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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 17, 2015 16:43:33 GMT -4
I didn't mention Riopel and Crawford because I don't view goaltending as a weakness on this team. I know others will disagree but that was my reason for leaving them out. For the record, I'd take Crawford over Riopel if we were going to replace Dubeau. Bernier was one of my favorite Wildcats ever but again, not sure he would be as needed as a Savard or Gormley. Makes you wonder though, what if Barbashev and Garland had stead forward on their line instead of a revolving door. Ok ... do we have to delete somebody from the current roster though ? If I'm looking to win a championship ... I want Riopel ... he did it ... Crawford didn't (at the Jr level). I'd take Riopel over Dubeau also ... and leave Dubeau on the bench. Crawford won a Stanley cup, that trumps what any other WC goalie has done...ever.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 17, 2015 16:45:36 GMT -4
How about an entire line?? 3rd line of Jerome Samson, zach Sill and the kid that had to chase Mike Ribeiro's jock in that amazing playoff series vs Qb!!!! Kory Baker Also, Ryan Salvis did a very good job of containing Crosby in '04... but the Baker/Ribeiro matchup came with a whole different level of entertainment. Baker gets massively overrated because he bugged Ribeiro, who had the maturity of a 10 year old and get him to lose his temper a few times. Guys like Hudgin Gaudet Sill Dupuis etc were a lot better.
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Post by mav on Mar 17, 2015 17:00:59 GMT -4
I was gonna pick Gaudet..who i absolutely loved while he was here...a real heart and soul guy. but Baker shut down the best player in the entire league in what remains one of the top 3 playoff series in Wildcat history. ...maybe he wasnt the better player...but what he did was amazing and noteworthy..thats all..definitely 4 guys one that line. another guy that always comes to mind is former captain #20..Mario Cormier i think...man he could hit like a truck...
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Post by catzfans on Mar 17, 2015 17:20:48 GMT -4
Pierre Dagenais? ... He never lit it up in Moncton but he did score 65 goals one year in the Q
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Post by Don Draper on Mar 17, 2015 17:28:20 GMT -4
Kory Baker Also, Ryan Salvis did a very good job of containing Crosby in '04... but the Baker/Ribeiro matchup came with a whole different level of entertainment. Baker gets massively overrated because he bugged Ribeiro, who had the maturity of a 10 year old and get him to lose his temper a few times. Guys like Hudgin Gaudet Sill Dupuis etc were a lot better. I'm not choosing Baker... I answered the question the previous poster asked. And I'm aware that the guys you mentioned were better, as were countless others (no disrespect to Baker). How am I "massively overrating" him by naming him as the answer to someone else question? What was the point of your post, anyway? I vote that you can just go back to posting links.
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Post by Don Draper on Mar 17, 2015 17:32:39 GMT -4
Pierre Dagenais? ... He never lit it up in Moncton but he did score 65 goals one year in the Q Actually, he did. Dagenais was, at 16, a 40 goal scorer on an atrocious Moncton Alpines team. I wouldn't pick him for the answer to this question, but no doubt he was an incredibly skilled guy with the puck. One of the very best releases ever for a Moncton player.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 17, 2015 17:43:38 GMT -4
Baker gets massively overrated because he bugged Ribeiro, who had the maturity of a 10 year old and get him to lose his temper a few times. Guys like Hudgin Gaudet Sill Dupuis etc were a lot better. I'm not choosing Baker... I answered the question the previous poster asked. And I'm aware that the guys you mentioned were better, as were countless others (no disrespect to Baker). How am I "massively overrating" him by naming him as the answer to someone else question? What was the point of your post, anyway? I vote that you can just go back to posting links. I was more making a general comment than aiming at you directly.
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 17, 2015 17:45:45 GMT -4
Ok ... do we have to delete somebody from the current roster though ? If I'm looking to win a championship ... I want Riopel ... he did it ... Crawford didn't (at the Jr level). I'd take Riopel over Dubeau also ... and leave Dubeau on the bench. Crawford won a Stanley cup, that trumps what any other WC goalie has done...ever. Crawford won a Stanley Cup when he was about 23 or 24 ... not Jr age so those exploits don't count. The premise is ... I believe ... to bring that same guy back with the skill set he had when he played here. And with that in mind ... I take Riopel.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 17, 2015 18:55:35 GMT -4
Crawford won a Stanley cup, that trumps what any other WC goalie has done...ever. Crawford won a Stanley Cup when he was about 23 or 24 ... not Jr age so those exploits don't count. The premise is ... I believe ... to bring that same guy back with the skill set he had when he played here. And with that in mind ... I take Riopel. With all due respect to Riopel, Crawford was the better goalie, just never had a powerhouse team in front of him like Rio in 2010. Compare Crawford's best team in 03-04 to the 09-10 Cats team... www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0014432004.htmlBernier-Gagne-Betournay Karsums-Graham-Zakharov Glode-Salvis-Pelham Hamel-Gaudet-Doucette Sanford-Caron Saunders-Desrusseaux Wathier-Douville www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0014432010.htmlDeschamps-Cameron-Bourque Hrivik-Tessier-Bannon Stephens-MacAusland-Pettersson Saulnier-Saulnier-Bissonnette Brown/Roski/Kabanov Savard-Gormley Barberio-Jodoin Wall-Downe MacDonald-Metcalfe The depth up front is much stronger in 03-04 and the defense, well there is no comparison, Savard-Barberio-Gormley were arguably all better than the top guy in 03-04.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 19:40:24 GMT -4
You take Mathieu Benoit and his guarantee of one goal per game at the least.
