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Post by moosefan1994 on Jan 11, 2016 14:39:49 GMT -4
Elite Prospects has a good spot to gather info on the top ranked 2018 NHL draft prospects, which is a decent spot to gather info on the top 2016 Q draft eligible players. www.eliteprospects.com/draftcenter.php?year=2018One player to keep an eye on is Olivier Wahlstrom. Dual USA/Sweden citizenship. Is from Portland, ME, which would make him Q draft eligible if I'm not mistaken. Currently playing for Shattuck St. Mary's Prep school, and, according to eliteprospects, is committed to Harvard. Would definitely fit in with our plans should we be able to convince him to report. Could be another Eichel situation though. Same spot, different year: The 2017 NHL draft list might be a good spot to check out top Euro picks for this coming Import draft. www.eliteprospects.com/draftcenter.php?sort=nation&year=2017&layout=&ranking=&pos=&nation=&league=&con=Jake Wise is in Q territory as well and from what I have read more highly regarded than Wahlstrom but that may have changed.
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Post by guru on Jan 11, 2016 14:45:32 GMT -4
I'd rather the best player available. If the best available player is any where near the talent of Drouin, MacKinnon, Ehlers (and I doubt he is) would be more fun to watch that. Winning it all is fun and all, but I'd rather see someone awesome.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jan 17, 2016 21:48:21 GMT -4
Just a question for anybody. The Moose have 3 2nd rounds picks this year correct? I think we have a conditional 2nd rounder from RN, that will change to a 2016 2nd rounder when the final standings are set.
I am wondering if the Moose have a lottery pick and get the first pick, do we draft by positional need, or pick the best player available eg. Groulx? Or do they want the best local player McIsaac? It will be an interesting draft if the top Americans make themselves available. I am now wondering if Bowers will even go in the first round if he is available. The Mooseheads could be looking at another huge first round.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 17, 2016 21:57:16 GMT -4
Just a question for anybody. The Moose have 3 2nd rounds picks this year correct? I think we have a conditional 2nd rounder from RN, that will change to a 2016 2nd rounder when the final standings are set. I am wondering if the Moose have a lottery pick and get the first pick, do we draft by positional need, or pick the best player available eg. Groulx? Or do they want the best local player McIsaac? It will be an interesting draft if the top Americans make themselves available. I am now wondering if Bowers will even go in the first round if he is available. The Mooseheads could be looking at another huge first round. General consensus with top 10 picks is you pick the best player available. If we get 1st overall, I'm pretty sure it'll be Groulx. I was hoping we could use our Quebec pick on someone like Wahlstrom. But if he's 100% committed to the Q next season, he won't last that long. There are three goaltending prospects slated to go in the 1st round. I can see us using Shawinigan's pick on one. Or packaging that pick to move up again.
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Post by Citris on Jan 18, 2016 1:41:52 GMT -4
General consensus with top 10 picks is you pick the best player available. If we get 1st overall, I'm pretty sure it'll be Groulx. I was hoping we could use our Quebec pick on someone like Wahlstrom. But if he's 100% committed to the Q next season, he won't last that long.I think there's a big difference between 100% committed and having interest. Now, obviously, none of us know Wahlstrom's intentions: but it could be that he would rather keep his NCAA eligibility than report to a small market team. Saint John would be a threat, but... Quebec is pretty bad post deadline. SJ has the Islanders pick. Side Tangent: CHA only needs to make up 9 points on Quebec, and Charlottetown still has several games remaining against Halifax.... and a couple next week against Bathurst (who were hot, but now are the walking wounded... injuries should make those points gimmes for CHA). I think the draft positions could end up looking like this: 1- Halifax2-Baie-Commeau 3-Blainville-Broisbriand 4-Sherbrooke 5-Bathurst 6-Drummondville 7- Halifax (via QUE) 8-Saint John (via CHA) ---Cape Breton Compensation pick?---9-Chicoutimi 10-Moncton (via Victo) 11-Drummondville (via RIM) 12-Cape Breton 13-Saint John 14-Gatineau 15-Charlottetown (Via VD) 16- Halifax (via SHA) 17-Baie-Commeau (Via MON) 18-Rouyn-Noranda This is... fairly optimistic for Halifax. But not impossible. Quebec will be lucky to pick up 10 points from here on in, they'll finish between 55-65 pts... there are a lot of teams within 10 points that are hot right now.
