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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 22, 2020 6:13:11 GMT -4
How do people feel about.......How the RCMP handled this ? I personally feel like there were some Huge Mistakes made by them .....The whole thing is just sad and given the current situation ....I worry about the Families being able to get proper / adequate closure . The RCMP, with the info the general public and provincial government have, completely dropped the ball. They owe people an explanation for why the alert system was not used. If it was part of trying to find the guy, not alert him to the fact they were on to him, there's no reason for not saying so now. I honestly think the RCMP being a federal entity didn't even think of using the provincial alert system.
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Post by hal on Apr 22, 2020 7:22:34 GMT -4
Just tuned into CBC News Network ....and the more this unfolds and the heartbreaking video that is being televised , the RCMP are looking worse and worse . The divide between Federal ....Provincial and Municipal Governments has been around forever but it should not have played a part in this thing . Johnny .....I agree with you and hindsight is 20-20 but even if their thinking was not to alert this Madman that they were on to him ......he had to know that the fires alone were gonna bring First Responders to the scene including Law Enforcement and what's so wrong with letting "HIM" know ...he may have headed to the Highway asap or he may have ended it right then by doing himself in . I know this is pure speculation but if the alert had went out , at least some of those poor folks would have been behind locked doors and not out for a walk or running an errand to the Store . Given the State of everything going on today ....you can't help but to get emotional over all this .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 22, 2020 8:22:04 GMT -4
How do people feel about.......How the RCMP handled this ? I personally feel like there were some Huge Mistakes made by them .....The whole thing is just sad and given the current situation ....I worry about the Families being able to get proper / adequate closure . It's a really hard call to make until you know the timeline and what the police did. Under normal circumstances the multiple murders/fires on Porcepique Rd would have been it, how did he get from there to West Wentworth then to Debert, Shubenacadie and Enfield? I'm sure having a police car and uniform helped create a lot of confusion. They may have assumed that he killed himself at one of the fires. I think one mistake was going on Twitter with the message about the police car and not the Emergency Broadcast system.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 22, 2020 9:23:49 GMT -4
How do people feel about.......How the RCMP handled this ? I personally feel like there were some Huge Mistakes made by them .....The whole thing is just sad and given the current situation ....I worry about the Families being able to get proper / adequate closure . It's a really hard call to make until you know the timeline and what the police did. Under normal circumstances the multiple murders/fires on Porcepique Rd would have been it, how did he get from there to West Wentworth then to Debert, Shubenacadie and Enfield? I'm sure having a police car and uniform helped create a lot of confusion. They may have assumed that he killed himself at one of the fires. I think one mistake was going on Twitter with the message about the police car and not the Emergency Broadcast system. It's made even worse by the fact an Emergency alert about covid was sent out on Good Friday. So people know the system is there for that purpos. All provincial people who have been asked have said it's up to the RCMP to ask for it. The Premier seemed to learn about it the same way we all did on Sunday morning. I think we've all seen enough crime tv/movies to understand the idea behind not wanting the killer to know police are on his trail. But once they tweeted about it and went to social media they lost that argument and that alert should have been done using the Emergency Broadcast System that would have went right to the cell phone of every person in the area. There will be lots to learn from this disaster.
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Post by Mika on Apr 22, 2020 9:27:14 GMT -4
My sister used to go to Acadia, crazy to think if she was still there I likely would've been on that road with my parents that day to help her bring things home.
Hope everyone is doing ok during this.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 22, 2020 9:48:21 GMT -4
My sister used to go to Acadia, crazy to think if she was still there I likely would've been on that road with my parents that day to help her bring things home. Hope everyone is doing ok during this. Portapique...Acadia...Why would you be on that road? lol Do you mean Highway 102? I don't think he was just picking off people driving on the Highway, he had a few destinations in mind it would seem. I agree the the RCMP would APPEAR to have dropped the ball by not issuing an emergency alert. But we haven't heard the details yet and the timeline on how everything unfolded, so I will wait on that.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 22, 2020 10:08:59 GMT -4
My sister used to go to Acadia, crazy to think if she was still there I likely would've been on that road with my parents that day to help her bring things home. Hope everyone is doing ok during this. Portapique...Acadia...Why would you be on that road? lol Do you mean Highway 102? I don't think he was just picking off people driving on the Highway, he had a few destinations in mind it would seem. I agree the the RCMP would APPEAR to have dropped the ball by not issuing an emergency alert. But we haven't heard the details yet and the timeline on how everything unfolded, so I will wait on that. Yeah you know covid is giving them resource issues in trying to comb through those crime scenes. But I will say that the longer they wait to allow reporters to ask any questions the more people are going to continue to get worked up and questioning the emergency alert issue. Especially as the family of victims start asking those questions on national news broadcasts.
