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Post by eaglefan62 on Jul 29, 2015 13:05:28 GMT -4
In response to dogsfan81, I highly doubt that you will get Bowers for Tessier and a 2nd rounder.The Eagles would be better off taking the compensation pick(giving the eagles 2 firsts next year) and trade the 2 firsts at Christmas and the return would simply be much higher than a Tessier. I think you will have to up the ante quite a bit or take the chance on Halifax getting Bowers ahead of you at the draft next year. Pick your poison but I really believe that a kid that was pegged to go at No.1 barring the Velano issue is worth a lot more than a 2nd and a prospect.
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Post by seαωo|f on Jul 29, 2015 14:46:47 GMT -4
For those wondering/interested I can confirm Players report to camp August.9th with the rookie camp being the 10th and 11th and Veterans/Returning Players starting camp the 12th. Camp taking place in Coxheath?
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Post by JEagle on Jul 29, 2015 14:56:20 GMT -4
For those wondering/interested I can confirm Players report to camp August.9th with the rookie camp being the 10th and 11th and Veterans/Returning Players starting camp the 12th. Camp taking place in Coxheath? To be honest I don't know, the person inside the Eagles Organization only gave me the info on the specific dates I mentioned before, but I think it'd be safe to assume that the camp would take place at Centre 200.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Jul 29, 2015 16:02:03 GMT -4
I would think Centre 200 as the ice will be in because there are a couple of kids hockey schools advertised there starting on August 8th.
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Post by emerz on Jul 29, 2015 17:28:55 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 17:36:36 GMT -4
There's the article everyone wanted ..
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Jul 29, 2015 17:40:01 GMT -4
There's the article everyone wanted .. That it is. Dumont may have thought because it worked with Roy that it would work with bowers. He missed his chance at the draft table to cash in. This will be by far his worst move as a gm in cape Breton.
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Post by cb67 on Jul 29, 2015 17:54:24 GMT -4
Compensation pick it is then. I guess two first rounders for trade bait at xmas.
Does anyone have any inside info on what the offer for Bowers was from Saint Johm at the draft ?
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Post by jamesnorris on Jul 29, 2015 17:54:56 GMT -4
That it is. Dumont may have thought because it worked with Roy that it would work with bowers. He missed his chance at the draft table to cash in. This will be by far his worst move as a gm in cape Breton. These are always the most amusing posts. Roy & Bowers situations are totally different. CB had Roy #1 for a while and it was well known before the draft he wouldn't report. Bowers wasn't even in the cards for CB until 48 hours before the draft, I don't even remember reading speculation that he wouldn't report before the draft. What was the potential return at the draft table that he missed? I haven't or heard anything firm from the draft table that was "cash in" worthy. These are probably the same people who would be saying Dumont passing on Bowers was by far his worst move as a GM in Cape Breton.
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Post by jamesnorris on Jul 29, 2015 17:58:17 GMT -4
For what it's worth, the Waterloo people didn't have Bowers in their plans for this year when they drafted him.
They drafted him with next year in mind, knowing that this year he would have trouble getting ice time. That's not uncommon in the USHL, there aren't many 16 year olds in the league (outside of USNTDP)
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Jul 29, 2015 18:10:43 GMT -4
That it is. Dumont may have thought because it worked with Roy that it would work with bowers. He missed his chance at the draft table to cash in. This will be by far his worst move as a gm in cape Breton. These are always the most amusing posts. Roy & Bowers situations are totally different. CB had Roy #1 for a while and it was well known before the draft he wouldn't report. Bowers wasn't even in the cards for CB until 48 hours before the draft, I don't even remember reading speculation that he wouldn't report before the draft. What was the potential return at the draft table that he missed? I haven't or heard anything firm from the draft table that was "cash in" worthy. These are probably the same people who would be saying Dumont passing on Bowers was by far his worst move as a GM in Cape Breton. So we take him pretty much knowing he won't report just to get a pick next year? It makes no sense to me. You're right. No1 knows what Saint John offered. Most likely 2-3 pieces that would have helped big time. Now all we have on the table is another kid that's even Nova Scotian unwilling to report to our team. He will most likely enter the draft next year and go to Halifax. Their offer has to be better then the comp pick next year. I could care less what you think. It sure as hell bothers me that year after year this is happening. Our franchise is slowly slipping away and nobody in the brass gives a shit.
