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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 12:26:00 GMT -4
Stop reading partial sentences and read all of them. This is what I said: There's no shortage of articles out there pointing out MLB's declining popularity in the social media era. Talking about popularity ON social media and popularity IN the social media era are 2 drastically different statements. Like not even close to the same meaning. what do articles have to do with making money? The numbers show that baseball has tripled it's revenue in 15 or 16 years. that's the number that counts, not the amount of articles jack bauer read. Not 1 person has disputed any facts about making money. Maybe if you read more opinion you'd have a clue about what others are trying to have a conversation about. Clearly this is either out of your realm of understanding or there's some language barrier you can't get past as you keep proving you're not having the same conversation.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 17, 2020 12:26:44 GMT -4
I am a big baseball fan, and I'd have to say that it is my favourite sport to watch on TV ... but I am older. I can sit and watch a Redsox game from beginning to end, but being in the Atlantic Time zone, games often extend beyond midnight and that makes for a tougher workday the next day. I also love NFL but that is a much smaller investment in time to follow your favourite team ... but games conflict with Q hockey on sunday afternoons. Never been a basketball fan and still am not.
The big knock against baseball as a fan attending a game is the weather for one, in non-domed stadiums. So when you lay out say $80 US for a seat and have to sit in the rain and through rain delays, it becomes annoying. Further south you can be sitting out in the sun for 3.5 hrs in 100+ degree temps ... all summer. The games have no clock so you can never be sure when they'll end and 3.5 hours long is not uncommon ... and neither is 14 innings. Hockey and football typically take 2.5 hrs in the regular season and its pretty much the same each game, so you can count on that. Baseball used to be cheap to attend where you could get a bleacher seat for say $12 but the cost has gone up every year and now its no longer affordable for people to attend regularly. I never understood buying a season ticket for baseball, essentially committing to 81 home games, and being at the ball park every night for a 2 week home stand.
I buy the MLB online package every year and follow my Redsox almost every night through the season ... and it helps that my wife is also a fan, and there is nothing else on in the summer.
So I get it that "popularity" is waning as it is hard to make a full season commitment to a team. 162 games is a long season.
I lost interest in NHL hockey several years ago and they haven't won me back. Following the Q is plenty for me. But I'll probably check out some of the playoffs if they actually happen.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 12:28:16 GMT -4
Apologize to the rest for where this one ended up. There's a good conversation to be had if anyone is willing to open their mind beyond "the nice thing about baseball on TV is you can do other things, flick back and forth between games."
I think most understand the difference between revenue and popularity and how the 2 are not necessarily linked.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 12:35:02 GMT -4
I am a big baseball fan, and I'd have to say that it is my favourite sport to watch on TV ... but I am older. I can sit and watch a Redsox game from beginning to end, but being in the Atlantic Time zone, games often extend beyond midnight and that makes for a tougher workday the next day. I also love NFL but that is a much smaller investment in time to follow your favourite team ... but games conflict with Q hockey on sunday afternoons. Never been a basketball fan and still am not. The big knock against baseball as a fan attending a game is the weather for one, in non-domed stadiums. So when you lay out say $80 US for a seat and have to sit in the rain and through rain delays, it becomes annoying. Further south you can be sitting out in the sun for 3.5 hrs in 100+ degree temps ... all summer. The games have no clock so you can never be sure when they'll end and 3.5 hours long is not uncommon ... and neither is 14 innings. Hockey and football typically take 2.5 hrs in the regular season and its pretty much the same each game, so you can count on that. Baseball used to be cheap to attend where you could get a bleacher seat for say $12 but the cost has gone up every year and now its no longer affordable for people to attend regularly. I never understood buying a season ticket for baseball, essentially committing to 81 home games, and being at the ball park every night for a 2 week home stand. I buy the MLB online package every year and follow my Redsox almost every night through the season ... and it helps that my wife is also a fan, and there is nothing else on in the summer. So I get it that "popularity" is waning as it is hard to make a full season commitment to a team. 162 games is a long season. I lost interest in NHL hockey several years ago and they haven't won me back. Following the Q is plenty for me. But I'll probably check out some of the playoffs if they actually happen. I'm like you. I can sit down and watch an MLB game basically as I appreciate the talent but I also understand and admit the reasons why it hasn't caught on with a younger generation while a sport like the NBA has taken off. I don't think some fully understand where MLB was say 25 or 50 years ago in terms of importance to American culture and where it is now as it's starting to fall into 3rd place in many areas of the country where it was a sure fire #1 in almost all of them 50 years ago. And nobody is saying it will mean the sports death in 2025 or anything. But it's a bad sign for its future.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 17, 2020 13:36:26 GMT -4
