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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 4, 2015 9:01:40 GMT -4
Shannon dropped more hints this morning...said they are looking for a couple FA forwards to play top 6, so there will be a backlog in the 3rd and 4th lines if that happens. Obviously with the Euros, at least one will play top 6. Garland-Askew Smith-Johnson Plus 2 Euros and FA's battling for spots in the top 6. Leger-Bower-Tibbo-Cormier-Murphy-Euro-Jacob-Corson-Archibald-Duquette-MacEwen for bottom 6 and extras. Expect a couple to be traded... If the goalie is an OA then Zilbert and Beaton are out. Hodge also hinted that Rioux might not be on the team at all, likely coming from the GM himself off the record, they are obviously looking for goaltending by trade or FA. He must have the FAs lined up for him to say something like that. It seems unlikely he would just say that and then going looking for them. It's not like top 6 free agents are everywhere since if they are good enough to play this role they are doing so, on someone else's team It could also be a way to challenge guys like Leger Askew and Murphy, guys that have the ability to play top 6 but need to step it up in terms of work ethic off ice or intensity on the ice. Garland Johnson and Smith should be locks for the top 6 F, the other 3 spots are pretty wide open.
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Post by joehockey on Jun 4, 2015 9:10:16 GMT -4
He must have the FAs lined up for him to say something like that. It seems unlikely he would just say that and then going looking for them. It's not like top 6 free agents are everywhere since if they are good enough to play this role they are doing so, on someone else's team It could also be a way to challenge guys like Leger Askew and Murphy, guys that have the ability to play top 6 but need to step it up in terms of work ethic off ice or intensity on the ice. Garland Johnson and Smith should be locks for the top 6 F, the other 3 spots are pretty wide open. Agree, tomorrow should be interesting. I assume they will try to move some of those surplus forwards and maybe Johnston tomorrow instead of having to wait until training camp or Christmas where they would already be cut and so only be worth penny's on the dollar. I guess they could wait longer on Johnston to see if they actually bring in an overage goalie.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 4, 2015 9:22:51 GMT -4
It could also be a way to challenge guys like Leger Askew and Murphy, guys that have the ability to play top 6 but need to step it up in terms of work ethic off ice or intensity on the ice. Garland Johnson and Smith should be locks for the top 6 F, the other 3 spots are pretty wide open. Agree, tomorrow should be interesting. I assume they will try to move some of those surplus forwards and maybe Johnston tomorrow instead of having to wait until training camp or Christmas where they would already be cut and so only be worth penny's on the dollar. I guess they could wait longer on Johnston to see if they actually bring in an overage goalie. I think there's a 50% chance that Sweeney is moved. He would have more value and would help add one or two high end young players. I think it will be hard adding an 18 or 19 year old goalie without paying a big price, goaltending is at a premium, look at what CB paid for Belanger last trading period. If they want a guy with a track record in the Q it will be hard to afford a non OA without trading the 1st rounder or some top young players.
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Post by joehockey on Jun 4, 2015 9:27:57 GMT -4
Agree, tomorrow should be interesting. I assume they will try to move some of those surplus forwards and maybe Johnston tomorrow instead of having to wait until training camp or Christmas where they would already be cut and so only be worth penny's on the dollar. I guess they could wait longer on Johnston to see if they actually bring in an overage goalie. I think there's a 50% chance that Sweeney is moved. He would have more value and would help add one or two high end young players. I think it will be hard adding an 18 or 19 year old goalie without paying a big price, goaltending is at a premium, look at what CB paid for Belanger last trading period. If they want a guy with a track record in the Q it will be hard to afford a non OA without trading the 1st rounder or some top young players. Who are the non-maritime division contenders this year? I think VD but they are supposedly getting Brouillard from Quebec, Shawinigan should be pretty good too. Seems likely it would be a team looking to contend that wants to make the move for Sweeney if he is traded.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 4, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 4, 2015 10:09:00 GMT -4
Potential 19 or 20 year olds by trade:
Cadorette(20) BC...would cost a ton though Turcotte(20) BBA...rumored headed to SJ Sullivan(20) CB...not a high end option but upgrade on Rioux MacCallum(19) Char...very fringe for a starter Phaneuf(20) Chi...see Sullivan Brodeur(20) Dru...see Sullivan/Phaneuf Lachance(20) Gat...unproven Guindon(20) Rim...only if Desrosiers is sent back, unlikely Bureau(19) She...with Fitzpatrick possibly taking over as #1 they might move Bureau but unlikely
Most are guys that are fringe starters at this point. Sullivan might be the best option at a decent cost(4th to 7th rounder).
