with the lineup they have currently. And that is with at least one of CB, CHA, SJ, MON underachieving maybe two of them underachieving. The Mooseheads have assets to trade away this year ie Meier, Donaghey, D. Moynihan, perhaps Brassard and they will likely be in a position to be sellers this year. To not do so would be very stupid on Cam's part to not look to the future and make deals with that in mind. I think the majority of fans would understand the selloff and I hope he(Russell) doesn't keep guys around just to have a "competitive" team for the fans. I don't mind sitting thru some sub par hockey, but watching kids develop and getting some great draft picks. A lot of fans wouldn't understand the sell off 2 years in a row. Many believe that it only takes one year of selling to rebuild properly. But the fact is, the name of the game is opportunity- take advantage of market conditions when you can't win it all to set yourself up for a multi year run.
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Post by sjc on Jul 14, 2015 9:54:55 GMT -4
I think the majority of fans would understand the selloff and I hope he(Russell) doesn't keep guys around just to have a "competitive" team for the fans. I don't mind sitting thru some sub par hockey, but watching kids develop and getting some great draft picks. A lot of fans wouldn't understand the sell off 2 years in a row. Many believe that it only takes one year of selling to rebuild properly. But the fact is, the name of the game is opportunity- take advantage of market conditions when you can't win it all to set yourself up for a multi year run. You do not need to sell the farm to rebuild. The scouts have been doing a good job. They lose like 6-7 guys so it will be a team that already has some chemistry. The more you give up the you just start the cycle all over again.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jul 14, 2015 10:23:49 GMT -4
Regardless of a full 'fire sale' or not, we should be trading Donaghey. He's part of the Fucale haul so we need to turn him into young assets. a 19 year old dman doesn't help our rebuild, and that was the purpose of trading Fucale in the first place. We probably hang on to him until xmas, though.
If we can get both of these new euros to report, i'd be all for trading Meier too. As long as he's on board and it doesn't damage relations with our european connections.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 14, 2015 11:02:58 GMT -4
A lot of fans wouldn't understand the sell off 2 years in a row. Many believe that it only takes one year of selling to rebuild properly. But the fact is, the name of the game is opportunity- take advantage of market conditions when you can't win it all to set yourself up for a multi year run. You do not need to sell the farm to rebuild. The scouts have been doing a good job. They lose like 6-7 guys so it will be a team that already has some chemistry. The more you give up the you just start the cycle all over again. And the more you stand pat the more likely you end up always being half decent but never true contenders and then having to overpay to bring in what is needed to even have a chance to bring a championship in and then you have a long rebuilding process. I would much rather supplement the young 16-18 core the Mooseheads have with young players and draft picks than sit on our asses this year and go out in the 2nd round at best and have nothing to show for the guys that could and should be traded. EDIT- The Mooseheads lose like 6-7 guys; you don't bother to mention the 6-7 guys include Ehlers, Hardie, Gadoury, Falkenham, one of Bent or Leblanc;both perhaps but they provided some experience and grit; the Mooseheads could also lose Meier as he is signed already.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 14, 2015 11:07:35 GMT -4
A lot of fans wouldn't understand the sell off 2 years in a row. Many believe that it only takes one year of selling to rebuild properly. But the fact is, the name of the game is opportunity- take advantage of market conditions when you can't win it all to set yourself up for a multi year run. You do not need to sell the farm to rebuild. The scouts have been doing a good job. They lose like 6-7 guys so it will be a team that already has some chemistry. The more you give up the you just start the cycle all over again. You keep saying the scouts are doing a great job. Outside of your Euro's, who come via your money and contacts, you've been no real better at drafting in the midget draft then most other Maritime teams. Every team hits on a top 6 forward or top 4 D with the odd mid round pick. I just don't see how your scouts are doing such a great job, throwing Ehlers and Meier out every 2nd shift is what got you into the 2nd round of the playoffs.
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Post by sjc on Jul 14, 2015 11:23:00 GMT -4
Brassard, Donaghey, Leblanc, Watt and Tailliefer are the only ones I'd trade before the season starts. I still say the team they have now they will finish 10th maybe higher depending on who decides to make a run for the cups this year.
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Post by sjc on Jul 14, 2015 11:40:15 GMT -4
You do not need to sell the farm to rebuild. The scouts have been doing a good job. They lose like 6-7 guys so it will be a team that already has some chemistry. The more you give up the you just start the cycle all over again. You keep saying the scouts are doing a great job. Outside of your Euro's, who come via your money and contacts, you've been no real better at drafting in the midget draft then most other Maritime teams. Every team hits on a top 6 forward or top 4 D with the odd mid round pick. I just don't see how your scouts are doing such a great job, throwing Ehlers and Meier out every 2nd shift is what got you into the 2nd round of the playoffs. If the moose could have gotten eichel and Marino to report they would have won 3 in a row. And its just not the draft. Weegar, Gadoury, Danny and Connar, Vuic,(he played his role) Hunter (he played well until he got hurt.