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Post by L'il Boy on Jan 18, 2016 4:20:31 GMT -4
General consensus with top 10 picks is you pick the best player available. If we get 1st overall, I'm pretty sure it'll be Groulx. I was hoping we could use our Quebec pick on someone like Wahlstrom. But if he's 100% committed to the Q next season, he won't last that long.I think there's a big difference between 100% committed and having interest. Now, obviously, none of us know Wahlstrom's intentions: but it could be that he would rather keep his NCAA eligibility than report to a small market team. Saint John would be a threat, but... Quebec is pretty bad post deadline. SJ has the Islanders pick. Side Tangent: CHA only needs to make up 9 points on Quebec, and Charlottetown still has several games remaining against Halifax.... and a couple next week against Bathurst (who were hot, but now are the walking wounded... injuries should make those points gimmes for CHA).
Gimmes and CHA probably don't work well together in any sentence!
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Post by Reesor on Jan 18, 2016 7:37:56 GMT -4
General consensus with top 10 picks is you pick the best player available. If we get 1st overall, I'm pretty sure it'll be Groulx. I was hoping we could use our Quebec pick on someone like Wahlstrom. But if he's 100% committed to the Q next season, he won't last that long.I think there's a big difference between 100% committed and having interest. Now, obviously, none of us know Wahlstrom's intentions: but it could be that he would rather keep his NCAA eligibility than report to a small market team. Saint John would be a threat, but... Quebec is pretty bad post deadline. SJ has the Islanders pick. Side Tangent: CHA only needs to make up 9 points on Quebec, and Charlottetown still has several games remaining against Halifax.... and a couple next week against Bathurst (who were hot, but now are the walking wounded... injuries should make those points gimmes for CHA). I think the draft positions could end up looking like this: 1- Halifax2-Baie-Commeau 3-Blainville-Broisbriand 4-Sherbrooke 5-Bathurst 6-Drummondville 7- Halifax (via QUE) 8-Saint John (via CHA) ---Cape Breton Compensation pick?---9-Chicoutimi 10-Moncton (via Victo) 11-Drummondville (via RIM) 12-Cape Breton 13-Saint John 14-Gatineau 15-Charlottetown (Via VD) 16- Halifax (via SHA) 17-Baie-Commeau (Via MON) 18-Rouyn-Noranda This is... fairly optimistic for Halifax. But not impossible. Quebec will be lucky to pick up 10 points from here on in, they'll finish between 55-65 pts... there are a lot of teams within 10 points that are hot right now. The Drakkar never lose a coinflip, so the 1st pick is as good as theirs (Although I'm sure it will be Saint John's some how. ) Of course the Bowers situation will be intriguing as well. Do we use a 1st rounder on him should CB take the comp pick? He may not pass SJ's pick if he goes back into the draft. Other rhetoricals for the Moose are: Do we pick a goalie in the 1st round? With which pick? Do we package picks to move up? This might be one of the more interesting drafts in Moose history. We need something to look forward to guru.
