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Post by cb67 on Dec 23, 2015 16:40:12 GMT -4
What would some people do if they were GM right now? Shop the Russians? Dubois? Bishop ? Unload completely or just partially? Right now? Impossible to say without knowing the Joly trade details. Of course everyone is going to buy after that trade because there's nothing to gain by being bad next year. Exactly what our rebuild was supposed to avoid. If our 2017 1st comes back for a Chicoutimi pick for Ranger then it's a no brainer. If I'm GM a month ago I sell everything expiring and use Dubois as the big trade chip next Xmas. I'd like the idea of that . With the owners and managers the organization has, is there ever going to be a sensible brass brought in to do the job right ? Or is the pattern goin to be below average. Could this organization ever land a Ducharme ?
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Post by Citris on Dec 23, 2015 16:40:15 GMT -4
That's a common theme with both Cape Breton and Charlottetown. Both teams had way to many holes going in to this season.
If you look at the teams who have had recent success, for the most part, these teams were build through the draft and were only missing a few pieces.
Rimouski from last year is a great example, as well as Halifax from 2013 and Saint John from 2012 and 2011... just to name a few. These teams had every piece they needed to win minus maybe one or two.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 23, 2015 16:45:37 GMT -4
That's a common theme with both Cape Breton and Charlottetown. Both teams had way to many holes going in to this season. If you look at the teams who have had recent success, for the most part, these teams were build through the draft and were only missing a few pieces. Rimouski from last year is a great example, as well as Halifax from 2013 and Saint John from 2012 and 2011... just to name a few. These teams had every piece they needed to win minus maybe one or two. And go back to how Saint John handled their "our time our year" nonsense. They had a team they PLANNED on contending with that wasn't a contender. So they sold off the main pieces for futures. As an expansion team they could have chosen to stay the course, give the fans a taste of success, and try to give them something to cheer for. Instead they decided to take a step back and bring in players for the next year. Anyone want to look at how their 4 seasons went afterwards?
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 23, 2015 16:47:40 GMT -4
This organization will not spend the resources to bring in the right people to run this organization.believe me when I tell you I have been involved with this organization in more ways than just being a fan and they nickel and dime everything they do. Until that changes, they are going to wallow in mediocrity.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 23, 2015 16:57:25 GMT -4
This organization will not spend the resources to bring in the right people to run this organization.believe me when I tell you I have been involved with this organization in more ways than just being a fan and they nickel and dime everything they do. Until that changes, they are going to wallow in mediocrity. That's just it though, Halifax didn't break any bank when they brought in Ducharme. Of all the high profile people they could have hired at that point they went out and signed a good midget coach who was getting his feet wet at this level. Being well run has nothing to do with money, it's about choosing the right people. Now ask yourself this: Who was the last head coach we had who came from midget without any Q head coaching experience?
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Post by habsfan74 on Dec 23, 2015 16:57:44 GMT -4
Thankfully you aren't the GM!So you would seriously still the assets they have now??If there was ever s team to go all in with its this one!The fans don't want another rebuild , they wanna see a playoff run!They will never have this core again anytime soon!Best euro's they ever had, young stud in Dubois, maybe the best 20 year old goal scorer in the league.......so yes win or lose this is the year to do it!
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Post by emerz on Dec 23, 2015 16:58:58 GMT -4
Kinda just the same re-hashed arguments and conversations at this point, I think everyone knows where each poster stands. I personally have a little more faith than most, we all want the best for the team, just hope it's done smartly.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 23, 2015 17:01:26 GMT -4
Kinda just the same re-hashed arguments and conversations at this point, I think everyone knows where each poster stands. I personally have a little more faith than most, we all want the best for the team, just hope it's done smartly. Agreed. Nothing wrong with sharing some opinion. I can appreciate the other side of it.