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Post by Briwhel on Jul 14, 2015 11:42:34 GMT -4
I would still go with the rebuild. Move Meier, Brassard, Donaghey, etc. I doubt Ehlers is back. If he is, trade him too. Would you go watch a last place team? You don't need to sell the team for a rebuild, the scouts have done a good job finding good talent.Getting kids to report is the problem and no one wants to come so a crap team with little chance of winning. Having the kids there who are drafted gives NHL clubs looks at people they normally wouldn't. Although I do agree with trading Brassard and Donaghey. Let's explore this thought... Top 6 forwards in the last 5 years (40+ points) Ehlers (Euro) Meier (Euro) Moynihan (invite, drafted his brother to get him to report) Gadoury (invite) Drouin (drafted 2nd overall) Ashley (drafted 25th overall, would only report to SJ or Halifax) Andrews (drafted 15th overall, would only report to Halifax) Ryan (drafted 19th overall, would only report to a Maritime team) Ciampini (drafted 2nd overall) Frk (Euro) Boudreau (drafted 49th overall) MacKinnon (traded for) Fournier (traded for) MacAulay (traded for) Grenier (traded for) Critchlow (dispersal draft) Gelinas (drafted 72nd overall) Top 4 D over the same timeframe (looser definition) Murphy (traded for) Fitzgerald (invite) Weegar (traded for) Hardie (traded for) Lewis (drafted 67th overall) Abeltshauser (Euro) Amyot (traded for) Gillard (drafted 181st overall) Starting goalies Fucale (drafted 11th overall with pick from Lewiston dispersal draft) Corbeil (drafted 62nd overall) Brassard (traded for)
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Post by Briwhel on Jul 14, 2015 11:49:01 GMT -4
Let's look at SJ over the same time frame
FW Drafted Smallman Noel Joseph Cooper Highmore Huberdeau Tesink Kirkpatrick Anthony MacAulay
Euro Galiev Jurco
Traded for/Other Philips Gauthier
Top 4 D Drafted Leblanc Chabot Despres Beaulieu Gagne Durepos Green
Traded for Roussel Gelinas
Starting Goalie Drafted Auger
Traded for Corbeil
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 14, 2015 11:54:04 GMT -4
Let's look at SJ over the same time frame FW Drafted Smallman Noel Joseph Cooper Highmore Huberdeau Tesink Kirkpatrick Anthony MacAulay Euro Galiev Jurco Traded for/Other Philips Gauthier Top 4 D Drafted Leblanc Chabot Despres Beaulieu Gagne Durepos Green Traded for Roussel Gelinas Starting Goalie Drafted Auger Traded for Corbeil Yeah and SJ had lots of high draft picks and had guys who played the NCAA card as well. Beaulieu you got because his of his dad.
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Post by Briwhel on Jul 14, 2015 11:57:08 GMT -4
Let's look at SJ over the same time frame FW Drafted Smallman Noel Joseph Cooper Highmore Huberdeau Tesink Kirkpatrick Anthony MacAulay Euro Galiev Jurco Traded for/Other Philips Gauthier Top 4 D Drafted Leblanc Chabot Despres Beaulieu Gagne Durepos Green Traded for Roussel Gelinas Starting Goalie Drafted Auger Traded for Corbeil Yeah and SJ had lots of high draft picks and had guys who played the NCAA card as well. Beaulieu you got because his of his dad. The NCAA guys were Huberdeau (same as Drouin), Durepos (wanted SJ or Moncton), Phillips and Anthony (wanted SJ or Halifax). Beaulieu would have reported to any Q team (he was rated as a 5th rounder by Central Scouting and we took him in the 4th).
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Post by Briwhel on Jul 14, 2015 12:00:25 GMT -4
My point though was that you can't say that Halifax has a GREAT draft record when comparing your last 5 years (which is the year before the MacKinnon draft forward with only one reduced pick draft) to a team like Saint John (which had all their players graduate in the middle of the cycle like you are at now) yields that we had less top 6 forwards (17 to 14) but more drafted by us (10 to 7). We had one more top 4 D (9 to 8), but 5 more drafted by us (7 to 2), and you've drafted 2 starting goalies to our 1.
I took SJ as a SJ fan, but if you took Charlottetown, I would expect comparable numbers (though worse obviously). If you took one of the Quebec teams other than Quebec, things would likely look uglier.
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Post by Briwhel on Jul 14, 2015 12:08:09 GMT -4
Cape Breton (who is lamented for poor drafting) has 7, 2, and 0 over the same time frame.
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