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Post by Citris on May 29, 2015 15:52:11 GMT -4
Sigh, where do I begin? If the Titan can get the Euro they are claiming they will get, there is simply No reason they would not be able to have Bowers to report. You lead with an if. And a pretty big one. The Titan have had an absolutely miserable lack of success with euros since I began following the league about 10 years ago, and the last 3 seasons have been particularly bad. You've sent guys home 3 years in a row. All the evidence points to Bathurst repeatedly falling on their faces with Europeans. I will believe it when: A- Bathurst selects the player B- He shows up to camp C- He actually produces on the ice and isn't a total dud. Education is a top priority in Bathurst and their program is simply as good as anybody's in the Q. I don't doubt this. As a junior hockey club it would be disgraceful if it were not a top priority. This doesn't necessarily mean it's "as good" as anyone else's. Sadly there are advantages that the more well-funded teams have over the Titan, it's just an unfortunate fact of life. Not to mention, it's not necessarily the quality of your program, its the reputation, and Bathurst's is shit. The QMJHL itself has a bad reputation (based on untrue stereotypes) in some areas. Bathurst has an even more baggage surrounding it. By claiming Bathurst has as good a chance as any team in the Maritimes to have Bowers to report is NOT showing arrogance.Things are changing fast over here and it takes time for some to take notice. I never claimed it was. You're arrogant for many other reasons. Nobody said Halifax was going to jump on Bowers and trade a bunch of picks for him. You pulled that out of your ass. You play the victim card all the time. Oh Bathurst is picked on for no good reason, big market teams and their fans are mean! Get over yourself. Things are changing fast in Bathurst? I've been waiting ten damn years. I'll notice it when there's evidence to support it. The last thing that drives me mad about you, You act like I don't WANT Bathurst to be good. Like I enjoy the never ending circus that is this franchise. The comedy of errors that would be hilarious if it weren't sad. Yea, Bathurst FINALLY started a proper rebuild, about 3 seasons after everyone else in the universe saw they needed it. Problem is now the Sea Dogs, Screaming Eagles, and Islanders are WAAAY ahead of you. The Titan will peak at 4th place in the Maritimes at best.
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Post by Kingrat on May 29, 2015 16:21:39 GMT -4
the rebuild is on and I do believe we will get a very good euro plus our midget draft pick will report / we still will be in the bottom tier unless we can get some scoring / obviously we will need a few surprises plus exceptional goaltending
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 29, 2015 16:21:59 GMT -4
Sigh, where do I begin? If the Titan can get the Euro they are claiming they will get, there is simply No reason they would not be able to have Bowers to report. You lead with an if. And a pretty big one. The Titan have had an absolutely miserable lack of success with euros since I began following the league about 10 years ago, and the last 3 seasons have been particularly bad. You've sent guys home 3 years in a row. All the evidence points to Bathurst repeatedly falling on their faces with Europeans. I will believe it when: A- Bathurst selects the player B- He shows up to camp C- He actually produces on the ice and isn't a total dud. Education is a top priority in Bathurst and their program is simply as good as anybody's in the Q. I don't doubt this. As a junior hockey club it would be disgraceful if it were not a top priority. This doesn't necessarily mean it's "as good" as anyone else's. Sadly there are advantages that the more well-funded teams have over the Titan, it's just an unfortunate fact of life. Not to mention, it's not necessarily the quality of your program, its the reputation, and Bathurst's is shit. The QMJHL itself has a bad reputation (based on untrue stereotypes) in some areas. Bathurst has an even more baggage surrounding it. By claiming Bathurst has as good a chance as any team in the Maritimes to have Bowers to report is NOT showing arrogance.Things are changing fast over here and it takes time for some to take notice. I never claimed it was. You're arrogant for many other reasons. Nobody said Halifax was going to jump on Bowers and trade a bunch of picks for him. You pulled that out of your ass. You play the victim card all the time. Oh Bathurst is picked on for no good reason, big market teams and their fans are mean! Get over yourself. Things are changing fast in Bathurst? I've been waiting ten damn years. I'll notice it when there's evidence to support it. The last thing that drives me mad about you, You act like I don't WANT Bathurst to be good. Like I enjoy the never ending circus that is this franchise. The comedy of errors that would be hilarious if it weren't sad. Yea, Bathurst FINALLY started a proper rebuild, about 3 seasons after everyone else in the universe saw they needed it. Problem is now the Sea Dogs, Screaming Eagles, and Islanders are WAAAY ahead of you. The Titan will peak at 4th place in the Maritimes at best. 1 point re: education that I rarely see discussed. Most teams have a University close by that players can consider going to at 18/19 which could be a big reason for the decision they make at 15/16. How does Bathurst sell that to parents? OK you can hire the best high school tutors on the planet and get 20 kids out of high school with 98 averages but how does it work for those players then entering University? Is it distance courses? I could be completely off base here but I think it's a big negative that no amount of tutoring can fix. We've all had exceptional students get recognized by the Q so for chsb to constantly say theirs is among the best is laughable because if it is then we are ALL among the best meaning the bar for what is best has been set very high.