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Post by Murph on Jan 18, 2016 7:48:39 GMT -4
I think there's a big difference between 100% committed and having interest. Now, obviously, none of us know Wahlstrom's intentions: but it could be that he would rather keep his NCAA eligibility than report to a small market team. Saint John would be a threat, but... Quebec is pretty bad post deadline. SJ has the Islanders pick. Side Tangent: CHA only needs to make up 9 points on Quebec, and Charlottetown still has several games remaining against Halifax.... and a couple next week against Bathurst (who were hot, but now are the walking wounded... injuries should make those points gimmes for CHA). I think the draft positions could end up looking like this: 1- Halifax2-Baie-Commeau 3-Blainville-Broisbriand 4-Sherbrooke 5-Bathurst 6-Drummondville 7- Halifax (via QUE) 8-Saint John (via CHA) ---Cape Breton Compensation pick?---9-Chicoutimi 10-Moncton (via Victo) 11-Drummondville (via RIM) 12-Cape Breton 13-Saint John 14-Gatineau 15-Charlottetown (Via VD) 16- Halifax (via SHA) 17-Baie-Commeau (Via MON) 18-Rouyn-Noranda This is... fairly optimistic for Halifax. But not impossible. Quebec will be lucky to pick up 10 points from here on in, they'll finish between 55-65 pts... there are a lot of teams within 10 points that are hot right now. The Drakkar never lose a coinflip, so the 1st pick is as good as theirs (Although I'm sure it will be Saint John's some how. ) Of course the Bowers situation will be intriguing as well. Do we use a 1st rounder on him should CB take the comp pick? He may not pass SJ's pick if he goes back into the draft. Other rhetoricals for the Moose are: Do we pick a goalie in the 1st round? With which pick? Do we package picks to move up? This might be one of the more interesting drafts in Moose history. We need something to look forward to guru. Best case for Halifax, IMO would be land MacIssac with their own 1st. Then have Charlottetown finish too low for Saint John to select Bowers with that pick. I don't see them using say a top 8 pick on a 1999 born player. Victo passing Quebec is almost a certainty so Halifax would have two picks before Moncton. Halifax could select Wahlstrom with Quebec's 1st before the Moncton pick, and then have Bowers for the Shawi pick. Halifax could also package some 2nds or even a 2017 1st to jump ahead of Saint John if they need to. Moose walk away with MacIssac, Wahlstrom and Bowers. Shawinigan's pick right now isn't 16th it's 14th and I would bet Saint John passes Shawi giving Halifax the 13th pick as SJ has an easier sked the rest of the way and only 2 points back but we'll see.
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Post by defresh101 on Jan 18, 2016 8:40:36 GMT -4
General consensus with top 10 picks is you pick the best player available. If we get 1st overall, I'm pretty sure it'll be Groulx. I was hoping we could use our Quebec pick on someone like Wahlstrom. But if he's 100% committed to the Q next season, he won't last that long.I think there's a big difference between 100% committed and having interest. Now, obviously, none of us know Wahlstrom's intentions: but it could be that he would rather keep his NCAA eligibility than report to a small market team. Saint John would be a threat, but... Quebec is pretty bad post deadline. SJ has the Islanders pick. Side Tangent: CHA only needs to make up 9 points on Quebec, and Charlottetown still has several games remaining against Halifax.... and a couple next week against Bathurst (who were hot, but now are the walking wounded... injuries should make those points gimmes for CHA). I think the draft positions could end up looking like this: 1- Halifax2-Baie-Commeau 3-Blainville-Broisbriand 4-Sherbrooke 5-Bathurst 6-Drummondville 7- Halifax (via QUE) 8-Saint John (via CHA) ---Cape Breton Compensation pick?---9-Chicoutimi 10-Moncton (via Victo) 11-Drummondville (via RIM) 12-Cape Breton 13-Saint John 14-Gatineau 15-Charlottetown (Via VD) 16- Halifax (via SHA) 17-Baie-Commeau (Via MON) 18-Rouyn-Noranda This is... fairly optimistic for Halifax. But not impossible. Quebec will be lucky to pick up 10 points from here on in, they'll finish between 55-65 pts... there are a lot of teams within 10 points that are hot right now.[/quot what is the Cape Breton compensation pick for. Is this Assuming SJ takes Bowers
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Post by Gman on Jan 18, 2016 8:56:20 GMT -4
