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Post by yoyomamajoe on Jul 29, 2015 19:58:24 GMT -4
Compensation pick it is then. I guess two first rounders for trade bait at xmas. Does anyone have any inside info on what the offer for Bowers was from Saint Johm at the draft ? That compensation pick is not till next years draft so you can't use it as trade bait this year.The more reason to make a trade happen. Even if the return is not the best it will help you this year; the compensation pick won't
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Post by jamesnorris on Jul 29, 2015 20:03:38 GMT -4
Compensation pick it is then. I guess two first rounders for trade bait at xmas. Does anyone have any inside info on what the offer for Bowers was from Saint Johm at the draft ? That compensation pick is not till next years draft so you can't use it as trade bait this year.The more reason to make a trade happen. Even if the return is not the best it will help you this year; the compensation pick won't This is the QMJHL we're talking about, CB could trade it as a 3rd at Christmas and then trade the compensation pick for the 3rd at the draft
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Post by hal on Jul 29, 2015 20:18:40 GMT -4
Maybe it will be a JC Sawyer Situation where he gets traded at Christmas Time . Could he possibly play JR A in the MHL and say be traded to Halifax , Moncton or even Saint John during the Holiday Trade period ?
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Post by theqprofessor on Jul 29, 2015 20:21:25 GMT -4
100% we can trade the compensation pick, the Bowers situation is still a bit of a head scratcher, why wouldn't the kids parents want him as close to home as possible why still playing in the Q? I would wait it out until Xmas and hope he reports then, Drouin didn't join the Moose until then but he had different reasons. Maybe the dogs and Moose up the offer by then as well depending on the standings
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Post by hal on Jul 29, 2015 21:03:34 GMT -4
Ant guesses on what The Board thinks about going down this road again ? Not about deals made in the past as a result of kids who don't report but in general.....why is this happening......again ?
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Post by eaglefan62 on Jul 29, 2015 21:20:50 GMT -4
Good for Dumont, stick to your guns.Get a good haul for him or let him go to the US and play and take the compensation pick next year, which will give us two 1sts at Christmas to work with. There would be an easy way to stop all this craziness, simply institute a rule that if a player is selected and he does not report, the team gets a compensatory pick but the player does not go back in the draft. In other words, you get one kick at the draft so if you want to go to the US to play, make sure that's what you really want.
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Post by billet on Jul 29, 2015 21:43:13 GMT -4
Good for Dumont, stick to your guns.Get a good haul for him or let him go to the US and play and take the compensation pick next year, which will give us two 1sts at Christmas to work with. There would be an easy way to stop all this craziness, simply institute a rule that if a player is selected and he does not report, the team gets a compensatory pick but the player does not go back in the draft. In other words, you get one kick at the draft so if you want to go to the US to play, make sure that's what you really want. very good thought and idea
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Post by billet on Jul 29, 2015 21:44:29 GMT -4
is cb the only team having this issue
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 21:55:13 GMT -4
Good for Dumont, stick to your guns.Get a good haul for him or let him go to the US and play and take the compensation pick next year, which will give us two 1sts at Christmas to work with. There would be an easy way to stop all this craziness, simply institute a rule that if a player is selected and he does not report, the team gets a compensatory pick but the player does not go back in the draft. In other words, you get one kick at the draft so if you want to go to the US to play, make sure that's what you really want. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by looneytunes on Jul 29, 2015 21:56:57 GMT -4
Good for Dumont, stick to your guns.Get a good haul for him or let him go to the US and play and take the compensation pick next year, which will give us two 1sts at Christmas to work with. There would be an easy way to stop all this craziness, simply institute a rule that if a player is selected and he does not report, the team gets a compensatory pick but the player does not go back in the draft. In other words, you get one kick at the draft so if you want to go to the US to play, make sure that's what you really want. This is really not the best scenerio but I too am glad that Dumont is sticking to his guns. He will just get picked up by Hfx/SJ/MOncton next year so that is trash but ego wise it feels sort of nice to not do exactly what the player wants for once.
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Post by looneytunes on Jul 29, 2015 21:59:42 GMT -4
Ant guesses on what The Board thinks about going down this road again ? Not about deals made in the past as a result of kids who don't report but in general.....why is this happening......again ? Dumont swings for the fences. He did the same thing to get SVechnikov and the N Roy situation. I am ok with the chances he is taking.
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Post by JPLAB on Jul 29, 2015 22:09:16 GMT -4
From the Halifax Herald,
"Dumont said he was under the impression, from reading various media sources, that Bowers was comfortable playing for the Screaming Eagles.
It remains to be seen whether Bowers actually intends to pursue his junior career south of the border or whether the move is aimed at being traded to another QMJHL team.
But Dumont ruled out that possibility.
“We have no intention of trading Shane,” said Dumont. “He's a franchise player. We have to keep him and we will keep him.”