I am a big baseball fan, and I'd have to say that it is my favourite sport to watch on TV ... but I am older. I can sit and watch a Redsox game from beginning to end, but being in the Atlantic Time zone, games often extend beyond midnight and that makes for a tougher workday the next day. I also love NFL but that is a much smaller investment in time to follow your favourite team ... but games conflict with Q hockey on sunday afternoons. Never been a basketball fan and still am not. The big knock against baseball as a fan attending a game is the weather for one, in non-domed stadiums. So when you lay out say $80 US for a seat and have to sit in the rain and through rain delays, it becomes annoying. Further south you can be sitting out in the sun for 3.5 hrs in 100+ degree temps ... all summer. The games have no clock so you can never be sure when they'll end and 3.5 hours long is not uncommon ... and neither is 14 innings. Hockey and football typically take 2.5 hrs in the regular season and its pretty much the same each game, so you can count on that. Baseball used to be cheap to attend where you could get a bleacher seat for say $12 but the cost has gone up every year and now its no longer affordable for people to attend regularly. I never understood buying a season ticket for baseball, essentially committing to 81 home games, and being at the ball park every night for a 2 week home stand. I buy the MLB online package every year and follow my Redsox almost every night through the season ... and it helps that my wife is also a fan, and there is nothing else on in the summer. So I get it that "popularity" is waning as it is hard to make a full season commitment to a team. 162 games is a long season. I lost interest in NHL hockey several years ago and they haven't won me back. Following the Q is plenty for me. But I'll probably check out some of the playoffs if they actually happen. I'm like you. I can sit down and watch an MLB game basically as I appreciate the talent but I also understand and admit the reasons why it hasn't caught on with a younger generation while a sport like the NBA has taken off. I don't think some fully understand where MLB was say 25 or 50 years ago in terms of importance to American culture and where it is now as it's starting to fall into 3rd place in many areas of the country where it was a sure fire #1 in almost all of them 50 years ago. And nobody is saying it will mean the sports death in 2025 or anything. But it's a bad sign for its future. Yet the cable providers and Sports Channels are willing to give up billions per year to show it on TV. But I guess that is because there are no other sports to show on TV from about June to September, so they are just trying to fill out the summer schedule. That is probably MLB's biggest advantage having no competition for Sport viewers through the summer months, and there is very little else on TV to watch through the summer.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 13:48:36 GMT -4
I'm like you. I can sit down and watch an MLB game basically as I appreciate the talent but I also understand and admit the reasons why it hasn't caught on with a younger generation while a sport like the NBA has taken off. I don't think some fully understand where MLB was say 25 or 50 years ago in terms of importance to American culture and where it is now as it's starting to fall into 3rd place in many areas of the country where it was a sure fire #1 in almost all of them 50 years ago. And nobody is saying it will mean the sports death in 2025 or anything. But it's a bad sign for its future. Yet the cable providers and Sports Channels are willing to give up billions per year to show it on TV. But I guess that is because there are no other sports to show on TV from about June to September, so they are just trying to fill out the summer schedule. That is probably MLB's biggest advantage having no competition for Sport viewers through the summer months, and there is very little else on TV to watch through the summer. Definitely. And that is a bubble that with burst at some point as that model adjusts to viewing habits. I think we're a long ways away from it, probably 30-40 years, but I can see a drastic shift in rights fees as more kids raised on a Netflix model grow up and watch less live sports like baseball. The splintering of all rights into different services is going to hurt all over time as well I think. MLB is already doing it to itself as anyone who tried following the Dodgers in SoCal the last couple of years can tell you. Billions in rights and many who can't watch their team play. Great for paying todays bills. Can't be great for the future though. All but the NFL is doing it on a smaller scale with how their handling regional rights and who can watch them. The MLB, NHL, and NBA would seem to prefer that I not watch at all vs have a favorite team outside my viewing region.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 14:26:40 GMT -4
Now to see how the players react. Especially the young ones close to big pay days.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 17, 2020 18:13:21 GMT -4
I hope the young players are getting credit for a full season on their service time clock.