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Post by drunkbretthull on Apr 22, 2020 11:32:15 GMT -4
Just getting up now, first thing I see on my Facebook feed is video that has been turned over to the RCMP from Sunday morning at 10:55am.
It shows the gunman stopping in a parking lot in Millbrook stepping outside his fake cruiser and changing jackets.
There is a Millbrook RCMP detachment that is just meters away and he feels calm enough to be doing this.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 22, 2020 11:38:17 GMT -4
Just getting up now, first thing I see on my Facebook feed is video that has been turned over to the RCMP from Sunday morning at 10:55am. It shows the gunman stopping in a parking lot in Millbrook stepping outside his fake cruiser and changing jackets. There is a Millbrook RCMP detachment that is just meters away and he feels calm enough to be doing this. This is a sick sick dude. He seemed to have grievances with everybody around him.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 22, 2020 12:44:07 GMT -4
How do people feel about.......How the RCMP handled this ? I personally feel like there were some Huge Mistakes made by them .....The whole thing is just sad and given the current situation ....I worry about the Families being able to get proper / adequate closure . Well lets clarify that. When you say RCMP, I think you mean the RCMP command structure ... the brass. I don't think you mean the men and women who raced into the face of danger to try to stop this guy ... they were all a little too busy to send out an alert. I think somebody dropped the ball on sending out an alert. The Premier said staff were in place to issue an alert, but in this case the order would have to come from the RCMP, and it never came. The alert would have absolutely made a difference, depending on what time it was issued.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 22, 2020 12:56:04 GMT -4
It's a really hard call to make until you know the timeline and what the police did. Under normal circumstances the multiple murders/fires on Porcepique Rd would have been it, how did he get from there to West Wentworth then to Debert, Shubenacadie and Enfield? I'm sure having a police car and uniform helped create a lot of confusion. They may have assumed that he killed himself at one of the fires. I think one mistake was going on Twitter with the message about the police car and not the Emergency Broadcast system. It's made even worse by the fact an Emergency alert about covid was sent out on Good Friday. So people know the system is there for that purpos. All provincial people who have been asked have said it's up to the RCMP to ask for it. The Premier seemed to learn about it the same way we all did on Sunday morning. I think we've all seen enough crime tv/movies to understand the idea behind not wanting the killer to know police are on his trail. But once they tweeted about it and went to social media they lost that argument and that alert should have been done using the Emergency Broadcast System that would have went right to the cell phone of every person in the area. There will be lots to learn from this disaster. Well I think Twitter is a more discrete way of sending out messages ... you have to be looking at it to get the message. If this guy is busy killing people, driving, lighting fires, I doubt he is watching twitter very closely ... he is looking over his shoulder every other second. But with an emergency alert, your phone goes off and you look at it ... almost nobody can miss it when it comes in. I follow NS RCMP (and NB and PEI and NFLD) on Twitter and I was not aware of this ongoing event until about 9:00 am on Sunday. I went to bed about 10:30 the night before so missed the initial tweets. I think my first knowledge of this came from somebody sharing a tweet on Facebook ... so I didn't even see it on Twitter. So for me, tweeting about it wouldn't alert the shooter to what was going on so easily (he knew what was going one, but he'd be interested in what info was out there on him and his whereabouts) ... but an Emergency Alert would assuming he had his phone with him.