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Post by chsb on May 29, 2015 16:22:33 GMT -4
Raimu, I agree with you on a lot of your stances about the Titan in the past and I also agree that they should be around 4th this season. However, I happen to believe that their choice of Pouliot was the right one to develop the young team. Meanwhile we saw PEI and SJ fire their Coach and Eagles fans very unhappy about their coaching .
So the start was not as spectacular, but at least the main picks reported: Brisebois Francis Maher and they went and picked up Riley Pickard, Truchon-Viel and L'Italien in trades.
But hey they were not that spectacular last season for sure. Simply add a top Euro and a top midget to the present team, and things might look already much brighter.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 29, 2015 16:24:07 GMT -4
Raimu, I agree with you on a lot of your stances about the Titan in the past and I also agree that they should be around 4th this season. However, I happen to believe that their choice of Pouliot was the right one to develop the young team. Meanwhile we saw PEI and SJ fire their Coach and Eagles fans very unhappy about their coaching . So the start was not as spectacular, but at least the main picks reported: Brisebois Francis Maher and they went and picked up Riley Pickard, Truchon-Viel and L'Italien in trades. But hey they were not that spectacular last season for sure. Simply add a top Euro and a top midget to the present team, and things might look already much brighter. 4th where? In the division? You're going to be looking at another high draft pick next year unless you bring in some impact veterans.
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Post by chsb on May 29, 2015 16:27:18 GMT -4
JB, the Titan have an excellent support for CEGEP students at distance and their rating is very high in that regard. University at distance is available here just as well as in CB....
No Q player can claim to follow full curriculum unless he is a very bright student. We have seen some here as well as in other places.
The NCAA program is very good education wise, but any teenager wishing to access the NHL as quick as possible is better suited in the Q.
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Post by Kingrat on May 29, 2015 16:29:14 GMT -4
no dispute on that whatsoever / having full time universities in your city is indeed a bonus and also has to be attractive in drawing great players who are likely to pursue education over the minor pro leagues / definetly an advantage
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 29, 2015 16:31:40 GMT -4
JB, the Titan have an excellent support for CEGEP students at distance and their rating is very high in that regard. University at distance is available here just as well as in CB.... No Q player can claim to follow full curriculum unless he is a very bright student. We have seen some here as well as in other places. The NCAA program is very good education wise, but any teenager wishing to access the NHL as quick as possible is better suited in the Q. We have a University. So our students have a leg up on yours. In regards to your quickest path to the NHL... That only applies to the non-elite players. A Jack Eichel doesn't need to play CHL to get what he needs development wise before turning pro. Elite players can develop in any situation. Jr A, CHL, NCAA, USHL, or even in Switzerland playing a mens pro league.
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Post by chsb on May 29, 2015 16:37:17 GMT -4
Raimu, I agree with you on a lot of your stances about the Titan in the past and I also agree that they should be around 4th this season. However, I happen to believe that their choice of Pouliot was the right one to develop the young team. Meanwhile we saw PEI and SJ fire their Coach and Eagles fans very unhappy about their coaching . So the start was not as spectacular, but at least the main picks reported: Brisebois Francis Maher and they went and picked up Riley Pickard, Truchon-Viel and L'Italien in trades. But hey they were not that spectacular last season for sure. Simply add a top Euro and a top midget to the present team, and things might look already much brighter. 4th where? In the division? You're going to be looking at another high draft pick next year unless you bring in some impact veterans. Do you deny Moncton and Halifax going through a rebuild this season? The Titan will have for 19 YOs next season (as it stands now): Boivin Blanchard Kerr Dumulong Latulippe Vautour Nedeiros 18 YOs: Brisebois Truchon-Viel C. Pickard Popov 20 YOS; Simpson Trickett 17 YOs: Maher R. Pickard Francis L'Italien Plourde Thibault Huntington These are 20 players having already played in the Q. Just add to that a top midget and a top Euro and it might (just might) be better than you project them to be. Now IF they add an impact OA to this lineup....well I won't go that route since you would accuse the Management of mismanaging their assets....
