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Post by SteveUL on Nov 20, 2016 20:29:10 GMT -4
I'm not here to defend Roger Shannon but I find it very unfair to compare Moncton to Halifax in terms of rebuilding. Halifax started unloading last season and picked up most of their assets used to acquire young players at the trade deadline. This is what Moncton's plans are this season season , so the better compairison would be where we are at this time next season. We do have quite a few trades assets in Askew, Klimas, Holwell, Cormier. Those players will receive a decent return. Timo Meier = 1st , 2nd, 4th Very comparable to the returns we're speculating for Askew. Cavan Fitzgerald = Chainey , 3rd Holwell should be able to land something close to that. Donaghey & Moynihan + 3rd = Taylor(basically a throw in) , 1st , O'Leary , 2nd , 4th I scratched the 3rd and O'Leary cause I think that was about his value at the time. The Klima twins should get at least a 1st , 2nd and 4th otherwise keep them for overagers next year. Hunter + King = 7th + 8th If we decide to move Cormier , we'll probably see a 3rd / 4th in return. I think you overrated the values but the real problem will be what Shannon does with the draft picks he gets. Also ... your values and what Shannon is Willing to settle for could be very far apart. Can you name any trades where you think Shannon got good value ?
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Post by ronmac on Nov 20, 2016 20:43:14 GMT -4
I'm not here to defend Roger Shannon but I find it very unfair to compare Moncton to Halifax in terms of rebuilding. Halifax started unloading last season and picked up most of their assets used to acquire young players at the trade deadline. This is what Moncton's plans are this season season , so the better compairison would be where we are at this time next season. We do have quite a few trades assets in Askew, Klimas, Holwell, Cormier. Those players will receive a decent return. Timo Meier = 1st , 2nd, 4th Very comparable to the returns we're speculating for Askew. Cavan Fitzgerald = Chainey , 3rd Holwell should be able to land something close to that. Donaghey & Moynihan + 3rd = Taylor(basically a throw in) , 1st , O'Leary , 2nd , 4th I scratched the 3rd and O'Leary cause I think that was about his value at the time. The Klima twins should get at least a 1st , 2nd and 4th otherwise keep them for overagers next year. Hunter + King = 7th + 8th If we decide to move Cormier , we'll probably see a 3rd / 4th in return. I think you overrated the values but the real problem will be what Shannon does with the draft picks he gets. Also ... your values and what Shannon is Willing to settle for could be very far apart. Can you name any trades where you think Shannon got good value ? My thought exactly, where did he ever get good value in any trades he was involved in? please tell us.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2016 20:55:11 GMT -4
I'm not here to defend Roger Shannon but I find it very unfair to compare Moncton to Halifax in terms of rebuilding. Halifax started unloading last season and picked up most of their assets used to acquire young players at the trade deadline. This is what Moncton's plans are this season season , so the better compairison would be where we are at this time next season. We do have quite a few trades assets in Askew, Klimas, Holwell, Cormier. Those players will receive a decent return. Timo Meier = 1st , 2nd, 4th Very comparable to the returns we're speculating for Askew. Cavan Fitzgerald = Chainey , 3rd Holwell should be able to land something close to that. Donaghey & Moynihan + 3rd = Taylor(basically a throw in) , 1st , O'Leary , 2nd , 4th I scratched the 3rd and O'Leary cause I think that was about his value at the time. The Klima twins should get at least a 1st , 2nd and 4th otherwise keep them for overagers next year. Hunter + King = 7th + 8th If we decide to move Cormier , we'll probably see a 3rd / 4th in return. I'm not sure Shannon is the guy to maximise the value of those players.
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Post by bois on Nov 21, 2016 10:44:26 GMT -4
Timo Meier was a hundred times the player Cam Askew is
The Klima twins are probably actually less marketable because of the fact they are a package... and one of them is considerably less productive than the other
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Nov 21, 2016 11:16:29 GMT -4
Timo Meier was a hundred times the player Cam Askew is The Klima twins are probably actually less marketable because of the fact they are a package... and one of them is considerably less productive than the other He was also a Euro which certainly affected his value... If I recall correctly , Rouyn Noranda was almost the only fit to make that trade.
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Post by joehockey on Nov 21, 2016 11:55:06 GMT -4
Timo Meier was a hundred times the player Cam Askew is The Klima twins are probably actually less marketable because of the fact they are a package... and one of them is considerably less productive than the other He was also a Euro which certainly affected his value... If I recall correctly , Rouyn Noranda was almost the only fit to make that trade. Askew is probably back as a 20 too which will likely increase his value. But yeah, he is definitely not as good as Meier.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 21, 2016 18:01:11 GMT -4
Timo Meier was a hundred times the player Cam Askew is The Klima twins are probably actually less marketable because of the fact they are a package... and one of them is considerably less productive than the other 100 times?? Meier is definitely a better player than Askew, but being a euro hurts his value...Askew is 19 and can go anywhere. The strange thing about the Klimas is Kevin is the much better player, but Kelly is having the better year so far. I think it would be had to get full value for both, but I think for a team needing offensive depth, they make up 2/3 of a pretty good 2nd line and they will play in the Q at 20. At 18 & 19... Kevin 73 GP 25-40-65 Kelly 84 GP 35-28-63 I think a 1st, 2nd plus a pretty good young player or strong OA back at the draft is pretty reasonable value, maybe more.
