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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 6, 2015 22:04:39 GMT -4
I really think Cooper coming to camp is a big deal. A kid this size from the states usually always go the NCAA route. I think he's a player to really keep any eye on at CHP. I think if he is here after the 48hr mark you can pencil him into the opening day roster. Oh absolutely. And unless there are variables we aren't think of (of course there are on many occasions), it's pretty black and white. He wouldn't give up NCAA eligibility without a guaranteed roster spot. And you'd have to think Dachyshyn is in the same situation. 48 hours.... guarenteed roster spot or he leaves. It was not about a roster spot it was about playing time last year. Father was not giving up eligibility for 4th line and/or sitting out. Lineup would be easier to make space this year. Lots of bubble guys that could/should be let go for younger future lineup. D has same situation with players hitting 19 that wont be 20s on this team. They can play in this league but need to make the space.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Aug 6, 2015 22:20:51 GMT -4
Oh absolutely. And unless there are variables we aren't think of (of course there are on many occasions), it's pretty black and white. He wouldn't give up NCAA eligibility without a guaranteed roster spot. And you'd have to think Dachyshyn is in the same situation. 48 hours.... guarenteed roster spot or he leaves. It was not about a roster spot it was about playing time last year. Father was not giving up eligibility for 4th line and/or sitting out. Lineup would be easier to make space this year. Lots of bubble guys that could/should be let go for younger future lineup. D has same situation with players hitting 19 that wont be 20s on this team. They can play in this league but need to make the space. Man I hope Cam is on the phone with CB. Hope he doesn't think he has to be competitive for the fans. I would be happy watching the young guys this year and taking some lumps. If we sell this year and with the picks and some of the players available in next years midget draft, the Mooseheads could really make off with some top talent.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 6, 2015 22:28:54 GMT -4
It was not about a roster spot it was about playing time last year. Father was not giving up eligibility for 4th line and/or sitting out. Lineup would be easier to make space this year. Lots of bubble guys that could/should be let go for younger future lineup. D has same situation with players hitting 19 that wont be 20s on this team. They can play in this league but need to make the space. Man I hope Cam is on the phone with CB. Hope he doesn't think he has to be competitive for the fans. I would be happy watching the young guys this year and taking some lumps. If we sell this year and with the picks and some of the players available in next years midget draft, the Mooseheads could really make off with some top talent. Ya the new seats and washrooms are enough.
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Post by Reesor on Aug 7, 2015 10:36:28 GMT -4
Oh absolutely. And unless there are variables we aren't think of (of course there are on many occasions), it's pretty black and white. He wouldn't give up NCAA eligibility without a guaranteed roster spot. And you'd have to think Dachyshyn is in the same situation. 48 hours.... guarenteed roster spot or he leaves. It was not about a roster spot it was about playing time last year. Father was not giving up eligibility for 4th line and/or sitting out. Lineup would be easier to make space this year. Lots of bubble guys that could/should be let go for younger future lineup. D has same situation with players hitting 19 that wont be 20s on this team. They can play in this league but need to make the space. That's another way of saying a roster spot. To me, a guaranteed roster spot is finding your place in the top 9 as a forward. The 4th line on most teams is usually filled with guys that are in and out of the lineup (Unless you're the 2012-13 Mooseheads which had a Beauchemin - Andrews - Falkenham line as their 4th line in the regular season... still the best 4th line I've ever seen) I respect Dachyshyn's father for not wanting to waste a schooling opportunity for what could've been 4-5 shifts a game. Then there's the age-old question about what is best for a 16yo hockey player's development: playing at a higher level but as a 4th liner / bench player? Or playing top line / top power play every day at a lower level? Crossley was an exception. He couldn't score at 16, but he had intangables that were usefull to the Mooseheads. He was often out on the first PK unit, and often defending 1-goal leads in the final minutes of games. He benefitted from playing at this level even though he couldn't score. I guess it's different from player to player.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Aug 7, 2015 10:46:05 GMT -4
It was not about a roster spot it was about playing time last year. Father was not giving up eligibility for 4th line and/or sitting out. Lineup would be easier to make space this year. Lots of bubble guys that could/should be let go for younger future lineup. D has same situation with players hitting 19 that wont be 20s on this team. They can play in this league but need to make the space. That's another way of saying a roster spot. To me, a guaranteed roster spot is finding your place in the top 9 as a forward. The 4th line on most teams is usually filled with guys that are in and out of the lineup (Unless you're the 2012-13 Mooseheads which had a Beauchemin - Andrews - Falkenham line as their 4th line in the regular season... still the best 4th line I've ever seen) I respect Dachyshyn's father for not wanting to waste a schooling opportunity for what could've been 4-5 shifts a game. Then there's the age-old question about what is best for a 16yo hockey player's development: playing at a higher level but as a 4th liner / bench player? Or playing top line / top power play every day at a lower level? Crossley was an exception. He couldn't score at 16, but he had intangables that were usefull to the Mooseheads. He was often out on the first PK unit, and often defending 1-goal leads in the final minutes of games. He benefitted from playing at this level even though he couldn't score. I guess it's different from player to player. So are the Moosehead's going to have a Carl Lindros situation with Dachyshyn? Is it worth it?