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 29, 2015 16:40:43 GMT -4
4th where? In the division? You're going to be looking at another high draft pick next year unless you bring in some impact veterans. Do you deny Moncton and Halifax going through a rebuild this season? The Titan will have for 19 YOs next season (as it stands now): Boivin Blanchard Kerr Dumulong Latulippe Vautour Nedeiros 18 YOs: Brisebois Truchon-Viel C. Pickard Popov 20 YOS; Simpson Trickett 17 YOs: Maher R. Pickard Francis L'Italien Plourde Thibault Huntington These are 20 players having already played in the Q. Just add to that a top midget and a top Euro and it might (just might) be better than you project them to be. Now IF they add an impact OA to this lineup....well I won't go that route since you would accuse the Management of mismanaging their assets.... Do they rebuild? Absolutely. But do they have a better roster then you until January? Very possible. Just playing in the Q doesn't make 16yr olds special players at 17. It just means they all ended up on a rebuilding team for their 16yo season.
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Post by Kingrat on May 29, 2015 17:29:43 GMT -4
if Trickett is still here I predict we finish last
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Post by Citris on May 29, 2015 18:44:13 GMT -4
Halifax and Moncton are going to have to rebuild and retool.
Moncton is more of a re-tool. They have enough talent to compete this season... they were second overall and honestly, they're not losing all that much. The loss of Barbashev hurts, but they traditionally do pretty well in the Euro draft and could bring over 2 impact players.
A goalie shouldn't be that hard to acquire for them.
Halifax has some leftover talent that may prevent them from finishing low enough to be in the lottery pick spot.
I personally hope Halifax sells, but there are assets I don't see Cam trading, Timo, Danny Moynihan...
I don't know. Halifax's defense can be pretty brutal on some nights, Ressop can be brutal too, they're inconsistent so it's really hard to predict how big a step forward they're going to take.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 29, 2015 19:19:20 GMT -4
Halifax and Moncton are going to have to rebuild and retool. Moncton is more of a re-tool. They have enough talent to compete this season... they were second overall and honestly, they're not losing all that much. The loss of Barbashev hurts, but they traditionally do pretty well in the Euro draft and could bring over 2 impact players. A goalie shouldn't be that hard to acquire for them. Halifax has some leftover talent that may prevent them from finishing low enough to be in the lottery pick spot. I personally hope Halifax sells, but there are assets I don't see Cam trading, Timo, Danny Moynihan... I don't know. Halifax's defense can be pretty brutal on some nights, Ressop can be brutal too, they're inconsistent so it's really hard to predict how big a step forward they're going to take. I think selling last year had limits other than "not a fire sale" as they said/was reported. Certain players could not be sold based on not going to report and NTC (speculating) but they pretty much sold what was of value that COULD be sold. I expect the same this year with not much of value that CAN be sold. Thats not considering value that brings back later picks but more high end rebuild material. I see 2 19yr old D that could return a good amount but other that only Meier brings more. That likely only happens if they paint themselves in the corner(so to speak) by selecting 2 Imports they are committed to and even then Imports with an expiry date(Meier) usually dont get full value. Will see that June 30th when import draft is done.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 29, 2015 19:35:38 GMT -4
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Post by Citris on May 29, 2015 20:39:30 GMT -4
Halifax and Moncton are going to have to rebuild and retool. Moncton is more of a re-tool. They have enough talent to compete this season... they were second overall and honestly, they're not losing all that much. The loss of Barbashev hurts, but they traditionally do pretty well in the Euro draft and could bring over 2 impact players. A goalie shouldn't be that hard to acquire for them. Halifax has some leftover talent that may prevent them from finishing low enough to be in the lottery pick spot. I personally hope Halifax sells, but there are assets I don't see Cam trading, Timo, Danny Moynihan... I don't know. Halifax's defense can be pretty brutal on some nights, Ressop can be brutal too, they're inconsistent so it's really hard to predict how big a step forward they're going to take. I think selling last year had limits other than "not a fire sale" as they said/was reported. Certain players could not be sold based on not going to report and NTC (speculating) but they pretty much sold what was of value that COULD be sold. I expect the same this year with not much of value that CAN be sold. Thats not considering value that brings back later picks but more high end rebuild material. I see 2 19yr old D that could return a good amount but other that only Meier brings more. That likely only happens if they paint themselves in the corner(so to speak) by selecting 2 Imports they are committed to and even then Imports with an expiry date(Meier) usually dont get full value. Will see that June 30th when import draft is done. Cam does a good job getting value for players you wouldn't think of trading tho. Our mem cup team was basically built on acquiring picks from spare parts. The more picks in rounds 3-5 you have, the more chances you get at a steal or two.
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