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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 9, 2015 17:17:25 GMT -4
According to M-A Dumont, a team can only have two imports on the roster at same time and that the Eagles would have to either trade or release an import before being permitted to make a selection in the Euro draft. Not if Svechnikov goes in the 1st round. Then we can draft someone new in case he stays in the NHL. And the NHL draft comes before the Euro draft for reasons like that one.
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Post by Wooden Stick on Jun 9, 2015 17:35:11 GMT -4
I suspect it may be immaterial as the consensus seems to be that Svechnikov would benefiet more from another season in the Q in a season that should include an appearance at the World Juniors and a winning time with CB.
I have searched for the official rules regarding what you say about the NHL-possible Euros and can`t find anything on it other than the two imports at a time rule. As I said, Dumont seems to believe he can not draft another unless one of the Russians is released. Not arguing, just repeating.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 9, 2015 17:55:27 GMT -4
I suspect it may be immaterial as the consensus seems to be that Svechnikov would benefiet more from another season in the Q in a season that should include an appearance at the World Juniors and a winning time with CB. I have searched for the official rules regarding what you say about the NHL-possible Euros and can`t find anything on it other than the two imports at a time rule. As I said, Dumont seems to believe he can not draft another unless one of the Russians is released. Not arguing, just repeating. It has been discussed many times before. Go check the Halifax board...they have 2 Euros now...and can draft 2 more because both will be NHL 1st rounders by the Euro draft. I am fully confident Dumont knows the rules. His answer is based around his stance of a 3rd euro being more of a headache then an advantage. Or he has info saying Svechnikov falls to round 2 making this all irrelevant.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Jun 9, 2015 18:22:07 GMT -4
I suspect it may be immaterial as the consensus seems to be that Svechnikov would benefiet more from another season in the Q in a season that should include an appearance at the World Juniors and a winning time with CB. I have searched for the official rules regarding what you say about the NHL-possible Euros and can`t find anything on it other than the two imports at a time rule. As I said, Dumont seems to believe he can not draft another unless one of the Russians is released. Not arguing, just repeating. It has been discussed many times before. Go check the Halifax board...they have 2 Euros now...and can draft 2 more because both will be NHL 1st rounders by the Euro draft. I am fully confident Dumont knows the rules. His answer is based around his stance of a 3rd euro being more of a headache then an advantage. Or he has info saying Svechnikov falls to round 2 making this all irrelevant. The other possibility is that they changed the 1st round NHL draft pick special exemption rule and never really announced it well to let everyone know. Hard to believe I know but it's the CHL/QMJHL again and anything is possible. Just peer into the Veleno murky water rules lol.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jun 9, 2015 18:25:18 GMT -4
Yeah so we can't even, assuming Svechnikov goes 1st round, draft someone at #16 and wait and see what happens with Svechnikov because we If we ended up with all 3 we'd have to trade Svechnikov or Lazarev or release the new guy for no return because newly drafted Euros can't be traded for 12 months. I could be wrong but I think I remember reading that in a case where you end up with 3 imports (like Svechnikov being drafted then sent down), you would be allowed to trade the new Euro. If anyone has the rule somewhere, I'd love to see it. Not going to dig it up but the rule change was mentioned by Sonier in a interview. The Gatineau rule, it changed from a calendar year to a full season so that you can trade the guy before the following years import draft, allowing a team to pick another. Cant trade them if they were just picked that summer and someone comes back for start of season. You can only release them, however if they did not show up thats a whole other story. The ever changing rules even the Q dont know.
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Post by seagle on Jun 9, 2015 18:39:30 GMT -4
If we are able to stash the pick or take a flyer on a player.... ala Svetchnikov there could be some value in Svechnikov going in the 1st Rd .
