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Post by Slap Shooter on Jul 30, 2015 15:10:14 GMT -4
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Post by evasuk on Jul 30, 2015 21:09:35 GMT -4
Bowers went 4th to the Eagles, not 3rd overall.
Calling the Eagles less then desirable doesn't sit well with me. They have a 1st round NHL pick in Svechnikov and a potential 2016 1st rounder in Dubois. Who wouldn't want to be part of an exciting team that's sure to have scouts following them nightly with no where to go but up.
The Eagles relinquished O'Leary's rights allowing him to re-enter the draft and received a compensation 1st round pick. He was later selected by Moncton but hasn't committed to them either.
Personally I think that Bowers' agent and family want him in the Q but are trying to force Dumont's hand in picking and choosing where he plays. Good on Marc-Andre for making them sweat a little bit and calling their bluff.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jul 30, 2015 22:37:21 GMT -4
Bowers went 4th to the Eagles, not 3rd overall. Calling the Eagles less then desirable doesn't sit well with me. They have a 1st round NHL pick in Svechnikov and a potential 2016 1st rounder in Dubois. Who wouldn't want to be part of an exciting team that's sure to have scouts following them nightly with no where to go but up. The Eagles relinquished O'Leary's rights allowing him to re-enter the draft and received a compensation 1st round pick. He was later selected by Moncton but hasn't committed to them either. Personally I think that Bowers' agent and family want him in the Q but are trying to force Dumont's hand in picking and choosing where he plays. Good on Marc-Andre for making them sweat a little bit and calling their bluff. Its not about a couple players on the Eagles being good its about Management. Was it a well managed team last year. Did they meet expectations? From the outside it looked like a shit show and if 3 yrs in a row players dont report what does that tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 23:01:22 GMT -4
Bowers went 4th to the Eagles, not 3rd overall. Calling the Eagles less then desirable doesn't sit well with me. They have a 1st round NHL pick in Svechnikov and a potential 2016 1st rounder in Dubois. Who wouldn't want to be part of an exciting team that's sure to have scouts following them nightly with no where to go but up. The Eagles relinquished O'Leary's rights allowing him to re-enter the draft and received a compensation 1st round pick. He was later selected by Moncton but hasn't committed to them either. Personally I think that Bowers' agent and family want him in the Q but are trying to force Dumont's hand in picking and choosing where he plays. Good on Marc-Andre for making them sweat a little bit and calling their bluff. They aren't sweating at all if he's not here in the QMJHL he'll play in the USHL which was always an option anyway - They had been looking into it prior to the draft so it's not something they hadn't sort of prepared for already.
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Post by evasuk on Jul 31, 2015 7:28:06 GMT -4
Bowers went 4th to the Eagles, not 3rd overall. Calling the Eagles less then desirable doesn't sit well with me. They have a 1st round NHL pick in Svechnikov and a potential 2016 1st rounder in Dubois. Who wouldn't want to be part of an exciting team that's sure to have scouts following them nightly with no where to go but up. The Eagles relinquished O'Leary's rights allowing him to re-enter the draft and received a compensation 1st round pick. He was later selected by Moncton but hasn't committed to them either. Personally I think that Bowers' agent and family want him in the Q but are trying to force Dumont's hand in picking and choosing where he plays. Good on Marc-Andre for making them sweat a little bit and calling their bluff. They aren't sweating at all if he's not here in the QMJHL he'll play in the USHL which was always an option anyway - They had been looking into it prior to the draft so it's not something they hadn't sort of prepared for already. Of course they always had the USHL as an option but do you think Bowers grew up dreaming of playing for the Waterloo Black Hawks because I don't. He probably grew up watching the Mooseheads from Day 1 and aspired to play in the Q. I think the issue here is that the 3 rumoured teams interested in acquiring him (Halifax, Moncton or Saint John) may have offered him a package on the side and I honestly believe that's part of what's holding him back from being an Eagle.
