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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 20, 2016 9:20:32 GMT -4
I don't think CB has ever really undertaken a search for a Coach since Pascal Vincent left. They always just hand the reins to an assistant ... the easy way out. Dumont wasn't an assistant. But he was of the Roux/Choules recycled Q coach mold. Hiring a top assistant from a solid team with a winning culture or a top coach from the midget ranks with an experienced GM over either would be the best case scenario for me. You can hire a coach from midget, but it can't be a guy that has the coach and GM hat, that's where you end up with "recycled" guys because a GM has to know the inner workings of the Q, which is different from just coaching.
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Post by Clubber Lang on Apr 20, 2016 9:34:26 GMT -4
How do you figure? What is the harm? I think they make take it and fire it in garbage, read and file it whatever but i am missing the harm then good? Do you mean they may keep him (Dumont)? No. I am saying 1 letter with misinformation coming from the "fans" can harm any attempt to get through to people who are dealing in business decisions and not emotional decisions. We have no idea about how the owners think or what the expectations were that they had. Trying to get a message through to people when you don't know their agenda and don't have all the same information they do(financial and personal) can be difficult and if not done properly really not help the cause any. Ok makes perfect sense... you have a good sense for sure JB and always back up what you say with logical and common sense. Thanks
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Post by eaglefan62 on Apr 20, 2016 10:06:05 GMT -4
They know the difference, they just choose to do nothing about it. I was told by a board member that they know the kids do not like Dumont and they do not like playing for him, good GM,not a good coach. Up to this point anyway, they have chosen to let it ride, they seem to be happy with mediocrity. As witnessed by the attendance numbers at the playoff games, the fans were solidly behind this team. Put a contender on the ice and the fans will come. Time for the Board to step up to the plate and do something.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 20, 2016 10:07:12 GMT -4
No. I am saying 1 letter with misinformation coming from the "fans" can harm any attempt to get through to people who are dealing in business decisions and not emotional decisions. We have no idea about how the owners think or what the expectations were that they had. Trying to get a message through to people when you don't know their agenda and don't have all the same information they do(financial and personal) can be difficult and if not done properly really not help the cause any. If I were to go through with it, it would simply be a representation of how a lot of knowledgeable fans (on here, as well as many other people I talk to), feel about the way this team is run. I would not try to bring up all kinds of different facts or scenarios he has run incorrectly over his tenure. I just have to wonder, if these guys who own the team don't know very much about hockey (as I've seen posted here recently), and they have smooth talking Dumont in their ear telling them why it's anybody's fault but his own that the team is losing and the arena is half full, do they really know the difference? I don't think there is much harm in a well worded letter addressing fan discontent on the part of a large portion of the loyal paying fan base. Agreed 100%. But it's the Cape Breton sheep mentality of follow the leader that worries me. Your 1 really good letter could result in 4 more awful letters that defeat the purpose. Actually keeping it off of here might be your best bet. Go about your business quietly and you might get somewhere with it.
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Post by hal on Apr 20, 2016 11:51:13 GMT -4
Whatever you choose to do with the Letter is "your" choice Kovy ! Johnny is right with what he is saying in keeping it off of here but "maybe" it would result in several more that just may be possibly even better than yours . To add to Johnny's thoughts in regards to the Boards Agenda ( Financial and Personal Info Aside ) I can "confirm this" .....a 2nd Round Exit will not be looked upon favourably ! They are aware of the Players Feelings and concerns of his Arrogance around C200 but lived with it because it is a "Results Driven Business"....now is 6 playoff Games and some pretty healthy attendance Playoff Numbers the Results Desired ?..................they weren't Originally !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 13:34:00 GMT -4
I wonder if Gardiner MacDougall from UNB would have any interest in coming here. He's produced results there and lots of good things are said about it.
If he came in as a coach only, and kept Dumont in position as the GM - it could work.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 20, 2016 13:42:15 GMT -4
I wonder if Gardiner MacDougall from UNB would have any interest in coming here. He's produced results there and lots of good things are said about it. If he came in as a coach only, and kept Dumont in position as the GM - it could work. Dumont has to go. Moving him into a different role won't work. He's the guy who just built this team. After years were put into this rebuild he got 1 playoff series win out of it. Went into the playoffs with no depth on the blueline and lots of offensive forwards. Why would we want to keep him even as GM? It's all or none from where I sit. You're not bringing him back in 1 role or the other and setting him up to fail again. Putting him charge of a 2nd rebuild starts to play with the long term health of the franchise. Fans are not happy. Ticket buyers are wondering who will be in charge moving forward. And Gardiner MacDougall isn't leaving UNB to come here without way more control then simply head coach. It'd take money and power. We can give him 1, but would we give him the other? Doubtful.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 20, 2016 14:28:17 GMT -4
I wonder if Gardiner MacDougall from UNB would have any interest in coming here. He's produced results there and lots of good things are said about it. If he came in as a coach only, and kept Dumont in position as the GM - it could work. I don't think Gardiner would come for anything less than full control. Plus ... he probably has it very good at UNB ... has developed a highly reputable program that almost recruits for itself now. He has won several National Championships now and has been runnerup a few times. I think his next move, if he ever moves on, will be to a pro career ... he doesn't need the Q to get him there.
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Post by looneytunes on Apr 20, 2016 15:38:29 GMT -4
Thats it , cut him loose!
His salary is up so that's all she wrote! He should be finished. None of his teams played good defensively. Hell, Leveille played better at 18 than 19. All of his goalies were lit up. Truth be told, they have permanent skin damage on the bag of their necks to this day from the goal light going off. Let's not even go into the assets used to attempt to solidify the crease when the big issue was always defence. The third tier D men brought in at Xmas played better than our 2nd pairing + Leveille on most nights. Guys get here and slowly regress.
Then you also get the fiasco of a lot of players sending in trade requests in the 2014-2015 season. Nobody wants that again.
But right, the powers that be would need to put effort in at finding a new guy.
...... Look's like we are stuck with Dumont.
A lot of fans are going to indeed be voting with their wallets. To look at this, their is nothign wrong with a 2nd round loss. What the problem is that this team was at the end of the cycle ( not that the owners understand that, just look at the Memorial Cup bid.).
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Post by pivotman95 on Apr 20, 2016 18:33:38 GMT -4
Game 7 of round 2, 7th place overall, 38-24-5-1 finish. Underachieving regular season and with arguably the most potent offense in the league, and underachieving playoffs. Does ownership FINALLY pull the pin on Dumont, or do they continue to accept terrible coaching ruining the team? Thoughts? hate how they keep us wateing like this is he gone or not ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 18:41:32 GMT -4
Game 7 of round 2, 7th place overall, 38-24-5-1 finish. Underachieving regular season and with arguably the most potent offense in the league, and underachieving playoffs. Does ownership FINALLY pull the pin on Dumont, or do they continue to accept terrible coaching ruining the team? Thoughts? hate how they keep us wateing like this is he gone or not ? It's been less than 24 hours
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Post by pivotman95 on Apr 20, 2016 18:54:13 GMT -4
hate how they keep us wateing like this is he gone or not ? It's been less than 24 hours when do you think we will know ?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 20, 2016 18:55:06 GMT -4
It's been less than 24 hours when do you think we will know ? 19 days
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Post by pivotman95 on Apr 20, 2016 18:59:50 GMT -4
when do you think we will know ? 19 days why?
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Post by auntjude on Apr 20, 2016 19:00:23 GMT -4
Instead of a letter composed by one fan, why not have a petition signed by all the disgruntled fans and presented to the Board? It's happy fans that give them their bread and butter.
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