I think there's a big difference between 100% committed and having interest. Now, obviously, none of us know Wahlstrom's intentions: but it could be that he would rather keep his NCAA eligibility than report to a small market team. Saint John would be a threat, but... Quebec is pretty bad post deadline. SJ has the Islanders pick. Side Tangent: CHA only needs to make up 9 points on Quebec, and Charlottetown still has several games remaining against Halifax.... and a couple next week against Bathurst (who were hot, but now are the walking wounded... injuries should make those points gimmes for CHA). I think the draft positions could end up looking like this: 1- Halifax2-Baie-Commeau 3-Blainville-Broisbriand 4-Sherbrooke 5-Bathurst 6-Drummondville 7- Halifax (via QUE) 8-Saint John (via CHA) ---Cape Breton Compensation pick?---9-Chicoutimi 10-Moncton (via Victo) 11-Drummondville (via RIM) 12-Cape Breton 13-Saint John 14-Gatineau 15-Charlottetown (Via VD) 16- Halifax (via SHA) 17-Baie-Commeau (Via MON) 18-Rouyn-Noranda This is... fairly optimistic for Halifax. But not impossible. Quebec will be lucky to pick up 10 points from here on in, they'll finish between 55-65 pts... there are a lot of teams within 10 points that are hot right now. what is the Cape Breton compensation pick for. Is this Assuming SJ takes Bowers FTFY CB gets a compensation pick if they remove Bowers from their protected list before the 2016 draft. It is 5 places after where they picked him, so I guess it would be 9th overall. And I know there was a single tweet indicating Wahlstrom may be interested in the Q, but if Cam goes and picks him with any of his firsts without a commitment, he's an idiot. Calling it now. He has gone for the home run on many occasions, but it's always caught at the warning track. Enough of that shit.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 18, 2016 9:08:29 GMT -4
what is the Cape Breton compensation pick for. Is this Assuming SJ takes Bowers FTFY CB gets a compensation pick if they remove Bowers from their protected list before the 2016 draft. It is 5 places after where they picked him, so I guess it would be 9th overall. And I know there was a single tweet indicating Wahlstrom may be interested in the Q, but if Cam goes and picks him with any of his firsts without a commitment, he's an idiot. Calling it now. He has gone for the home run on many occasions, but it's always caught at the warning track. Enough of that shit. We all know of Eichel... but who else?
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Post by Reesor on Jan 18, 2016 9:12:15 GMT -4
The Drakkar never lose a coinflip, so the 1st pick is as good as theirs (Although I'm sure it will be Saint John's some how. ) Of course the Bowers situation will be intriguing as well. Do we use a 1st rounder on him should CB take the comp pick? He may not pass SJ's pick if he goes back into the draft. Other rhetoricals for the Moose are: Do we pick a goalie in the 1st round? With which pick? Do we package picks to move up? This might be one of the more interesting drafts in Moose history. We need something to look forward to guru . Best case for Halifax, IMO would be land MacIssac with their own 1st. Then have Charlottetown finish too low for Saint John to select Bowers with that pick. I don't see them using say a top 8 pick on a 1999 born player. Victo passing Quebec is almost a certainty so Halifax would have two picks before Moncton. Halifax could select Wahlstrom with Quebec's 1st before the Moncton pick, and then have Bowers for the Shawi pick. Halifax could also package some 2nds or even a 2017 1st to jump ahead of Saint John if they need to. Moose walk away with MacIssac, Wahlstrom and Bowers. Shawinigan's pick right now isn't 16th it's 14th and I would bet Saint John passes Shawi giving Halifax the 13th pick as SJ has an easier sked the rest of the way and only 2 points back but we'll see. Do you believe the Moose would pick MacIsaac over Groulx if they have the 1st overall pick? Jacques Strap had asked the question of Best Player Available vs Positional Need earlier. Also, just for clarification, does the draft order go strictly by points? Or does winning your division put you down further in draft order? Example: Shawinigan wins their division but have less points than the 2nd place team in the west division. Who has the better draft pick?