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Post by hal on Dec 23, 2015 17:03:23 GMT -4
This Team will survive ........even a rebuild . I used to believe that. I don't any more. Lots of long term season ticket holders getting sick of the yearly spin and no pay off on their investment into the team. This was supposed to be a big year and there was no more excitement then any other year. Add in the employment numbers, poverty, national economy....and there's not a lot of room for error for a horribly run hockey team very dependent on its bottom line. I can easily see our owners being the first of the current Maritime teams to throw in the towel. You yourself have nothing good to say about them. As that season ticket holder number goes from almost 2000 to 1800 to 1650 to 1500 it's at now what will things look like as it hits 1000 in 2 or 3 years? Your right ....I have nothing good to say about these Owners but I believe that when the time comes and they want to sell ( if they can ) that the Q will not want them to relocate and they will pursue Local Ownership and ................like him or not Parker Rudderham has said he would love to own the Team ........that is why I say it will survive .
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Post by pivotman95 on Dec 23, 2015 17:03:58 GMT -4
This organization will not spend the resources to bring in the right people to run this organization.believe me when I tell you I have been involved with this organization in more ways than just being a fan and they nickel and dime everything they do. Until that changes, they are going to wallow in mediocrity. I get what you mean but are they just cheap or are they poor
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 23, 2015 17:05:56 GMT -4
Thankfully you aren't the GM!So you would seriously still the assets they have now??If there was ever s team to go all in with its this one!The fans don't want another rebuild , they wanna see a playoff run!They will never have this core again anytime soon!Best euro's they ever had, young stud in Dubois, maybe the best 20 year old goal scorer in the league.......so yes win or lose this is the year to do it! Same arguments over and over. How does the TEAM match up against the other top teams? That post right there is Mario Durocher logic. Best Euros ever is a great thing to throw out but it means nothing in terms of whether you should buy or sell. The team on the ice and how they played over the 1st half should have dictated the ultimate direction. Buying from the bottom doesn't work out 99% of the time. You want to go all in based on the 1%. I can respect that. I just think we could have done better by selling. There is still a next season to ice a team. But you can't force a championship team where there is not one.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 23, 2015 17:07:23 GMT -4
absolutely agree, I want nothing more than for this team to succeed, but on its present course, good luck. I thoroughly enjoy watching this level of hockey but its so frustrating to see the same shit show year after year. i fully agree with jack Bauer when he says that perhaps we need to search out a young midget coach(Hartley) instead of the usual rethreads who have little or no success elsewhere.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 23, 2015 17:08:19 GMT -4
I used to believe that. I don't any more. Lots of long term season ticket holders getting sick of the yearly spin and no pay off on their investment into the team. This was supposed to be a big year and there was no more excitement then any other year. Add in the employment numbers, poverty, national economy....and there's not a lot of room for error for a horribly run hockey team very dependent on its bottom line. I can easily see our owners being the first of the current Maritime teams to throw in the towel. You yourself have nothing good to say about them. As that season ticket holder number goes from almost 2000 to 1800 to 1650 to 1500 it's at now what will things look like as it hits 1000 in 2 or 3 years? Your right ....I have nothing good to say about these Owners but I believe that when the time comes and they want to sell ( if they can ) that the Q will not want them to relocate and they will pursue Local Ownership and ................like him or not Parker Rudderham has said he would love to own the Team ........that is why I say it will survive . The Rudderham's and other success stories around the area definitely give some hope that if the day comes it could be the turning point. But Rudderham also likes to get involve in ventures that make absolutely zero financial sense. Also seems to like seeing him name in print. Can't say I wouldn't expect a short term circus followed by disaster if he ever got his hands on this team.
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Post by hal on Dec 23, 2015 17:14:32 GMT -4
So your assuming that he wouldn't spend big to bring in the "right" people to run / straighten this thing out ? Given his wealth , I think the only thing that would make it disastrous would be if he thought he was Jerry Jones .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 23, 2015 17:19:38 GMT -4
So your assuming that he wouldn't spend big to bring in the "right" people to run / straighten this thing out ? Given his wealth , I think the only thing that would make it disastrous would be if he thought he was Jerry Jones . No. I think you are assuming that the answer is having money thrown at people. The answer is the right people following a tried and tested plan. Halifax has a fired head coach as its GM and a midget coach as their coach. But they build through the draft. Now spending his money on the on ice talent...that would help straighten things out. But off ice...has to be the right people willing to do the right thing...not the most expensive people who want to keep doing it this way. I think you see what I'm saying.
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