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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 11, 2021 15:29:31 GMT -4
He became a weak spot in the lineup ... and easy out. I think he needs to get his head straight and he is better off doing that away from the microscope of Boston. doesn't matter trading established MLB'ers for no namers.... just not the Red Sox way... but apparently now it is TB did that in winning AL east titles. Bloom came in and they had stars but no depth on the roster or upper minors. They are adding prospect depth and adding pieces to the roster. They are getting 3 PTN, so nobody knows if they are top prospects or not. |
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Post by hal on Feb 11, 2021 15:52:31 GMT -4
Apparently Liverpool of the EPL has seen their Salaries rise even during a Pandemic . It could be a case of John Henry drawing a line and now it's a Robbing Peter to Pay Paul Scenario .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 11, 2021 16:45:39 GMT -4
Apparently Liverpool of the EPL has seen their Salaries rise even during a Pandemic . It could be a case of John Henry drawing a line and now it's a Robbing Peter to Pay Paul Scenario . It has nothing to do with cash flow, they are spending to the soft cap. |
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Post by bois on Feb 12, 2021 10:58:50 GMT -4
doesn't matter trading established MLB'ers for no namers.... just not the Red Sox way... but apparently now it is TB did that in winning AL east titles. Bloom came in and they had stars but no depth on the roster or upper minors. They are adding prospect depth and adding pieces to the roster. They are getting 3 PTN, so nobody knows if they are top prospects or not. whatever you say bud keep licking up that kool aid how many championships did Bloom architect? oh yeah thats right zero this ain't the red sox i became accustomed to... it's the red sox i grew up with ..... and they were frankly more often than not terrible... i don't like it |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 12, 2021 11:34:00 GMT -4
TB did that in winning AL east titles. Bloom came in and they had stars but no depth on the roster or upper minors. They are adding prospect depth and adding pieces to the roster. They are getting 3 PTN, so nobody knows if they are top prospects or not. whatever you say bud keep licking up that kool aid how many championships did Bloom architect? oh yeah thats right zero this ain't the red sox i became accustomed to... it's the red sox i grew up with ..... and they were frankly more often than not terrible... i don't like it He won division titles with less than 25% of the payroll NYY and Boston had, he played a big part in building the 2020 TB Al Championship team. Dombrowski drained the farm system with win now moves, they have no choice but to rebuild it, they have no chance to win with just free agents. It's really not that complicated. Even the big money teams that win have cheap homegrown talent playing key roles. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 17, 2021 14:26:04 GMT -4
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 17, 2021 14:55:39 GMT -4
TB did that in winning AL east titles. Bloom came in and they had stars but no depth on the roster or upper minors. They are adding prospect depth and adding pieces to the roster. They are getting 3 PTN, so nobody knows if they are top prospects or not. whatever you say bud keep licking up that kool aid how many championships did Bloom architect? oh yeah thats right zero this ain't the red sox i became accustomed to... it's the red sox i grew up with ..... and they were frankly more often than not terrible... i don't like it We had a very successful run since about 2003 ... four championships in about 14 years. But those GMs spent assets to win at the expense of the "future", with the blessing of the owners. There is no good reason to spend big assets on FA players when you don't have the horses to win. So now we've reached the future that we were talking about sacrificing and its time to rebuild the system. I know you know all of this, but your words seem to suggest different. Bloom's job is to rebuild the system. He may not get the opportunity to enjoy a championship from the GM seat, but his fingerprints will be all over it (assuming we win again). This team has the money to win when it needs to spend it, but we also need the assets in place to make the trades that you need to make to put you over the top. With the Flux that all of pro sports is in right now because of COVID, last year and this year are the best time to step back and do what we are doing. They are wasted seasons as it is. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 17, 2021 14:59:19 GMT -4
whatever you say bud keep licking up that kool aid how many championships did Bloom architect? oh yeah thats right zero this ain't the red sox i became accustomed to... it's the red sox i grew up with ..... and they were frankly more often than not terrible... i don't like it We had a very successful run since about 2003 ... four championships in about 14 years. But those GMs spent assets to win at the expense of the "future", with the blessing of the owners. There is no good reason to spend big assets on FA players when you don't have the horses to win. So now we've reached the future that we were talking about sacrificing and its time to rebuild the system. I know you know all of this, but your words seem to suggest different. Bloom's job is to rebuild the system. He may not get the opportunity to enjoy a championship from the GM seat, but his fingerprints will be all over it (assuming we win again). This team has the money to win when it needs to spend it, but we also need the assets in place to make the trades that you need to make to put you over the top. With the Flux that all of pro sports is in right now because of COVID, last year and this year are the best time to step back and do what we are doing. They are wasted seasons as it is. That makes a ton of sense. with Rodriguez and Sale injured last year, no way in hell could they realistically compete. That being said, that pitching staff was a mess, especially the starters. |
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 17, 2021 15:06:47 GMT -4