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Post by jamesnorris on Jul 29, 2015 22:19:16 GMT -4
Ant guesses on what The Board thinks about going down this road again ? Not about deals made in the past as a result of kids who don't report but in general.....why is this happening......again ? Dumont swings for the fences. He did the same thing to get SVechnikov and the N Roy situation. I am ok with the chances he is taking. Better than the days of CB going 'safe' like JS Deslauriers lol I wonder if the QMJHL are going to look into the compensation rules again given this is the 3rd straight year a player has refused to report to CB and potentially all 3 of the players will end up playing in the league for different teams at some point. A) I think the players have to stop getting their way with no questions really asked. I remember saying during the Roy nonsense that this could develop a negative trend as future recruits see they can twist CBs arm into whatever they want. I know Hockey Canada wants their best playing domestically but this type of stuff defeats the entire purpose of the draft. B) I don't think there's enough incentive for teams to trade for a holdout. I still don't know why Chicoutimi did what they did for Roy. There's 0 reason why Saint John or Halifax should go nuts via trade knowing he can be redrafted next year just like there was no reason why Moncton came calling for O'Leary last year when he might just report to Moncton as a 3rd round pick after all. I think it would be interesting if the team redrafting a holdout had to compensate the original team with some picks depending on the original draft ranking. IMO it's silly to think a team could pick Bowers next year and get a top 5 2015 pick for a 2nd or later pick. C) I think the compensation went from too good to too bad. A 9th overall pick if your 4th overall pick doesn't report is fairly weak IMO, especially when that 4th overall pick was the projected #1 pick by most 3 days before the draft. With Roy the return was pretty ridiculous but now with Bowers CB has to ask for so much to get fair value that teams aren't willing to trade for the player.
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Post by gocapebreton on Jul 29, 2015 22:28:15 GMT -4
Good for Dumont, stick to your guns.Get a good haul for him or let him go to the US and play and take the compensation pick next year, which will give us two 1sts at Christmas to work with. There would be an easy way to stop all this craziness, simply institute a rule that if a player is selected and he does not report, the team gets a compensatory pick but the player does not go back in the draft. In other words, you get one kick at the draft so if you want to go to the US to play, make sure that's what you really want. Personally, if I could not get fair return for the organization I would rather hold his rights period. If I was only getting a 9th overall pick in return, I would not want a potential star player coming back for potentially 3 years to play for one of my main competitors whom we play 8 +/- times per year. The last thing I want to give my fans/customers is salt in the wound by having this guy rack up multi point games in our barn. I feel the same way in that if the player and his advisors choose to play in a different league, that's fine but they should not be allowed back into the draft without the original team being compensated properly. If he wants back in the league, and one of those teams want him, they'll give more than a 9th overall. I find it somewhat frustrating that the players camp even shows up at the Q draft if they felt the best option was the US route. Apparently, he was selected in May for the Waterloo team. One would think that his advisors had discussions even prior to that. It certainly would be interesting to actually know the full story here, because it just doesn't add up that the kid would be rumoured to want to play with 3 other maritime teams, yet snub a team which he would have excellent surroundings to improve his skills for the next step in his career. He would only be 4 hours from home, would not be treated any better anywhere I'm sure, and I'm pretty certain they have a good education program here for the players. Just doesn't add up.
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Post by jamesnorris on Jul 29, 2015 22:33:34 GMT -4
Good for Dumont, stick to your guns.Get a good haul for him or let him go to the US and play and take the compensation pick next year, which will give us two 1sts at Christmas to work with. There would be an easy way to stop all this craziness, simply institute a rule that if a player is selected and he does not report, the team gets a compensatory pick but the player does not go back in the draft. In other words, you get one kick at the draft so if you want to go to the US to play, make sure that's what you really want. Personally, if I could not get fair return for the organization I would rather hold his rights period. If I was only getting a 9th overall pick in return, I would not want a potential star player coming back for potentially 3 years to play for one of my main competitors whom we play 8 +/- times per year. The last thing I want to give my fans/customers is salt in the wound by having this guy rack up multi point games in our barn. I feel the same way in that if the player and his advisors choose to play in a different league, that's fine but they should not be allowed back into the draft without the original team being compensated properly. If he wants back in the league, and one of those teams want him, they'll give more than a 9th overall. I find it somewhat frustrating that the players camp even shows up at the Q draft if they felt the best option was the US route. Apparently, he was selected in May for the Waterloo team. One would think that his advisors had discussions even prior to that. It certainly would be interesting to actually know the full story here, because it just doesn't add up that the kid would be rumoured to want to play with 3 other maritime teams, yet snub a team which he would have excellent surroundings to improve his skills for the next step in his career. He would only be 4 hours from home, would not be treated any better anywhere I'm sure, and I'm pretty certain they have a good education program here for the players. Just doesn't add up.
I agree. 9th overall pick is decent but for a guy who was a potential #1 pick? It's probably more valuable to hold him off your division rivals roster tbh
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