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Mar 17, 2015 19:48:05 GMT -4
1. Keith Yandle 2. Nicola Riopel 3. Martin Karsums 4. Francois Beauchemin 5. Steve Bernier 6. David Savard 7. Mathieu Benoit 8. Gabriel Bourque 9. Brandon Gormley 10. Philippe Dupuis
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 21:40:40 GMT -4
Crawford won a Stanley Cup when he was about 23 or 24 ... not Jr age so those exploits don't count. The premise is ... I believe ... to bring that same guy back with the skill set he had when he played here. And with that in mind ... I take Riopel. With all due respect to Riopel, Crawford was the better goalie, just never had a powerhouse team in front of him like Rio in 2010. Compare Crawford's best team in 03-04 to the 09-10 Cats team... www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0014432004.htmlBernier-Gagne-Betournay Karsums-Graham-Zakharov Glode-Salvis-Pelham Hamel-Gaudet-Doucette Sanford-Caron Saunders-Desrusseaux Wathier-Douville www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0014432010.htmlDeschamps-Cameron-Bourque Hrivik-Tessier-Bannon Stephens-MacAusland-Pettersson Saulnier-Saulnier-Bissonnette Brown/Roski/Kabanov Savard-Gormley Barberio-Jodoin Wall-Downe MacDonald-Metcalfe The depth up front is much stronger in 03-04 and the defense, well there is no comparison, Savard-Barberio-Gormley were arguably all better than the top guy in 03-04. At least be honest when you argue a point. You posted the roster for the year Rio came back halfway through the year. Now post the roster for his best season in a CAts uniform and convince me that was a powerhouse. Crawford had one good playoff run where he frustrated The Rockets. Crawford was as prone to easy and lazy goals as Dubeau last season. Rio was money. At least in a Wildcats jersey which is what this question was intended. Riopel was the league MVP...the Most Valuable Player for the entire league! That trumps anything Crawford accomplished in a Wildcats uniform.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 17, 2015 22:22:03 GMT -4
With all due respect to Riopel, Crawford was the better goalie, just never had a powerhouse team in front of him like Rio in 2010. Compare Crawford's best team in 03-04 to the 09-10 Cats team... www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0014432004.htmlBernier-Gagne-Betournay Karsums-Graham-Zakharov Glode-Salvis-Pelham Hamel-Gaudet-Doucette Sanford-Caron Saunders-Desrusseaux Wathier-Douville www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0014432010.htmlDeschamps-Cameron-Bourque Hrivik-Tessier-Bannon Stephens-MacAusland-Pettersson Saulnier-Saulnier-Bissonnette Brown/Roski/Kabanov Savard-Gormley Barberio-Jodoin Wall-Downe MacDonald-Metcalfe The depth up front is much stronger in 03-04 and the defense, well there is no comparison, Savard-Barberio-Gormley were arguably all better than the top guy in 03-04. At least be honest when you argue a point. You posted the roster for the year Rio came back halfway through the year. Now post the roster for his best season in a CAts uniform and convince me that was a powerhouse. Crawford had one good playoff run where he frustrated The Rockets. Crawford was as prone to easy and lazy goals as Dubeau last season. Rio was money. At least in a Wildcats jersey which is what this question was intended. Riopel was the league MVP...the Most Valuable Player for the entire league! That trumps anything Crawford accomplished in a Wildcats uniform. His point was that Rio was better because he won the title, just pointing out that he won with a powerhouse team that was better than any team Crawford had. The fact that Crawford brought that team to the finals is downright amazing, solid team but far from a powerhouse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 22:32:47 GMT -4
League MVP.
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Post by forrest on Mar 18, 2015 7:39:31 GMT -4
What I would like to see is another championship... so I would choose coach Danny Flynn and have him make these players defensively responsible. I'd have him show the forwards how to get open for a pass out of their zone and in their opponent's zone. I'd show the defensemen how to get a puck out of their defensive zone avoiding the high risk play. This would probably be at the expense of Garland's scoring title.
But if we're going to talk players, I would either to go with Riopel or Chris Gaudet.
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