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Post by joehockey on Nov 28, 2016 21:47:47 GMT -4
When Hodge does his next list what are the chances that based solely on this weekend MacDonald is now a top 3 prospect? It's actually probably pretty reasonable when you consider the prospect Moncton has though.
Also, if Moncton does trade away a few players like we all hope, who will replace them? Moncton doesn't have many prospects that aren't on the roster right now.
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Post by dropthedraft on Nov 28, 2016 23:53:01 GMT -4
When Hodge does his next list what are the chances that based solely on this weekend MacDonald is now a top 3 prospect? It's actually probably pretty reasonable when you consider the prospect Moncton has though. Also, if Moncton does trade away a few players like we all hope, who will replace them? Moncton doesn't have many prospects that aren't on the roster right now. Hopefully we would get a couple young prospects in return....maybe one or two that can play immediately. We will be able to ice a team....not to worry.
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 29, 2016 4:44:20 GMT -4
Maybe Jacob Hudson comes up? However, he may decide to ride it out with his Major Midget team that has a very real chance of going to the Telus Cup and that may be best for his development anyways. I think he is the captain of the team and gets a lot of ice time and I'm not sure half a season in the Q would serve him better than the MajorMdiget circuit.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 29, 2016 8:07:22 GMT -4
When Hodge does his next list what are the chances that based solely on this weekend MacDonald is now a top 3 prospect? It's actually probably pretty reasonable when you consider the prospect Moncton has though. Also, if Moncton does trade away a few players like we all hope, who will replace them? Moncton doesn't have many prospects that aren't on the roster right now. Who would be top prospects that are not on team and not NCAA bound? Can't be a ton of them... MacDonald and Hudson are the only guys drafted in the top 5 rounds not on the team...of the non NCAA guys. For 2015, all top 5 round picks are either on the team(Lavoie Cyr McKenna Aspirot) or traded away(O'Leary and Crossman).
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 29, 2016 8:11:33 GMT -4
When Hodge does his next list what are the chances that based solely on this weekend MacDonald is now a top 3 prospect? It's actually probably pretty reasonable when you consider the prospect Moncton has though. Also, if Moncton does trade away a few players like we all hope, who will replace them? Moncton doesn't have many prospects that aren't on the roster right now. Hopefully we would get a couple young prospects in return....maybe one or two that can play immediately. We will be able to ice a team....not to worry. I would not be surprised is they lean more towards adding young players vs draft picks by making trades in the next 6 weeks. I would hope they can do both, in an ideal world, I would trade 4-5 of the top veterans(ones that can bring back most return), add 2-3 picks in the top 2 rounds for 2017 plus 3-4 young(1999 and 2000)players that can step in right away. However they have to go for quality above quantity. They have done too much stockpiling of 5th and 6th round picks the last few years looking for the next Garland that isn't coming...
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 29, 2016 9:11:41 GMT -4
When Hodge does his next list what are the chances that based solely on this weekend MacDonald is now a top 3 prospect? It's actually probably pretty reasonable when you consider the prospect Moncton has though. Also, if Moncton does trade away a few players like we all hope, who will replace them? Moncton doesn't have many prospects that aren't on the roster right now. If they had to bring up any forwards I would guess that Hudson, Chris Murphy and Brodie MacArthur would be the candidates. Did they add Bohemier to the protected list? He could be a possibility too I suppose. Not sure what they would do if they had to bring up a defenceman. Bring back Bornstein? The only dmen drafted last June who played in the pre-season were Massie and Matthew Templeman (13th round pick).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 9:41:37 GMT -4
I love discovering new leagues when looking up where our prospects our playing. Noah Massie's brother Dylan is suiting up for the Utah Outliers of the WSHL (Western States Hockey League). Some great team names in that league. www.eliteprospects.com/league_home.php?leagueid=101
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Post by interested on Nov 29, 2016 12:06:09 GMT -4
When Hodge does his next list what are the chances that based solely on this weekend MacDonald is now a top 3 prospect? It's actually probably pretty reasonable when you consider the prospect Moncton has though. Also, if Moncton does trade away a few players like we all hope, who will replace them? Moncton doesn't have many prospects that aren't on the roster right now. If they had to bring up any forwards I would guess that Hudson, Chris Murphy and Brodie MacArthur would be the candidates. Did they add Bohemier to the protected list? He could be a possibility too I suppose. Not sure what they would do if they had to bring up a defenceman. Bring back Bornstein? The only dmen drafted last June who played in the pre-season were Massie and Matthew Templeman (13th round pick). I expect Logan Johnston gets a look before Christmas.
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