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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 4, 2018 13:04:00 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 4, 2018 13:44:59 GMT -4
Everyone agrees the #1 need is pretty much unattainable via trade...a #1 minute eating top end defencemen. For a guy like Nylander you're getting a 2nd pairing guy of similar age with a similar contract. Similar to Edmonton's Hall for Larsson trade that looks awful right now. You can likely acquire 2nd pairing pending UFA's for draft picks at the deadline. That is the more likely option. Until then? There's enough depth to see who fits where, give a Dermott a shot at playing a bit more and earning some trust that allows a Hainsey to play less, and see what you have in Ozhiganov/Holl/Marincin for bottom pairing minutes. It's a long season and a lot of the D are either very young or lacking NHL experience. With a forward group that good might as well see what you have internally before blowing your spending power on short term assets or making a bigger mistake by giving up on a Nylander for someone who isn't the #1 need.
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Post by caper93 on Oct 4, 2018 13:56:22 GMT -4
I wish people would stop worrying about our defense. They are very solid. With the amount of goals we will be scoring we don’t need a superstar d-man.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 4, 2018 14:17:41 GMT -4
I wish people would stop worrying about our defense. They are very solid. With the amount of goals we will be scoring we don’t need a superstar d-man. The problem is, at playoff time other teams have as much scoring(TB Bos Was etc) so you need to have a defensive group that is as good as theirs.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 4, 2018 15:22:00 GMT -4
I wish people would stop worrying about our defense. They are very solid. With the amount of goals we will be scoring we don’t need a superstar d-man. The problem is, at playoff time other teams have as much scoring(TB Bos Was etc) so you need to have a defensive group that is as good as theirs. Washington just won a Cup with a top 4 that you would have said needing upgrading exactly 12 months ago when they were entering a season minus Shattenkirk, Alzner, and Schmidt and entered the playoffs with a 2nd pairing of Orlov/Kempny. And that came after Pittsburgh won a Cup with Hainsey and Dumoulin as a top pairing. Playoffs aren't about having the best anything on paper. We learn that every single Spring. Especially recently as people poke holes in every single contender yet at the end of it someone has to win and in a Cap system the perfect team just doesn't exist and the ones people think come closest tend to not even make the Finals.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 4, 2018 15:50:46 GMT -4
The problem is, at playoff time other teams have as much scoring(TB Bos Was etc) so you need to have a defensive group that is as good as theirs. Washington just won a Cup with a top 4 that you would have said needing upgrading exactly 12 months ago when they were entering a season minus Shattenkirk, Alzner, and Schmidt and entered the playoffs with a 2nd pairing of Orlov/Kempny. And that came after Pittsburgh won a Cup with Hainsey and Dumoulin as a top pairing. Playoffs aren't about having the best anything on paper. We learn that every single Spring. Especially recently as people poke holes in every single contender yet at the end of it someone has to win and in a Cap system the perfect team just doesn't exist and the ones people think come closest tend to not even make the Finals. If Toronto had Carlson, maybe they could do the same. Washington also had a lot forwards who play a strong defensive game. For Toronto the defense needs an upgrade but also a lot of forwards are one way guys.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 4, 2018 16:00:54 GMT -4
Washington just won a Cup with a top 4 that you would have said needing upgrading exactly 12 months ago when they were entering a season minus Shattenkirk, Alzner, and Schmidt and entered the playoffs with a 2nd pairing of Orlov/Kempny. And that came after Pittsburgh won a Cup with Hainsey and Dumoulin as a top pairing. Playoffs aren't about having the best anything on paper. We learn that every single Spring. Especially recently as people poke holes in every single contender yet at the end of it someone has to win and in a Cap system the perfect team just doesn't exist and the ones people think come closest tend to not even make the Finals. If Toronto had Carlson, maybe they could do the same. Washington also had a lot forwards who play a strong defensive game. For Toronto the defense needs an upgrade but also a lot of forwards are one way guys. Before last season Carlson wasn't what you consider him to be now. Rielly could still have another big step forward to make to put him at that level. And nobody ever said Washington's forwards were star 2 way guys. Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Burakovsky, Oshie were never considered those players...until they won. Toronto has a lot of youth playing huge minutes and still learning the defensive side in Matthews and Marner but also have vets like Kadri, Hyman, Brown who play at both ends. Push Rielly into 60 point territory and add another season of experience to Matthews and Marner and is Toronto really that far off from where Washington was with an addition or 2 along the way? It seems pretty similar considering what Tavares can do and the fact Nylander hasn't even been used in the discussion. Would I put money on Toronto over Tampa in a series? Probably not. Mainly due to the experience Tampa has as a group. But they're not unbeatable if Toronto is healthy and can roll Matthews/Tavares/Kadri down the middle for 7 games.