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Post by catnut on Jun 4, 2015 10:13:10 GMT -4
Potential 19 or 20 year olds by trade: Cadorette(20) BC...would cost a ton though Turcotte(20) BBA...rumored headed to SJ Sullivan(20) CB...not a high end option but upgrade on Rioux MacCallum(19) Char...very fringe for a starter Phaneuf(20) Chi...see Sullivan Brodeur(20) Dru...see Sullivan/Phaneuf Lachance(20) Gat...unproven Guindon(20) Rim...only if Desrosiers is sent back, unlikely Bureau(19) She...with Fitzpatrick possibly taking over as #1 they might move Bureau but unlikely Most are guys that are fringe starters at this point. Sullivan might be the best option at a decent cost(4th to 7th rounder). I would try for Bouchard in VDO, they will likely go with Montpetit as starter who is younger. He would be cheaper and would not take an OA spot.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 4, 2015 10:39:02 GMT -4
Potential 19 or 20 year olds by trade: Cadorette(20) BC...would cost a ton though Turcotte(20) BBA...rumored headed to SJ Sullivan(20) CB...not a high end option but upgrade on Rioux MacCallum(19) Char...very fringe for a starter Phaneuf(20) Chi...see Sullivan Brodeur(20) Dru...see Sullivan/Phaneuf Lachance(20) Gat...unproven Guindon(20) Rim...only if Desrosiers is sent back, unlikely Bureau(19) She...with Fitzpatrick possibly taking over as #1 they might move Bureau but unlikely Most are guys that are fringe starters at this point. Sullivan might be the best option at a decent cost(4th to 7th rounder). I would try for Bouchard in VDO, they will likely go with Montpetit as starter who is younger. He would be cheaper and would not take an OA spot. Bouchard would likely cost more than the guys on the list outside of maybe Cadorette.
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Post by bois on Jun 4, 2015 10:49:44 GMT -4
In today's T&T, Roger Shannon says there's the possibility for three goalies to go in the first round. I'm assuming he means Derick Baribeau, Alex D'Orio and Zachary Bouthilier. Of those three, Bouthilier is said to have the most potential. One who could have a Zach Fucale-like Q career. Moncton fans may hate him, but you can't deny the his accomplishments in 4 seasons. I admit to not being a scout or having seen any of these kids play but I have read alot in the last month or so and everything I read has the other two goalies as heads and shoulders better than anyone else... so how is it that you say Bouthilier has the most potential? If that were true why would he not be the one considered likely to go in the top 5?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 11:21:23 GMT -4
In today's T&T, Roger Shannon says there's the possibility for three goalies to go in the first round. I'm assuming he means Derick Baribeau, Alex D'Orio and Zachary Bouthilier. Of those three, Bouthilier is said to have the most potential. One who could have a Zach Fucale-like Q career. Moncton fans may hate him, but you can't deny the his accomplishments in 4 seasons. I admit to not being a scout or having seen any of these kids play but I have read alot in the last month or so and everything I read has the other two goalies as heads and shoulders better than anyone else... so how is it that you say Bouthilier has the most potential? If that were true why would he not be the one considered likely to go in the top 5? Baribeau and D'Orio had better seasons. In 2011, Fucale wasn't even ranked in the 1st round by CSR. He went 11th overall. At the end of the day, it all comes down to what the team scouts think. Will Baribeau and D'Orio be the first two goalies selected? Yes. But Bouthilier will have the most success in this league.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 4, 2015 11:38:04 GMT -4
I admit to not being a scout or having seen any of these kids play but I have read alot in the last month or so and everything I read has the other two goalies as heads and shoulders better than anyone else... so how is it that you say Bouthilier has the most potential? If that were true why would he not be the one considered likely to go in the top 5? Baribeau and D'Orio had better seasons. In 2011, Fucale wasn't even ranked in the 1st round by CSR. He went 11th overall. At the end of the day, it all comes down to what the team scouts think. Will Baribeau and D'Orio be the first two goalies selected? Yes. But Bouthilier will have the most success in this league. That's not a fact though, it's an opinion.
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Post by chootoi on Jun 4, 2015 11:39:24 GMT -4
The Cats never used to be shy about taking goalies early. Crawford, Domingue, Blanchard, Riopel were all 1st round picks I believe.Domigue was the last one 7 years ago. Since then the earliest they have picked a goalie is the 5th round (Flinn, Trudeau, Dupre). I'm not sure if that was an influence by Frantz Jean or not, but the quality of goaltending has certainly been down since he left. Tough to get quality goaltending when you either have to trade for it or work with spare parts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 11:47:04 GMT -4
Baribeau and D'Orio had better seasons. In 2011, Fucale wasn't even ranked in the 1st round by CSR. He went 11th overall. At the end of the day, it all comes down to what the team scouts think. Will Baribeau and D'Orio be the first two goalies selected? Yes. But Bouthilier will have the most success in this league. That's not a fact though, it's an opinion. DUHHHHH. This is a discussion forum, is it not? 99% of the posts are opinion based.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jun 4, 2015 11:51:52 GMT -4
The Cats never used to be shy about taking goalies early. Crawford, Domingue, Blanchard, Riopel were all 1st round picks I believe.Domigue was the last one 7 years ago. Since then the earliest they have picked a goalie is the 5th round (Flinn, Trudeau, Dupre). I'm not sure if that was an influence by Frantz Jean or not, but the quality of goaltending has certainly been down since he left. Tough to get quality goaltending when you either have to trade for it or work with spare parts. It was like that in Halifax since Fucale too, you don't need to pick high if you already have a number 1. Use later picks to try to get lucky on a cheap future number 1 or backups while using the higher picks on players you really need. Of course waiting too long without success requires a trade. Moncton lacked high picks as well.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 4, 2015 11:53:58 GMT -4
That's not a fact though, it's an opinion. DUHHHHH. This is a discussion forum, is it not? 99% of the posts are opinion based. You posted it as if it was a fact and not your opinion.
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