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Post by evasuk on Jul 31, 2015 7:51:18 GMT -4
Bowers went 4th to the Eagles, not 3rd overall. Calling the Eagles less then desirable doesn't sit well with me. They have a 1st round NHL pick in Svechnikov and a potential 2016 1st rounder in Dubois. Who wouldn't want to be part of an exciting team that's sure to have scouts following them nightly with no where to go but up. The Eagles relinquished O'Leary's rights allowing him to re-enter the draft and received a compensation 1st round pick. He was later selected by Moncton but hasn't committed to them either. Personally I think that Bowers' agent and family want him in the Q but are trying to force Dumont's hand in picking and choosing where he plays. Good on Marc-Andre for making them sweat a little bit and calling their bluff. Its not about a couple players on the Eagles being good its about Management. Was it a well managed team last year. Did they meet expectations? From the outside it looked like a shit show and if 3 yrs in a row players dont report what does that tell you. You are 100% right in that it was a disappointing first half of the season based on the fact that in training camp most people had already crowned the Eagles as champs but once Dumont moved a few players that didn't want to be here and brought in good character players such as Hinds and Anderson it jump started the team. But as the old saying goes, that's why the game is played on the ice and not an 8x10 sheet of paper. Do you think Crosby's family and agent (same one as Bowers - Pat Brisson) wouldn't have preferred to have him stay at home and play for the Moose or any other Maritime based team, rather then go to a last place Rimouski team coming off a horrendous 11-58 season. Bowers should be grateful for the opportunity to play in the Q period. If he truly wants to go play in the USHL, let him go and maybe halfway through the season either he will come to realization that he would rather be in the Q or a team will step up their offers and the Eagles will get a package they deem fair for his rights. Something has to give though with it being three years in a row that a 1st rounder decided that they didn't want to play in Cape Breton with two of them players being from Nova Scotia which adds extra insult to injury.
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Post by hal on Jul 31, 2015 8:59:08 GMT -4
Frustrating......Confusing......Upsetting......Sad.............Bullshit.......all adjectives that I have heard in the last 24 hours . All I know is that a real Big Season is a must now because the people are sour . I truly believe even if Bowers is traded for a favourable package it will not take the sour taste out of peoples mouth's .....only winning will . Right or Wrong ,Fair or Unfair , fingers are being pointed at Dumont . The majority of folks don't look at asset management ...all they see is yet again another kid that doesn't want to play on our fair isle .
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Post by eaglefan62 on Jul 31, 2015 9:04:14 GMT -4
Think Dumont's coaching ability (or lack therof) might have something to do with it. Check out the comments on the French boards (nouslefans) under the Shane Bowers heading, interesting comments. We sorely need a coach here that commands respect.
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Post by evasuk on Jul 31, 2015 9:19:26 GMT -4
New article posted on THN site this morning regarding Bowers and the Eagles by Ryan Kennedy who tweeted minutes after the Eagles selected him that he wouldn't report to Cape Breton. www.thehockeynews.com/blog/shane-bowers-was-never-going-to-play-for-cape-breton/"There was a great deal of drama at this year’s QMJHL draft and the fall-out is still making headlines. Officially, the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles just announced on Wednesday that fourth overall pick Shane Bowers would not be attending training camp. But as I first reported minutes after the selection was made, Bowers was never going to be a Screaming Eagle. There was a good deal of confusion at the time, since Bowers put on a Cape Breton jersey at the draft in Sherbrooke and said all the right things to local media. But seriously: What else would you expect a polite 15-year-old to say when put on the spot like that? Cape Breton had been told very explicitly by Bowers’ advisor Pat Brisson that the gifted young center would be keeping his NCAA options open and that selecting him would be pointless, but GM Marc-Andre Dumont decided to gamble. I can understand Dumont’s drive to select the best player available, but there was no reason to believe Bowers’ camp was bluffing. The whole top end of the ‘Q’ draft was thrown into chaos when center Joseph Veleno was granted exceptional status to enter the league one year early – less than 48 hours before the first selection was to be made. The Saint John Sea Dogs naturally grabbed Veleno thanks to Hockey Canada’s decision and that pushed Bowers, a Halifax native, back from the potential top slot. There had been speculation that Bowers would have played for Saint John or Halifax, though right now that’s a moot point. I can say that Cape Breton attempted to trade the fourth overall pick to at least one of those teams, but the price tag was deemed too high by the potential partner."