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Post by hal on Jun 18, 2020 5:45:52 GMT -4
I too enjoy watching Baseball on TV and in Person but the Public Display from these two sides has left a large majority of Baseball Fans / Sports Fans with a sour taste in their mouths . With everything going on in the World , these guys just keep going back to Money . You have a Commissioner that went from 100% Confident to not at all Confident.....back to Extremely Confident ( he has gotta be a Trump Guy ) ....all they really accomplished was to lay the Groundwork for an Absolute Shit Storm to come in 2021 .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 18, 2020 7:14:02 GMT -4
I'm sure fans will tune in, not a lot of sports on the tube the last 3 months.
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Post by warrenmc on Jun 18, 2020 8:21:28 GMT -4
Sad to see how baseball has become #3 in my lifetime, and I expect the slide to continue. Soccer will be ahead of it soon enough, and maybe just maybe, hockey. That said, you don't have to be a big baseball fan to be a card collector/investor, and many continue to chase after Trout, Acuna Jr and now Jasson Dominguez cards. lol
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Post by hal on Jun 18, 2020 9:41:23 GMT -4
This just in ...The Players Union will not accept a 60 game fully pro rated Season...not enough $$$$$ . Now Tony Clark , MLBPA President is looking like a bit of a Dummy for underestimating his Membership's priorities . These guys can't even agree on what they apparently agreed on 24 hours ago .Ahhh......The Goings on of Billionaires and Millionaires .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 18, 2020 10:11:09 GMT -4
This just in ...The Players Union will not accept a 60 game fully pro rated Season...not enough $$$$$ . Now Tony Clark , MLBPA President is looking like a bit of a Dummy for underestimating his Membership's priorities . These guys can't even agree on what they apparently agreed on 24 hours ago .Ahhh......The Goings on of Billionaires and Millionaires . Here's a key difference though: The billionaires are all billionaires(or at least we can all agree well into the 9 figure range of personal value in order to own a team) Some of those "millionaires" are guys making 6 figures and could be 18-24 months from signing huge extensions that will make them millionaires. It's a lot of risk to play a partial season for pro-rated money for those guys. A big thing coming out of all this that isn't getting as much press as I thought it would: Sounds like we've seen our last MLB game with different rules in the 2 leagues. The NL DH is going to be a thing the next time a baseball game is played.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 18, 2020 11:58:54 GMT -4
Apologize to the rest for where this one ended up. There's a good conversation to be had if anyone is willing to open their mind beyond "the nice thing about baseball on TV is you can do other things, flick back and forth between games." I think most understand the difference between revenue and popularity and how the 2 are not necessarily linked. I think you both have some valid points ... it is bad for baseball that interest among younger and minority populations is waning - anyone involved in the game would be a fool to suggest that it is not a long term concern for the health of the game. On the flip, MLBs ability to increase the revenue per game in recent years has been a huge positive ... but it would be even better if it wasn't concentrated on older fans. Compare it to selling cars ... you can make a lot of money selling a high volume of inexpensive vehicles, and you can also make a lot of money selling a smaller number of luxury vehicles. But if your currently profitable luxury vehicle brand has no appeal to younger drivers, sooner or later you are going to run into a problem when your core group of fans die off ... is MLB at risk of turning into the Oldsmobile of the sports world?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 18, 2020 12:58:23 GMT -4
Apologize to the rest for where this one ended up. There's a good conversation to be had if anyone is willing to open their mind beyond "the nice thing about baseball on TV is you can do other things, flick back and forth between games." I think most understand the difference between revenue and popularity and how the 2 are not necessarily linked. I think you both have some valid points ... it is bad for baseball that interest among younger and minority populations is waning - anyone involved in the game would be a fool to suggest that it is not a long term concern for the health of the game. On the flip, MLBs ability to increase the revenue per game in recent years has been a huge positive ... but it would be even better if it wasn't concentrated on older fans. Compare it to selling cars ... you can make a lot of money selling a high volume of inexpensive vehicles, and you can also make a lot of money selling a smaller number of luxury vehicles. But if your currently profitable luxury vehicle brand has no appeal to younger drivers, sooner or later you are going to run into a problem when your core group of fans die off ... is MLB at risk of turning into the Oldsmobile of the sports world? Part of that can be how your tastes change as you age. Younger males prefer faster pace sports while older ones prefer baseball. Hockey used to be my 31 sport by a mile, now I prefer watching baseball and football. Part of that is pace and strategy involved. Hockey and basketball are more based on instincts and reaction.
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