We had a very successful run since about 2003 ... four championships in about 14 years. But those GMs spent assets to win at the expense of the "future", with the blessing of the owners. There is no good reason to spend big assets on FA players when you don't have the horses to win. So now we've reached the future that we were talking about sacrificing and its time to rebuild the system. I know you know all of this, but your words seem to suggest different. Bloom's job is to rebuild the system. He may not get the opportunity to enjoy a championship from the GM seat, but his fingerprints will be all over it (assuming we win again). This team has the money to win when it needs to spend it, but we also need the assets in place to make the trades that you need to make to put you over the top. With the Flux that all of pro sports is in right now because of COVID, last year and this year are the best time to step back and do what we are doing. They are wasted seasons as it is. That makes a ton of sense. with Rodriguez and sale injured last year, no way in hell could they realistically compete. That being said, that pitching staff was a mess, especially the starters. I am hearing that Rodriguez is on schedule for this season, which I assume means he is ready to pitch like everybody else coming to camp. I haven't heard anything about Sale. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 17, 2021 16:05:48 GMT -4
That makes a ton of sense. with Rodriguez and sale injured last year, no way in hell could they realistically compete. That being said, that pitching staff was a mess, especially the starters. I am hearing that Rodriguez is on schedule for this season, which I assume means he is ready to pitch like everybody else coming to camp. I haven't heard anything about Sale. Sale they were talking about being ready in May at some point. E.Rod Eovaldi Perez Richards plus Houck, Pivetta or Seabold should start. That's much better than at any point in 2020. then you add Sale. |
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Post by bois on Feb 18, 2021 9:06:50 GMT -4
i'm not arguing last year... i fully agree it was a writeoff and the best time to have such a rotten team because of short season and covid
and i'm not advocating spending foolishly on free agents when you aren't in position to contend
but i don't agree with nickel and diming the big league club when you are a big market which the Sox are..... and they rake in big dollars off the backs of their extremely loyal diehard followers
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 18, 2021 9:28:35 GMT -4
i'm not arguing last year... i fully agree it was a writeoff and the best time to have such a rotten team because of short season and covid and i'm not advocating spending foolishly on free agents when you aren't in position to contend but i don't agree with nickel and diming the big league club when you are a big market which the Sox are..... and they rake in big dollars off the backs of their extremely loyal diehard followers How are they nickle and diming? They are just under the Luxury Tax cap(205M), 2nd only to the Dodgers( www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/When you're retooling, it makes no sense to be above, you end up paying up to 100% tax plus at certain thresholds it costs draft picks and International signing pool money. The big markets go over for 2-3 years then back under to "reset" the penalties. I would be pissed off if I was a fan of a team owner taking in the money from big market teams and pocketing it. Pittsburgh Cleveland Baltimore Miami etc. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 18, 2021 10:05:30 GMT -4
i'm not arguing last year... i fully agree it was a writeoff and the best time to have such a rotten team because of short season and covid and i'm not advocating spending foolishly on free agents when you aren't in position to contend but i don't agree with nickel and diming the big league club when you are a big market which the Sox are..... and they rake in big dollars off the backs of their extremely loyal diehard followers The system significantly benefits them the more they bottom out though. Added draft picks, international spending money, ability to hoard cash and give it to the kids you're developing or the stars you trade them for. There's very little upside to spending a ton to finish in the middle for a team like Boston and it would only hurt them in years 3-5 from now. This is where the NHL's cap minimum saves the league and markets embarrassment. Teams like Ottawa basically have to have guys like Matt Murray, Dadonov, Stepan, Anisimov to reach the floor. Pre-cap this Ottawa team would have a $40 mil payroll. And have maybe 1 of those 4 veterans. But where MLB teams control their own spending a Boston can easily say lets not spend an extra $50 mil this year and wait until the winter of 2023 to spend it and get better return on the investment. |
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 18, 2021 14:31:24 GMT -4
i'm not arguing last year... i fully agree it was a writeoff and the best time to have such a rotten team because of short season and covid and i'm not advocating spending foolishly on free agents when you aren't in position to contend but i don't agree with nickel and diming the big league club when you are a big market which the Sox are..... and they rake in big dollars off the backs of their extremely loyal diehard followers Are they raking in big dollars though when you can't sell any tickets ? I know they have lucrative TV deals. But if they aren't selling tickets how are they raking "in big dollars off the backs of their extremely loyal diehard followers". |
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Post by bois on Feb 18, 2021 14:42:12 GMT -4
i'm not arguing last year... i fully agree it was a writeoff and the best time to have such a rotten team because of short season and covid and i'm not advocating spending foolishly on free agents when you aren't in position to contend but i don't agree with nickel and diming the big league club when you are a big market which the Sox are..... and they rake in big dollars off the backs of their extremely loyal diehard followers Are they raking in big dollars though when you can't sell any tickets ? I know they have lucrative TV deals. But if they aren't selling tickets how are they raking "in big dollars off the backs of their extremely loyal diehard followers". they'll be selling tickets this year again also take a walk anywhere sometime and see how many Red Sox caps, jackets, jerseys, etc you see anyways nothing i say will change your mind nor will it have any impact on what they do..... but it's my opinion they should never be a bottom out type of team...... i'm just glad i was in the prime years of my baseball lovin life when they started to win titles and championships...... this current style rfeminds me of when i was a kid growing up and no matter what they did..... they couldn't win |
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