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Post by caper93 on Oct 5, 2018 0:04:01 GMT -4
If Toronto had Carlson, maybe they could do the same. Washington also had a lot forwards who play a strong defensive game. For Toronto the defense needs an upgrade but also a lot of forwards are one way guys. Before last season Carlson wasn't what you consider him to be now. Rielly could still have another big step forward to make to put him at that level. And nobody ever said Washington's forwards were star 2 way guys. Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Burakovsky, Oshie were never considered those players...until they won. Toronto has a lot of youth playing huge minutes and still learning the defensive side in Matthews and Marner but also have vets like Kadri, Hyman, Brown who play at both ends. Push Rielly into 60 point territory and add another season of experience to Matthews and Marner and is Toronto really that far off from where Washington was with an addition or 2 along the way? It seems pretty similar considering what Tavares can do and the fact Nylander hasn't even been used in the discussion. Would I put money on Toronto over Tampa in a series? Probably not. Mainly due to the experience Tampa has as a group. But they're not unbeatable if Toronto is healthy and can roll Matthews/Tavares/Kadri down the middle for 7 games. Unless tb adds drastically to there current roster we would sweep them in a series. Our forward depth is the best in the league. Our defense is on par with tb and our goaltending is better.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 5, 2018 7:03:35 GMT -4
Before last season Carlson wasn't what you consider him to be now. Rielly could still have another big step forward to make to put him at that level. And nobody ever said Washington's forwards were star 2 way guys. Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Burakovsky, Oshie were never considered those players...until they won. Toronto has a lot of youth playing huge minutes and still learning the defensive side in Matthews and Marner but also have vets like Kadri, Hyman, Brown who play at both ends. Push Rielly into 60 point territory and add another season of experience to Matthews and Marner and is Toronto really that far off from where Washington was with an addition or 2 along the way? It seems pretty similar considering what Tavares can do and the fact Nylander hasn't even been used in the discussion. Would I put money on Toronto over Tampa in a series? Probably not. Mainly due to the experience Tampa has as a group. But they're not unbeatable if Toronto is healthy and can roll Matthews/Tavares/Kadri down the middle for 7 games. Unless tb adds drastically to there current roster we would sweep them in a series. Our forward depth is the best in the league. Our defense is on par with tb and our goaltending is better. Your defense is nowhere near TB, you have no Hedman, discussion ends there. If anything TB has more depth up front, maybe it's even if some guys in Toronto step up and Nylander returns, but not the case right now.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 5, 2018 9:06:33 GMT -4
Before last season Carlson wasn't what you consider him to be now. Rielly could still have another big step forward to make to put him at that level. And nobody ever said Washington's forwards were star 2 way guys. Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Burakovsky, Oshie were never considered those players...until they won. Toronto has a lot of youth playing huge minutes and still learning the defensive side in Matthews and Marner but also have vets like Kadri, Hyman, Brown who play at both ends. Push Rielly into 60 point territory and add another season of experience to Matthews and Marner and is Toronto really that far off from where Washington was with an addition or 2 along the way? It seems pretty similar considering what Tavares can do and the fact Nylander hasn't even been used in the discussion. Would I put money on Toronto over Tampa in a series? Probably not. Mainly due to the experience Tampa has as a group. But they're not unbeatable if Toronto is healthy and can roll Matthews/Tavares/Kadri down the middle for 7 games. Unless tb adds drastically to there current roster we would sweep them in a series. Our forward depth is the best in the league. Our defense is on par with tb and our goaltending is better. TB has as much forward depth if not more. And their goaltending is better. Maybe not by much...but it is.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Oct 6, 2018 20:29:36 GMT -4
Before last season Carlson wasn't what you consider him to be now. Rielly could still have another big step forward to make to put him at that level. And nobody ever said Washington's forwards were star 2 way guys. Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Burakovsky, Oshie were never considered those players...until they won. Toronto has a lot of youth playing huge minutes and still learning the defensive side in Matthews and Marner but also have vets like Kadri, Hyman, Brown who play at both ends. Push Rielly into 60 point territory and add another season of experience to Matthews and Marner and is Toronto really that far off from where Washington was with an addition or 2 along the way? It seems pretty similar considering what Tavares can do and the fact Nylander hasn't even been used in the discussion. Would I put money on Toronto over Tampa in a series? Probably not. Mainly due to the experience Tampa has as a group. But they're not unbeatable if Toronto is healthy and can roll Matthews/Tavares/Kadri down the middle for 7 games. Unless tb adds drastically to there current roster we would sweep them in a series. Our forward depth is the best in the league. Our defense is on par with tb and our goaltending is better. What drugs are you on? Washington And Pittsburgh’s depth are ahead of Toronto’s by a good margin. Unless you improve you’re d you’re not getting by the second round. Take a reality pill, defence wins cups, and you have none.(you’re losing to Ottawa 😂)
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Post by caper93 on Oct 7, 2018 13:46:07 GMT -4
Tough game lastnight . Outplayed them all game but didn’t get the results. Team looks really good. Defense is so much better than last year
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 15:57:08 GMT -4
Tough game lastnight . Outplayed them all game but didn’t get the results. Team looks really good. Defense is so much better than last year Lol! Defence was and still is an issue...BUT they have the assets to make trades and plug in some vets with the young guys and get better...no panic button needed.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Oct 7, 2018 19:49:54 GMT -4
Tough game lastnight . Outplayed them all game but didn’t get the results. Team looks really good. Defense is so much better than last year Here’s what you fail to believe. They have NO defense. You can’t build around jake and Morgan and expect you’re goalie to bail you out every night. The offense won’t always be there like you believe. This team is at least two top 4 d/ one year away from even thinking about a cup final.
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Post by caper93 on Oct 7, 2018 19:56:16 GMT -4
Tough game lastnight . Outplayed them all game but didn’t get the results. Team looks really good. Defense is so much better than last year Here’s what you fail to believe. They have NO defense. You can’t build around jake and Morgan and expect you’re goalie to bail you out every night. The offense won’t always be there like you believe. This team is at least two top 4 d/ one year away from even thinking about a cup final. Maybe you forgot we picked up John tavaras! Our defense is more than adequate. Very underrated.
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