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Post by caperguy on Apr 26, 2016 15:46:53 GMT -4
The first half of this season was horrible as well. Not as bad as 2014-2015 but still a big underachievement. Guys were playing over their heads(Fournier on the top line for so long...) but still. according to a good source Dummont had a meeting with all of the billit parents and sed to them he is worried about his job. hope that is true. Probably just buttering them up so they'll ask management to keep him. Something's telling me he'll return next year...we DID make the second round game 7! I hope there's change and a new direction, but financially they probably did, as someone else pointed out, pretty good without making it to the final. And if you have casual fans running the show, rather than hockey people, ....
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Post by hal on Apr 26, 2016 15:53:56 GMT -4
.......Back as GM .......out as Coach ? ......Will that keep the Fans Happy ? If that in fact happens , please don't let it be Izzard with an Internal Promotion .
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Post by emerz on Apr 26, 2016 16:01:18 GMT -4
.......Back as GM .......out as Coach ? ......Will that keep the Fans Happy ? If that in fact happens , please don't let it be Izzard with an Internal Promotion . I honestly don't mind Dumont as a GM, especially his trading, I always felt that he is too prideful to give up the coaching side though, he almost never puts any blame on his coaching methods.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2016 16:03:36 GMT -4
.......Back as GM .......out as Coach ? ......Will that keep the Fans Happy ? If that in fact happens , please don't let it be Izzard with an Internal Promotion . Can't believe that would even be an option. For every 1 good there was a bad as GM. Not giving him both titles is already a demotion, if anything he should be removed as GM because that's the more important role right now and he proved he can't properly build a team already so why let him begin building the next one? That's insane.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2016 16:06:01 GMT -4
.......Back as GM .......out as Coach ? ......Will that keep the Fans Happy ? If that in fact happens , please don't let it be Izzard with an Internal Promotion . I honestly don't mind Dumont as a GM, especially his trading, I always felt that he is too prideful to give up the coaching side though, he almost never puts any blame on his coaching methods. Going into the playoffs with the depth he did this year means nobody should ever let him manage a team again in my opinion. Look at how many assets he spent on this team then look at the depth he had left for the playoff run. We overpaid for almost every single asset. Developed almost nothing internally. And at the end didn't have the depth to beat the 1 good, but not great, team we played.
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Post by emerz on Apr 26, 2016 16:24:22 GMT -4
I honestly don't mind Dumont as a GM, especially his trading, I always felt that he is too prideful to give up the coaching side though, he almost never puts any blame on his coaching methods. Going into the playoffs with the depth he did this year means nobody should ever let him manage a team again in my opinion. Look at how many assets he spent on this team then look at the depth he had left for the playoff run. We overpaid for almost every single asset. Developed almost nothing internally. And at the end didn't have the depth to beat the 1 good, but not great, team we played. So by depth you are referring to the defensive depth right? because the forward group was very deep they just.. all went cold, for whatever reason during the SJ series, got shut down by a structured team. Trade deadline: Fiore for Deschamps... do I need to write anything about this? Carozza for Tower 2nd/3rd -- Overpayment but provided Carozza comes back as a 20 next year I don't see why he can't easily recoup at least half that cost. Bison for a 7th.. was our 2nd best defenseman in the playoffs, showed huge developmental strides. Scottie Green for a 10th.. nothing trade really Joly for 1st 2017, 2nd 2016 and Beaudin - Provided we don't know anything more about this trade but as it stands, he traded a 1st and Beaudin for 45 goals throughout the year and probably our best playoff performer. ---- However he did absolutely and I mean absolutely fail at the draft, by not acquiring the players he needed earlier, from the trade deadline to the playoffs, the Eagles I believe played roughly .720 hockey and if they had this team to start the year, and gelled together for longer I believe they could still be playing right now. Playing over half the season with a top 6 littered with Fournier, Sorrentino, Marniteau, Hoyt some nights was a disaster considering how much time Bishop missed, how long the russians were gone for, we basically at one point we're playing with like one "first line" and 3 3rd lines and losing constantly, everyone was turning on the players because they weren't being put in a position to succeed. He also didn't go all in, didn't acquire another defender after shipping out Deschamps and paid for 2 players who should be back next year. I think, and this could just be my opinion, if you look at the team this year, with the addition of another defender (Fitzgerald or someone) and a competent coach they had the talent on the roster to win it all, but for reasons unknown they didn't seem motivated and a lot of guys regressed under Dumonts coaching (Leveille, Gosselin.. went from great puck moving defenseman to being a liability most nights..especially Gosselin whos point totals were cut in half from 19>20, how often does that happen?). You don't think if Flynn was coaching this team we'd be still playing right now? It's tough because I think about it and can't believe such a talented team was wasted, especially losing to Saint John without Joseph AND Marsh while we were relatively speaking healthy and dominated game 1.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2016 16:38:57 GMT -4
