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Post by Citris on Jul 31, 2015 12:40:59 GMT -4
The real frustrating thing from CB's perspective is that it seems like Bowers if left to his own devices would like to play in Cape Breton, or at the very least the QMJHL, it seems to be his advisers that are pulling the strings and making the decisions in the background.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 13:23:57 GMT -4
They aren't sweating at all if he's not here in the QMJHL he'll play in the USHL which was always an option anyway - They had been looking into it prior to the draft so it's not something they hadn't sort of prepared for already. Of course they always had the USHL as an option but do you think Bowers grew up dreaming of playing for the Waterloo Black Hawks because I don't. He probably grew up watching the Mooseheads from Day 1 and aspired to play in the Q. I think the issue here is that the 3 rumoured teams interested in acquiring him (Halifax, Moncton or Saint John) may have offered him a package on the side and I honestly believe that's part of what's holding him back from being an Eagle. I believe I've mentioned this before but for argument sake ... Bowers & Co. were considering (seriously) NCAA prior to the draft this is not something that was considered for months leading up to the draft. Had he been drafted would he have reported there ... I'm sure he would have but I know for a fact a month before the draft he was absolutely considering going the NCAA route. It's may not be his "Dream" scenario but he and his family and perfectly happy with him playing in the USHL (Waterloo) if that is in fact the direction they go. Doesn't make any difference to me I'd rather have him in Cape Breton I'm not against that ... I do think Cape Breton should have traded the pick at the draft but that's just my personal opinion maybe they feel like this is going to accomplish something by playing hardball.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jul 31, 2015 15:14:05 GMT -4
The real frustrating thing from CB's perspective is that it seems like Bowers if left to his own devices would like to play in Cape Breton, or at the very least the QMJHL, it seems to be his advisers that are pulling the strings and making the decisions in the background. Thats what advisors and family do, take the emotion out of decisions for the kid, as they should. The team has a slew of advisors (GM, coaches, scouts, president, lawyers, etc) which make the decisions for the owner. People need to think about that more and realize this is not a 16 yr old vs fans decision. A 16 yr old deserves an umbrella against such a stacked organization which, bottom line, has the owners interests first.
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Post by hal on Jul 31, 2015 15:44:48 GMT -4
The real frustrating thing from CB's perspective is that it seems like Bowers if left to his own devices would like to play in Cape Breton, or at the very least the QMJHL, it seems to be his advisers that are pulling the strings and making the decisions in the background. Thats what advisors and family do, take the emotion out of decisions for the kid, as they should. The team has a slew of advisors (GM, coaches, scouts, president, lawyers, etc) which make the decisions for the owner. People need to think about that more and realize this is not a 16 yr old vs fans decision. A 16 yr old deserves an umbrella against such a stacked organization which, bottom line, has the owners interests first. Owners Interests First ? and people wonder why there was a CHLPA movement afoot the last few years ?
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Post by Citris on Jul 31, 2015 15:53:32 GMT -4
Owners Interests First ? and people wonder why there was a CHLPA movement afoot the last few years ? ... The Owners interests have to be considered, they are after all the ones who stand to lose the most money. The CHLPA was an absolute joke.
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Post by hal on Jul 31, 2015 16:01:15 GMT -4
Owners Interests First ? and people wonder why there was a CHLPA movement afoot the last few years ? ... The Owners interests have to be considered, they are after all the ones who stand to lose the most money. The CHLPA was an absolute joke. But not The Kids ? ......ooh you trusting sort !
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Post by Citris on Jul 31, 2015 16:37:21 GMT -4
But not The Kids ? ......ooh you trusting sort ! The kids get looked after. They have options, which means they have leverage. Remember that whole Shane Bowers thing that's happening right now? What you seem to be complaining about is just the nature of being an employee. People employed by the owner are probably going to put the owners interests first. It's kind of their job. That doesn't mean that there should not be/isn't any consideration for the talent, however to complain that the guy signing your paycheck gets first priority is a bit absurd and disconnected from reality.
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Post by hal on Jul 31, 2015 16:53:06 GMT -4
All I did was remind you that there are two parts to the equation .
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Post by Citris on Jul 31, 2015 16:58:56 GMT -4
All I did was remind you that there are two parts to the equation . I agree completely. There are two sides. Bleh. One thing's for sure tho, this is a late july argument.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Jul 31, 2015 17:05:15 GMT -4
Just reading on the French board that the problem here is Dumont. Nicholas Roy would not play for him and now Bowers is in the same situation. True or not,who knows for sure?
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Post by emerz on Jul 31, 2015 17:12:48 GMT -4
Just reading on the French board that the problem here is Dumont. Nicholas Roy would not play for him and now Bowers is in the same situation. True or not,who knows for sure? Hmm Roy wouldn't play for any maritime teams because his parents wanted him in the french CEGEP system if I remember correctly, so I doubt that but who knows other than the players themselves an Dumont.
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Post by hal on Jul 31, 2015 17:13:12 GMT -4
But are the Roy and Bowers similar enough ? In the sense that Roy is from Northern Quebec "BUT" Bowers is from the Mainland of Nova Scotia . Roy was a 1st Overall Pick but Bowers was but wasn't selected # 1 . I am not defending Dumont ( The Coach ) but other than Darcy did any other players publicly complain about him ? The biggest complaint I have heard from a somewhat close source is that he calls all the shots .....all of them !
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Post by mooseinfo on Jul 31, 2015 17:44:14 GMT -4
All I did was remind you that there are two parts to the equation . I think there is a big difference between 1 and 2 scenario. 1. Player says he is coming and you waste a high pick, when they change their mind and go NCAA. 2. Player says he is not coming and you waste a high pick and they go NCAA. I can see scenario 1. where you spent an asset based on trust, of the kids word, but scenario 2. is on the team.
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Post by hal on Jul 31, 2015 18:23:07 GMT -4
All I did was remind you that there are two parts to the equation . I think there is a big difference between 1 and 2 scenario. 1. Player says he is coming and you waste a high pick, when they change their mind and go NCAA. 2. Player says he is not coming and you waste a high pick and they go NCAA. I can see scenario 1. where you spent an asset based on trust, of the kids word, but scenario 2. is on the team. I was referring to our discussion about Who looks out for the Owners vs Who looks out for the Kids . Not that your points aren't valid .
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Post by goeagles on Jul 31, 2015 20:34:22 GMT -4
But are the Roy and Bowers similar enough ? In the sense that Roy is from Northern Quebec "BUT" Bowers is from the Mainland of Nova Scotia . Roy was a 1st Overall Pick but Bowers was but wasn't selected # 1 . I am not defending Dumont ( The Coach ) but other than Darcy did any other players publicly complain about him ? The biggest complaint I have heard from a somewhat close source is that he calls all the shots .....all of them ! I do not remember Darcy complaining publicly, do not think any other players did either but there are an awful lot of talent that has left here in the last two years and where there is smoke there is fire. I do not think Roy had anything to do with Dumont and have no solid information on the others but there is a lot of talk among agents and teams about lots of friction with some of the guys that left. We will see if Bowers, Ranger and other future players drafted or aquired report.
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