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Post by hal on Jul 31, 2015 9:36:30 GMT -4
....but he repeated it after Draft Day did he not ? Yah know what ? Who cares anymore ? The reason this is worst than Roy or O'Leary is that .....in Roy's Case , he was never going to leave the Province of Quebec , O'Leary was set on doing the NCAA thing ....this kid pulls the NCAA Card out after he doesn't go # 1 and people see that and after talking to a good Sample Size , it is an extreme snub to Cape Breton which in the eyes of many "might" be unforgiveable .
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jul 31, 2015 9:39:10 GMT -4
After what that article revealed, what do you think of Dumont now? You have to wonder.
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Post by jboyz on Jul 31, 2015 10:15:17 GMT -4
The trade period opens tomorrow and ends the 18th at 10am ast.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 31, 2015 10:32:25 GMT -4
The only way Dumont saves face on this is by moving him for a big return, especially after that article.
If he can manage to win a title with this kid refusing to report while getting nothing in return for him I will for the first to say it was a smart move.
But my heart tells me that this organization needs a successful season and this is the last way we should want to begin it. There's just no need of the distraction again.
We have no choice but to sit back and watch it unfold. I still have a hard time seeing anything but a trade even though the team is saying it won't happen.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 31, 2015 10:35:47 GMT -4
They aren't sweating at all if he's not here in the QMJHL he'll play in the USHL which was always an option anyway - They had been looking into it prior to the draft so it's not something they hadn't sort of prepared for already. Of course they always had the USHL as an option but do you think Bowers grew up dreaming of playing for the Waterloo Black Hawks because I don't. He probably grew up watching the Mooseheads from Day 1 and aspired to play in the Q. I think the issue here is that the 3 rumoured teams interested in acquiring him (Halifax, Moncton or Saint John) may have offered him a package on the side and I honestly believe that's part of what's holding him back from being an Eagle. I don't think Bowers grew up dreaming about being a Cape Breton Screaming Eagle either but of the 2 teams only 1 of them preserves NCAA eligibility which is the ultimate trump card in this situation. I don't care why he doesn't want to be here because it doesn't matter. Could the the team, the coach, money, perks, the Island...doesn't matter. He doesn't want to be here is all that does matter. But tons of really good kids who are also great hockey players do. Should be no reason to not be able to get good value in return, otherwise why the hell are we wasting top 5 picks? The plan here can't be to do nothing but wait....time is not on our side.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 31, 2015 10:41:05 GMT -4
....but he repeated it after Draft Day did he not ? Yah know what ? Who cares anymore ? The reason this is worst than Roy or O'Leary is that .....in Roy's Case , he was never going to leave the Province of Quebec , O'Leary was set on doing the NCAA thing ....this kid pulls the NCAA Card out after he doesn't go # 1 and people see that and after talking to a good Sample Size , it is an extreme snub to Cape Breton which in the eyes of many "might" be unforgiveable . This is where an OHL executive laughs and says 'this is why we don't make a production out of the draft'. There's too many factors at play here. This is NOT the NHL. We're one of many options. Is the draft cool to see and experience? Absolutely. But sometimes this is the stuff that results from them becoming so large. These stories become bigger and more public. Stop picking the kids who are saying they're going to snub you and your fans won't ever have to feel snubbed. At least with Roy the rules played into our favor and we exploited it to full potential. Our end game here is a trade, the 9th pick in 2016, or nothing. 2 of those 3 options guarantee us with way less value then the 4th overall draft pick.
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