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Post by Murph on Jan 18, 2016 9:14:05 GMT -4
Best case for Halifax, IMO would be land MacIssac with their own 1st. Then have Charlottetown finish too low for Saint John to select Bowers with that pick. I don't see them using say a top 8 pick on a 1999 born player. Victo passing Quebec is almost a certainty so Halifax would have two picks before Moncton. Halifax could select Wahlstrom with Quebec's 1st before the Moncton pick, and then have Bowers for the Shawi pick. Halifax could also package some 2nds or even a 2017 1st to jump ahead of Saint John if they need to. Moose walk away with MacIssac, Wahlstrom and Bowers. Shawinigan's pick right now isn't 16th it's 14th and I would bet Saint John passes Shawi giving Halifax the 13th pick as SJ has an easier sked the rest of the way and only 2 points back but we'll see. Do you believe the Moose would pick MacIsaac over Groulx if they have the 1st overall pick? Jacques Strap had asked the question of Best Player Available vs Positional Need earlier. Also, just for clarification, does the draft order go strictly by points? Or does winning your division put you down further in draft order? Example: Shawinigan wins their division but have less points than Val d'Or. Who has the better draft pick? The draft is seeded by points.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Jan 18, 2016 9:53:02 GMT -4
General consensus with top 10 picks is you pick the best player available. If we get 1st overall, I'm pretty sure it'll be Groulx. I was hoping we could use our Quebec pick on someone like Wahlstrom. But if he's 100% committed to the Q next season, he won't last that long.I think there's a big difference between 100% committed and having interest. Now, obviously, none of us know Wahlstrom's intentions: but it could be that he would rather keep his NCAA eligibility than report to a small market team. Saint John would be a threat, but... Quebec is pretty bad post deadline. SJ has the Islanders pick. Side Tangent: CHA only needs to make up 9 points on Quebec, and Charlottetown still has several games remaining against Halifax.... and a couple next week against Bathurst (who were hot, but now are the walking wounded... injuries should make those points gimmes for CHA). I think the draft positions could end up looking like this: 1- Halifax2-Baie-Commeau 3-Blainville-Broisbriand 4-Sherbrooke 5-Bathurst 6-Drummondville 7- Halifax (via QUE) 8-Saint John (via CHA) ---Cape Breton Compensation pick?---9-Chicoutimi 10-Moncton (via Victo) 11-Drummondville (via RIM) 12-Cape Breton 13-Saint John 14-Gatineau 15-Charlottetown (Via VD) 16- Halifax (via SHA) 17-Baie-Commeau (Via MON) 18-Rouyn-Noranda This is... fairly optimistic for Halifax. But not impossible. Quebec will be lucky to pick up 10 points from here on in, they'll finish between 55-65 pts... there are a lot of teams within 10 points that are hot right now. FYI SJ only owns the pick you have marked at #8 via Charlottetown. SJs own pick that you have marked at #13 belongs to Baie Comeau.
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Post by howitzer on Jan 18, 2016 9:55:27 GMT -4
FTFY CB gets a compensation pick if they remove Bowers from their protected list before the 2016 draft. It is 5 places after where they picked him, so I guess it would be 9th overall. And I know there was a single tweet indicating Wahlstrom may be interested in the Q, but if Cam goes and picks him with any of his firsts without a commitment, he's an idiot. Calling it now. He has gone for the home run on many occasions, but it's always caught at the warning track. Enough of that shit. We all know of Eichel... but who else? The only other one recently was John Marino, but that was in the 3rd round. Somewhat of a wasted pick, but nothing crazy. Sounded like Marino was coming until he bailed last minute. He ended up being a late round pick by Edmonton, but not like he's a big time prospect. I think the whole NCAA/homerun picks are a bit overblown for Halifax. We've had some swings and misses over the years, but I think the discussion and dissection of each of those picks makes it seem worse then it actually is/was. There haven't been THAT many. If Eichel would have reported, we likely would have won back to back President's Cups and good shot at repeat Memorial Cup champs. I'll take that shot any day.
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