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Post by looneytunes on Jun 9, 2015 19:35:31 GMT -4
It has been discussed many times before. Go check the Halifax board...they have 2 Euros now...and can draft 2 more because both will be NHL 1st rounders by the Euro draft. I am fully confident Dumont knows the rules. His answer is based around his stance of a 3rd euro being more of a headache then an advantage. Or he has info saying Svechnikov falls to round 2 making this all irrelevant. The other possibility is that they changed the 1st round NHL draft pick special exemption rule and never really announced it well to let everyone know. Hard to believe I know but it's the CHL/QMJHL again and anything is possible. Just peer into the Veleno murky water rules lol. Really though. That would not surprise anybody right about now.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 9, 2015 19:47:26 GMT -4
If we are able to stash the pick or take a flyer on a player.... ala Svetchnikov there could be some value in Svechnikov going in the 1st Rd . Cant stash the player, unfortunately.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 10, 2015 6:54:08 GMT -4
According to M-A Dumont, a team can only have two imports on the roster at same time and that the Eagles would have to either trade or release an import before being permitted to make a selection in the Euro draft. If Svechnikov goers 1st round, they can draft a 3rd.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 10, 2015 7:35:51 GMT -4
According to M-A Dumont, a team can only have two imports on the roster at same time and that the Eagles would have to either trade or release an import before being permitted to make a selection in the Euro draft. Not if Svechnikov goes in the 1st round. Then we can draft someone new in case he stays in the NHL. And the NHL draft comes before the Euro draft for reasons like that one. I look at it differently. You should use the pick if you get the opportunity. It is better for the Q if all teams have 2 good Euros. If you have to deal one away because you have 3 ... then you get assets ... or you waive one that you wouldn't have had in the first place. If the new guy is going to make another team significantly better ... keep him and deal one of the others. It is best for the Q if we have many good Euros in the Q. One year you might get little from doing it ... another year you may benefit by another team having to move out a 3rd Euro.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jun 10, 2015 9:00:02 GMT -4
Not if Svechnikov goes in the 1st round. Then we can draft someone new in case he stays in the NHL. And the NHL draft comes before the Euro draft for reasons like that one. I look at it differently. You should use the pick if you get the opportunity. It is better for the Q if all teams have 2 good Euros. If you have to deal one away because you have 3 ... then you get assets ... or you waive one that you wouldn't have had in the first place. If the new guy is going to make another team significantly better ... keep him and deal one of the others. It is best for the Q if we have many good Euros in the Q. One year you might get little from doing it ... another year you may benefit by another team having to move out a 3rd Euro. That only works in certain cases. If you make a deal with a agent/player that only wants to come over for a select number of teams and you screw up his season it can cause problems in the future. It also costs money to bring over these players so if no return it may not be worth it or affordable.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 10, 2015 9:40:47 GMT -4
Not if Svechnikov goes in the 1st round. Then we can draft someone new in case he stays in the NHL. And the NHL draft comes before the Euro draft for reasons like that one. I look at it differently. You should use the pick if you get the opportunity. It is better for the Q if all teams have 2 good Euros. If you have to deal one away because you have 3 ... then you get assets ... or you waive one that you wouldn't have had in the first place. If the new guy is going to make another team significantly better ... keep him and deal one of the others. It is best for the Q if we have many good Euros in the Q. One year you might get little from doing it ... another year you may benefit by another team having to move out a 3rd Euro. Not better for us this year to have that player in the league. If we were anything but a contender, I would agree with you. As a contender, selfishly, we don't want to potentially offer our competition a cheap upgrade at our expense. Why spend the time and money on an asset we don't need and may only end up coming back to haunt us later in the season? It's not Lazarev or Svechnikov the player has to be better then if he's on another team it could be our 2nd/3rd lines or top 4 D if that other team only has 1 Euro. I only see the benefit to CB if Svechnikov plays NHL or Lazarev does not return. We should know 1 of those (Lazarev) by the draft and the other we won't know until October but the chances are good he returns. Otherwise, no reason at all for us to want another good player in the league.
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Post by jamesnorris on Jun 10, 2015 11:52:02 GMT -4
What if an NHL team drafts Svechnikov and he makes the team out of camp? Then you don't even have 2 imports when you could have had 3.
Don't get me wrong, based on where Svechnikov is ranked, it seems like a ridiculous hypothetical... but would you really want to risk it?
Taking a 3rd guy and releasing him does absolutely no harm if you're up front with that player & his agent that it's a possibility.
It reminds me of the London Knights a couple of years ago when they had Maatta & Zadorov coming back as an 18 & 19 year old top D-pair. They still took 2 new imports in the import draft and it was a pretty good call as both made their respective NHL clubs out of camp. Zadorov ended up sent back down but because London took 2 new imports "just in case" they didn't have to go out and acquire a new import via trade.
The player CB would be drafting wouldn't be of Svechnikov's quality, players like that wouldn't accept being jerked around, but you could still find a player that can contribute just in case.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 10, 2015 12:21:12 GMT -4
What if an NHL team drafts Svechnikov and he makes the team out of camp? Then you don't even have 2 imports when you could have had 3. Don't get me wrong, based on where Svechnikov is ranked, it seems like a ridiculous hypothetical... but would you really want to risk it? Taking a 3rd guy and releasing him does absolutely no harm if you're up front with that player & his agent that it's a possibility. It reminds me of the London Knights a couple of years ago when they had Maatta & Zadorov coming back as an 18 & 19 year old top D-pair. They still took 2 new imports in the import draft and it was a pretty good call as both made their respective NHL clubs out of camp. Zadorov ended up sent back down but because London took 2 new imports "just in case" they didn't have to go out and acquire a new import via trade. The player CB would be drafting wouldn't be of Svechnikov's quality, players like that wouldn't accept being jerked around, but you could still find a player that can contribute just in case. That's a fair way of looking at it, but I still wouldn't make a pick. As a team looking to contend I would think any Euro we'd be after would be 18/19 and play a top 6 F/top 4 D role, otherwise we just roll the dice in a years time when we have lots of openings. Not being able to trade the new Euro is what drives my decision. I have to bring him over, let him go for nothing, and potentially have him bite me in the ass. If Svechnikov makes the NHL having the ability to go out and get the best Euro on the trade market is more appealing to me as a contender as well.
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 10, 2015 13:44:28 GMT -4
I'm not 100% on this but I'm pretty sure if you make the pick and Svechnikov goes in the NHL 1st round that player goes on a special list and can just be on a protective list. You can leave him over in Euro and not bring him over then next year you can bring him over. But if 3 are here at the same time yes you have to trade or release one. Like I said not 100% on that but that's how I understood it to work.
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