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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 18, 2016 10:05:48 GMT -4
We all know of Eichel... but who else? The only other one recently was John Marino, but that was in the 3rd round. Somewhat of a wasted pick, but nothing crazy. Sounded like Marino was coming until he bailed last minute. He ended up being a late round pick by Edmonton, but not like he's a big time prospect. I think the whole NCAA/homerun picks are a bit overblown for Halifax. We've had some swings and misses over the years, but I think the discussion and dissection of each of those picks makes it seem worse then it actually is/was. There haven't been THAT many. If Eichel would have reported, we likely would have won back to back President's Cups and good shot at repeat Memorial Cup champs. I'll take that shot any day. I think Moncton take way more risks than we do, taking euro's/picks that may or may not report... who may or may not turn out to be as good as they were thought to be. I couldn't remember anyone else we took in round 1 or 2 that was a long shot to report, and never did come.
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Post by Gman on Jan 18, 2016 10:11:18 GMT -4
FTFY CB gets a compensation pick if they remove Bowers from their protected list before the 2016 draft. It is 5 places after where they picked him, so I guess it would be 9th overall. And I know there was a single tweet indicating Wahlstrom may be interested in the Q, but if Cam goes and picks him with any of his firsts without a commitment, he's an idiot. Calling it now. He has gone for the home run on many occasions, but it's always caught at the warning track. Enough of that shit. We all know of Eichel... but who else? Cichy, Marino, to name a couple. Plus there's trading for O'Leary as well- hopefully he had a commitment from him. I might have exaggerated, but I think the bottom line is that Russell needs to be smart with the assets and not swing for the fences on long shots. The Q is a very hard sell these days, and GM's will just have to accept that when forming their wish list.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 18, 2016 10:28:24 GMT -4
We all know of Eichel... but who else? Cichy, Marino, to name a couple. Plus there's trading for O'Leary as well- hopefully he had a commitment from him. I might have exaggerated, but I think the bottom line is that Russell needs to be smart with the assets and not swing for the fences on long shots. The Q is a very hard sell these days, and GM's will just have to accept that when forming their wish list. Cichy was a 3rd round pick in 2006. You didn't just exaggerate, you created a world that doesn't exist
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Post by Citris on Jan 18, 2016 10:47:16 GMT -4
FYI SJ only owns the pick you have marked at #8 via Charlottetown. SJs own pick that you have marked at #13 belongs to Baie Comeau. Oh right, the Imama trade? I forgot about that somehow. That's even better for Halifax as SJ and HAL probably want a few of the same guys.
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Post by Gman on Jan 18, 2016 10:49:35 GMT -4
Cichy, Marino, to name a couple. Plus there's trading for O'Leary as well- hopefully he had a commitment from him. I might have exaggerated, but I think the bottom line is that Russell needs to be smart with the assets and not swing for the fences on long shots. The Q is a very hard sell these days, and GM's will just have to accept that when forming their wish list. Cichy was a 3rd round pick in 2006. You didn't just exaggerate, you created a world that doesn't exist Context is important. In that draft, Halifax had 2 picks in the first 5 rounds, so picking a long shot was not wise. But that was 10 years ago, and a different GM. Eichel was the only significant miss recently, and hopefully he learned his lesson. Ironically, this year is the year Russell can afford to take some chances, but I'd rather he wait until outside the 1st round at least. Just because you have 3 firsts doesn't mean you can afford to waste one.
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Post by Smiley on Jan 18, 2016 12:19:30 GMT -4
Cichy was a 3rd round pick in 2006. You didn't just exaggerate, you created a world that doesn't exist Context is important. In that draft, Halifax had 2 picks in the first 5 rounds, so picking a long shot was not wise. But that was 10 years ago, and a different GM. Eichel was the only significant miss recently, and hopefully he learned his lesson. Ironically, this year is the year Russell can afford to take some chances, but I'd rather he wait until outside the 1st round at least. Just because you have 3 firsts doesn't mean you can afford to waste one. Eichel is the only real miss for Cam. But you have to put in context, the rules changed right after we drafted Eichel. When Eichel was drafted there was a commitment that he would come and Eichel himself also tweeted about the mooseheads...right after the pick (so he was following the draft). But then the Education plan changed (more restrictions) and Eichel wasn't going to get as sweet a deal. Hard to totally blame Cam on that when he made the pick the rules were different but shortly after the rules changed - but still a miss.