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Post by emerz on Jul 29, 2015 18:23:46 GMT -4
These are always the most amusing posts. Roy & Bowers situations are totally different. CB had Roy #1 for a while and it was well known before the draft he wouldn't report. Bowers wasn't even in the cards for CB until 48 hours before the draft, I don't even remember reading speculation that he wouldn't report before the draft. What was the potential return at the draft table that he missed? I haven't or heard anything firm from the draft table that was "cash in" worthy. These are probably the same people who would be saying Dumont passing on Bowers was by far his worst move as a GM in Cape Breton. So we take him pretty much knowing he won't report just to get a pick next year? It makes no sense to me. You're right. No1 knows what Saint John offered. Most likely 2-3 pieces that would have helped big time. Now all we have on the table is another kid that's even Nova Scotian unwilling to report to our team. He will most likely enter the draft next year and go to Halifax. Their offer has to be better then the comp pick next year. I could care less what you think. It sure as hell bothers me that year after year this is happening. Our franchise is slowly slipping away and nobody in the brass gives a shit. For what its worth, I'm like 90% sure this is more the parents/agents doing than Bowers personally not wanting to play in Cape Breton, so it wasn't like taking him and knowing damn well he wouldn't report, it was a risk and it didn't pay off. I spoke to him a few days after the draft when things were settled down and he was fairly sure he was going to be playing in Cape Breton this year, and was talking about how everyone was saying it was a great group of guys on our team and stuff. Whether people care to believe me about this or not, is up to them. It does suck, I would've loved to watch him play here for 4 years but I kinda like Dumont not caving and just trading him to where ever he wants to go.. he can go move to America for the year and likely get picked by Halifax next year. Its not like our team this year is made/broken by Bowers, we still get a 9th overall pick as trade bait at christmas or whatever and maybe, you never know, we could win the whole league this year.. that would certainly help with recruitment, we need actual success first. "We feel it is important to build within the draft and to keep our promise to our fans to keep that we will remain competitive through the cycles of junior hockey – we have absolutely no intention of trading Shane Bowers." Little updated quote from the CB Post article as it was changed, so definitely just taking the comp pick next year.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Jul 29, 2015 19:13:26 GMT -4
Fair enough emerz. But wouldn't Dumont and company have spoken to bowers camp and known he wouldn't report? I am sure even after he knew he wasn't going #1 anymore, Dumont and company had discussions with his agent.
In a market like cb, wouldn't you agree it has to be somewhat about picking the right players, not the best available?
It's great we at least get the pick next year which will probably be gone at Xmas, but still leaves a sour taste at what else was available at #4.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jul 29, 2015 19:36:21 GMT -4
I find it interesting from reading a lot of CB fans feelings about Dumont seeming like their is no trust in him, but you all believe him when he says he won't trade Bowers. Also mentioning the #9 overall pick will be available to trade at Christmas time. Is that accurate? Is there a timeline for CB to give up Bowers rights so they are awarded the #9 overall pick in time for the Christmas Trade Period?
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Post by emerz on Jul 29, 2015 19:40:35 GMT -4
Fair enough emerz. But wouldn't Dumont and company have spoken to bowers camp and known he wouldn't report? I am sure even after he knew he wasn't going #1 anymore, Dumont and company had discussions with his agent. In a market like cb, wouldn't you agree it has to be somewhat about picking the right players, not the best available? It's great we at least get the pick next year which will probably be gone at Xmas, but still leaves a sour taste at what else was available at #4. I can't really comment about that stuff cause honestly I don't know, all I know is that for a time after the draft Bowers was thinking he'd be playing for us next season, that much I know for sure. Using hindsight now it would have been nice to come away with another high prospect for the future, but I still think, given the information available at draft time that picking Bowers was the right choice. I think its a pretty difficult situation and not something I pin on Dumont even if taking the compensation pick is technically the worst possible outcome from the 4th overall pick. I find it interesting from reading a lot of CB fans feelings about Dumont seeming like their is no trust in him, but you all believe him when he says he won't trade Bowers. Also mentioning the #9 overall pick will be available to trade at Christmas time. Is that accurate? Is there a timeline for CB to give up Bowers rights so they are awarded the #9 overall pick in time for the Christmas Trade Period? Well that is just assumptions based on the wording off his quotes to the post today, he's being very very straight forward about that there is no possibility of them trading Bowers. About the 9th overall pick, I just figured it wouldn't be too hard to formulate some kind of deal that makes sure the 9th overall pick lands with the team, even if they cant officially trade it during Christmas.
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