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Post by Reesor on Aug 7, 2015 11:23:06 GMT -4
That's another way of saying a roster spot. To me, a guaranteed roster spot is finding your place in the top 9 as a forward. The 4th line on most teams is usually filled with guys that are in and out of the lineup (Unless you're the 2012-13 Mooseheads which had a Beauchemin - Andrews - Falkenham line as their 4th line in the regular season... still the best 4th line I've ever seen) I respect Dachyshyn's father for not wanting to waste a schooling opportunity for what could've been 4-5 shifts a game. Then there's the age-old question about what is best for a 16yo hockey player's development: playing at a higher level but as a 4th liner / bench player? Or playing top line / top power play every day at a lower level? Crossley was an exception. He couldn't score at 16, but he had intangables that were usefull to the Mooseheads. He was often out on the first PK unit, and often defending 1-goal leads in the final minutes of games. He benefitted from playing at this level even though he couldn't score. I guess it's different from player to player. So are the Moosehead's going to have a Carl Lindros situation with Dachyshyn? Is it worth it? If he's good enough, it'll be a moot point and he'll contribute regularly anyway. The Moose will give their best evaluation of his play and how they see him contributing to the team after the first 48 hours, and if he and his father feel it's worth it for him to join the Moose, he'll be here. But honestly, if you can't crack a QMJHL sub .500 team roster as a 17yo, your chances of playing NCAA level hockey are slim.
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Post by Citris on Aug 7, 2015 12:11:38 GMT -4
If he's good enough, it'll be a moot point and he'll contribute regularly anyway. The Moose will give their best evaluation of his play and how they see him contributing to the team after the first 48 hours, and if he and his father feel it's worth it for him to join the Moose, he'll be here. But honestly, if you can't crack a QMJHL sub .500 team roster as a 17yo, your chances of playing NCAA level hockey are slim. That's my view on the whole thing. If Datchyshyn can't force his way onto this team that frankly isn't very deep, than him leaving is no big loss. If he can, than great! Good for him and good for us.
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Post by Gman on Aug 7, 2015 12:44:14 GMT -4
So are the Moosehead's going to have a Carl Lindros situation with Dachyshyn? Is it worth it? If he's good enough, it'll be a moot point and he'll contribute regularly anyway. The Moose will give their best evaluation of his play and how they see him contributing to the team after the first 48 hours, and if he and his father feel it's worth it for him to join the Moose, he'll be here. But honestly, if you can't crack a QMJHL sub .500 team roster as a 17yo, your chances of playing NCAA level hockey are slim.Exactly. Some of these parents and agents completely overvalue the players. There are opportunities in the top 9 this year, so really no reason he shouldn't make it unless he's not that good, in which case, why are we even wasting our time talking about him right?
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 7, 2015 12:50:16 GMT -4
If he's good enough, it'll be a moot point and he'll contribute regularly anyway. The Moose will give their best evaluation of his play and how they see him contributing to the team after the first 48 hours, and if he and his father feel it's worth it for him to join the Moose, he'll be here. But honestly, if you can't crack a QMJHL sub .500 team roster as a 17yo, your chances of playing NCAA level hockey are slim. That's my view on the whole thing. If Datchyshyn can't force his way onto this team that frankly isn't very deep, than him leaving is no big loss. If he can, than great! Good for him and good for us. I think some people put a value higher on NCAA because it costs more. There are exceptions based on which University and program but in general terms the education is the same value. Saying your getting 50000 in education vice 10000 when one is government subsidized is not getting less. That would be like saying college in Kentucky is worth nothing because its free. Maybe some should just move there and be happy. learningpath.org/articles/10_Colleges_and_Universities_with_0_Tuition.html
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Post by guru on Aug 7, 2015 14:05:47 GMT -4
If he's good enough, it'll be a moot point and he'll contribute regularly anyway. The Moose will give their best evaluation of his play and how they see him contributing to the team after the first 48 hours, and if he and his father feel it's worth it for him to join the Moose, he'll be here. But honestly, if you can't crack a QMJHL sub .500 team roster as a 17yo, your chances of playing NCAA level hockey are slim.Exactly. Some of these parents and agents completely overvalue the players. There are opportunities in the top 9 this year, so really no reason he shouldn't make it unless he's not that good, in which case, why are we even wasting our time talking about him right? Sounds like something I'd say, and agree.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 7, 2015 14:21:41 GMT -4
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Post by Citris on Aug 7, 2015 14:28:54 GMT -4
Goalies are the least interesting part of this camp. Barring a trade, Brassard and Ressop will start the season as our goaltenders.
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This should really be a Captain Obvious post.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Aug 7, 2015 14:45:09 GMT -4
The CB Ranger situation is the perfect scenario now for the Moosehead's to trade D. Moynihan and ?? for Bowers. Lets go Cam! Get it done!
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Post by moosefan1994 on Aug 7, 2015 15:24:41 GMT -4
Talked to Barrett's assistant coach from last year last night- the father played at North Dakota and Barrett already has a full scholarship so why give that up if no guarantee of ice time coming back from the Mooseheads. However, in our favor, Barrett and his mother want him to play here.
As for he projects for the Mooseheads in the future- probably better as a RW for this year but think of him as a center down the road and a higher-end Brent Andrews at 18 and 19.
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Post by Citris on Aug 7, 2015 15:56:12 GMT -4
Talked to Barrett's assistant coach from last year last night- the father played at North Dakota and Barrett already has a full scholarship so why give that up if no guarantee of ice time coming back from the Mooseheads. However, in our favor, Barrett and his mother want him to play here. As for he projects for the Mooseheads in the future- probably better as a RW for this year but think of him as a center down the road and a higher-end Brent Andrews at 18 and 19. Brent Andrews was pretty good, especially as a 20. If he can be half the player Andrews was for us he'd make this team with ease. Interesting info about the situation tho, it does seem to make sense that his mother and himself would want to stay close to home.
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