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Post by Smiley on Jan 18, 2016 12:54:09 GMT -4
I think the bigger issue with the Eichel draft was with his no show it was a complete write off for the Moose - very bad draft (and not many picks) and looked like a Patenaude draft.
But if you look at the next 3 drafts, you see that Cam and team did a really good job and you would have to grade them well. Not every pick is going to be a superstar but they got a lot of roster players out of the draft (including good players in the 9th round each year).
2013 was a much better draft with the following roster players: 1st round - No Pick 2nd round - Fortier 2nd round - Taylor Ford 3rd round - No Pick 4th Round - Vincent Watt 5th round - Taillefer 5th round - Moynihan 6th round - No Pick 7th Round - Jordan King** We got 51 games out of him then picked up a 7th rounder again. 8th Round - Worthen 9th Round - Shewfelt
2014 (no superstars but serviceable players) 1st Round - No Pick 2nd Round - Crossley 3rd Round - Marino 3rd Round - Dachyshyn 4th Round - Argento 5th Round - Naus 5th Round - Blain-Dupuis 6th Round - Kevin Martin (probably hoping for a brier win) 7th Round - Vanier 8th Round - Levesque 9th Round - Resop
2015 Still too early to judge 1st Round - Durandeau 2nd Round - Flower 2nd Round - Putintsev 3rd Round - LePage 3rd Round - Charlebois 4th Round - No Pick 5th Round - No Pick 6th Round - Bishop 6th Round - Blais 7th Round - Kennedy 7th Round - Higgins** 8th Round - Toner 9th Round - Jones
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Post by Citris on Jan 18, 2016 13:06:58 GMT -4
Remember that Eichel was put back in the draft for the pick that would become Fortier. You re-draft 2014 and Forts is a top-10 pick.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 18, 2016 13:24:23 GMT -4
That's a really good point on Eichel/Fortier ^
Crossley and Putintsev look like misses at this point given they were 2nd round picks, but they could still develop into useful players at 18/19.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 18, 2016 13:26:34 GMT -4
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Post by defresh101 on Jan 18, 2016 13:34:17 GMT -4
I don't think Crossley and Putintsev were misses as much as they were above valued due to ties/links to the organization. Somewhat like Bowers being local if he was not from Halifax/Nova Scotia we would have totally forgot about him by now. Moose team and fans always showed interest in Ben Duffy and Brad Marchand. Ben never was the star expected although started to produce. And well Brad Marchand we know that story. I believe a team that walks away from Bowers and seeks better opportunities may be better off. Crossley it happens those situations will happen again, letting your heart get the best of you. Lets hope John Moore never has a sub par grandson who plays midget.
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Post by hockeydad on Jan 18, 2016 16:11:07 GMT -4
What sticks out when you look at the 2014 draft is 1st rounders how they have produced in the league and us having 3 first rounders and 2 good second rounders that were going to be able to pick some really good talent that will set us up for 4 or 5 years.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Jan 18, 2016 16:40:34 GMT -4
Have to be bad for a few seasons to be good again, you guys just wait in a season or two we'll be at the top again.
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Post by Citris on Jan 18, 2016 17:30:34 GMT -4
Changed the first post.
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Post by canbeer on Jan 18, 2016 17:46:05 GMT -4
Putintsev is 40th in rookie scoring but I think about 9th among 16 year olds (3 of those 16 years olds ahead of him are on Halifax). Also, he's involved getting shots and chances, loves to shoot. Not everyone is going to be a top line guy but I think it's really early to call him a miss. I think come 18/19 he could be a good triggerman on the 2nd line.
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