Going into the playoffs with the depth he did this year means nobody should ever let him manage a team again in my opinion. Look at how many assets he spent on this team then look at the depth he had left for the playoff run. We overpaid for almost every single asset. Developed almost nothing internally. And at the end didn't have the depth to beat the 1 good, but not great, team we played. So by depth you are referring to the defensive depth right? because the forward group was very deep they just.. all went cold, for whatever reason during the SJ series, got shut down by a structured team. Trade deadline: Fiore for Deschamps... do I need to write anything about this? Carozza for Tower 2nd/3rd -- Overpayment but provided Carozza comes back as a 20 next year I don't see why he can't easily recoup at least half that cost. Bison for a 7th.. was our 2nd best defenseman in the playoffs, showed huge developmental strides. Scottie Green for a 10th.. nothing trade really Joly for 1st 2017, 2nd 2016 and Beaudin - Provided we don't know anything more about this trade but as it stands, he traded a 1st and Beaudin for 45 goals throughout the year and probably our best playoff performer. ---- However he did absolutely and I mean absolutely fail at the draft, by not acquiring the players he needed earlier, from the trade deadline to the playoffs, the Eagles I believe played roughly .720 hockey and if they had this team to start the year, and gelled together for longer I believe they could still be playing right now. Playing over half the season with a top 6 littered with Fournier, Sorrentino, Marniteau, Hoyt some nights was a disaster considering how much time Bishop missed, how long the russians were gone for, we basically at one point we're playing with like one "first line" and 3 3rd lines and losing constantly, everyone was turning on the players because they weren't being put in a position to succeed. He also didn't go all in, didn't acquire another defender after shipping out Deschamps and paid for 2 players who should be back next year. I think, and this could just be my opinion, if you look at the team this year, with the addition of another defender (Fitzgerald or someone) and a competent coach they had the talent on the roster to win it all, but for reasons unknown they didn't seem motivated and a lot of guys regressed under Dumonts coaching (Leveille especially). You don't think if Flynn was coaching this team we'd be still playing right now? It's tough because I think about it and can't believe such a talented team was wasted, especially losing to Saint John without Joseph AND Marsh while we were relatively speaking healthy and dominated game 1. Defensive depth and goaltending depth. The forward depth was exactly what i'd expect from a contender. Goaltending depth has been an issue here since he got here and it was never addressed, we just kept trying to find different #1's and went through so many before settling on Belanger that upgrading Belanger or paying for a decent backup who could help shoulder the load next year never seemed like a real option. McCallum seemed fine and a good character guy on the bench but isn't a realistic option moving forward. The Bisson injury badly exposed our defensive depth and how thin we really were. Our 3rd pair played over their heads for us in those last few games vs SJ but simply were not skilled enough for that kind of caliber at this level. I think you and I are on the same page in terms of where we went wrong. Those reasons didn't just sneak up on us though, the defensive depth was the reason I pretty much predicted the 2nd round exit on deadline day when it was obvious we were not bringing in another veteran top 4 D. They're the same reasons why the thought of giving the same man any responsibility, whether it be either coach or GM, should come with ownership knowing they'll be punished financially by fans who are not going to sit through another 3 year period like the one that just ended as there was no pay off for those fans and sponsors who stuck with Dumont and his plan.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Apr 26, 2016 17:42:00 GMT -4
All valid points.
If he moved bowers at the draft I think he would have had much more wiggle room come deadline. The top d went quickly.
I do respect him not emptying the cupboards like Mario.
I can't see the brass having separate people as gm/coach. Too cheap to do that imo.
He's either both or gone. When will we know is the question.
Would love to see a fresh face with a midget background. Really tired of the recycled guys.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 26, 2016 17:53:38 GMT -4
I wonder if Gardiner MacDougall from UNB would have any interest in coming here. He's produced results there and lots of good things are said about it. If he came in as a coach only, and kept Dumont in position as the GM - it could work. The thing with MacDougall is, at UNB he is the biggest fish in the pond, and recruiting is dollar$ and not draft picks plus convincing Quebec kids to play in CB. He would lose every advantage he has at UNB. It's like swapping the Dodgers for the A's in baseball terms.
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Post by hal on Apr 26, 2016 18:07:57 GMT -4
Well ...Time is of the Essence ! The Draft is 5 wks from Saturday is it not ? Getting the New Management Team / Head Coach in here soon would be essential ....would it not ?
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Post by Kovalchuk2000 on Apr 26, 2016 18:21:21 GMT -4
In my mind one of his biggest faults as GM was not trading away Gosselin for either an actual impact 20 yo D like Matt Murphy(I think a certain team did choose that route)or for a solid 2 way D like Fitzgerald. Gosselin was a liability offensively and defensively all year and got worse in the playoffs. The fact that he was 20 makes it so much worse.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Apr 26, 2016 21:07:26 GMT -4
Hopefully we will be hearing something pretty soon. Was in Moncton tonight and caught the Moncton/Ryoun-Noranda game, what a dominant game by the Huskies. What a pleasure to watch a well-coached team, no wonder they were the dominant team in the league all year, they are very strong in every facet of the game.
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Post by bowne1987 on Apr 27, 2016 9:06:50 GMT -4
Who do u guys think will be the best teams next year in the league?
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Post by hal on Apr 27, 2016 9:43:32 GMT -4
Who do u guys think will be the best teams next year in the league? Saint John ......hands down .They will get a real good goalie and as long as Chabot doesn't,t stick .....they should cruise . Bathurst will be the next best Maritime team I think . As far as Quebec teams go , I believe Gatineau and Val Dor have a lot of returning players .
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Post by bois on Apr 27, 2016 9:56:57 GMT -4
Rouyn has most of their team returning as well... they should be very strong again next year
I don't think Val Dor and Gatineau will be as strong as they were this year
but until the draft nobody can make predictions with any accuracy
oh Blainville are adding Jeremy Roy and Allain..... gotta figure they are going all in
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