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Post by hal on Apr 22, 2020 13:41:34 GMT -4
It's made even worse by the fact an Emergency alert about covid was sent out on Good Friday. So people know the system is there for that purpos. All provincial people who have been asked have said it's up to the RCMP to ask for it. The Premier seemed to learn about it the same way we all did on Sunday morning. I think we've all seen enough crime tv/movies to understand the idea behind not wanting the killer to know police are on his trail. But once they tweeted about it and went to social media they lost that argument and that alert should have been done using the Emergency Broadcast System that would have went right to the cell phone of every person in the area. There will be lots to learn from this disaster. Well I think Twitter is a more discrete way of sending out messages ... you have to be looking at it to get the message. If this guy is busy killing people, driving, lighting fires, I doubt he is watching twitter very closely ... he is looking over his shoulder every other second. But with an emergency alert, your phone goes off and you look at it ... almost nobody can miss it when it comes in. I follow NS RCMP (and NB and PEI and NFLD) on Twitter and I was not aware of this ongoing event until about 9:00 am on Sunday. I went to bed about 10:30 the night before so missed the initial tweets. I think my first knowledge of this came from somebody sharing a tweet on Facebook ... so I didn't even see it on Twitter. So for me, tweeting about it wouldn't alert the shooter to what was going on so easily (he knew what was going one, but he'd be interested in what info was out there on him and his whereabouts) ... but an Emergency Alert would assuming he had his phone with him. ...........Rural Area ....Cottage Country ......maxed and relaxed life style .....Twitter ?......I just don't see it reaching out to these folks .....plus the first tweet was at 11:32 pm the next one wasn't until 6:02 am ....wtf ....I am sorry but it upsets me .
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 22, 2020 13:48:59 GMT -4
The effectiveness of the alert would have depended on how far along he was in his killing spree before anyone realized he was dressed as an RCMP too. If I am holed up in my house because of an active shooter, and an apparent RCMP vehicle pulls in the driveway and an apparent RCMP officer comes to my door - I probably assume he/she has something important to relay or ask me.
The timeline of who knew what and when will be important.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 22, 2020 14:01:40 GMT -4
The effectiveness of the alert would have depended on how far along he was in his killing spree before anyone realized he was dressed as an RCMP too. If I am holed up in my house because of an active shooter, and an apparent RCMP vehicle pulls in the driveway and an apparent RCMP officer comes to my door - I probably assume he/she has something important to relay or ask me. The timeline of who knew what and when will be important. Yeah, the fact that he was driving a RCMP lookalike vehicle is a big factor. I would rather see a comprehensive review and real findings than a quick and easy witch hunt. From the limited info we have, the public alert would have made more sense, but there may be another aspect. Part of it was not really knowing where he was, once he left Porquepique he ~apparently~ headed for Wentworth and for a long time the authorities had no idea that this fire/murder was related.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 22, 2020 15:19:02 GMT -4
It's made even worse by the fact an Emergency alert about covid was sent out on Good Friday. So people know the system is there for that purpos. All provincial people who have been asked have said it's up to the RCMP to ask for it. The Premier seemed to learn about it the same way we all did on Sunday morning. I think we've all seen enough crime tv/movies to understand the idea behind not wanting the killer to know police are on his trail. But once they tweeted about it and went to social media they lost that argument and that alert should have been done using the Emergency Broadcast System that would have went right to the cell phone of every person in the area. There will be lots to learn from this disaster. Well I think Twitter is a more discrete way of sending out messages ... you have to be looking at it to get the message. If this guy is busy killing people, driving, lighting fires, I doubt he is watching twitter very closely ... he is looking over his shoulder every other second. But with an emergency alert, your phone goes off and you look at it ... almost nobody can miss it when it comes in. I follow NS RCMP (and NB and PEI and NFLD) on Twitter and I was not aware of this ongoing event until about 9:00 am on Sunday. I went to bed about 10:30 the night before so missed the initial tweets. I think my first knowledge of this came from somebody sharing a tweet on Facebook ... so I didn't even see it on Twitter. So for me, tweeting about it wouldn't alert the shooter to what was going on so easily (he knew what was going one, but he'd be interested in what info was out there on him and his whereabouts) ... but an Emergency Alert would assuming he had his phone with him. I think the issue with tweeting is more in regards to it being a very rural area and the people you're trying to get the message to may not be twitter users or on any social media but may have a cell phone or get the alert on radio or tv if it's sent out.
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