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Post by lirette on May 12, 2020 9:32:07 GMT -4
Summary on the current events with the MLB 2020 Season -Major League Baseball owners approved a proposal Monday requiring teams to share 50% of their revenue with the Major League Baseball Players Association
-The proposal is expected to be rejected by the players, who are fearful owners would then push to implement a salary cap
-Training camps, as previously reported by USA TODAY Sports, will begin in June with an opening day set July 1-4. Teams will have the option of hosting spring training 2.0 at their home facilities or at their spring-training complexes in Arizona and Florida
-According to the two people, the traditional two-league- six-division structure will remain, but teams will only play opponents in their division and the corresponding geographical division from the other league. So a team such as the New York Yankees would play only against their AL East opponents and the NL East, while a team like the Los Angeles Dodgers, who weren’t scheduled to play the Houston Astros, now would play them at least six times.
-The owners have also agreed to expand the postseason from 10 teams to 14 teams, adding an extra wild-card round, the two people said.
-The active rosters are expected to be expanded from 26 players to 30, with a 20-man taxi squad consisting mostly of an organization’s top minor-league players being available all season.
-MLB initially was strongly considering extending the season through Thanksgiving weekend, playing regular-season games through most of October, but with a fear of a second wave of COVID-19 in the fall, believe it would be safer finish the season no later than the first week of November.The most interesting thing to watch for here is what is the MLB's plan once a player inevitably tests positive? The UFC with only ~20 fighters to worry about for a 1 night event had a positive case. It would seem almost impossible to me that with these teams still travelling from city to city there is no way they can prevent an outbreak to complete an entire season. Sean Doolittle is voicing a lot of reasonable concerns in a twitter thread around protecting the many front line workers needed to make these games happen. www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/nationals-sean-doolittle-voices-concerns-about-mlbs-2020-season-restart-plan/
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 12, 2020 9:49:16 GMT -4
I wouldn't be shocked if the players said "fuck this" and scrapped the entire plan. Especially for that kind of money....50% of 60% of expected revenue is a hell of a pay cut for the superstars and is it worth it for guys like the Jays young stars to gamble with your career for a makeshift season played in Dunedin?
Imagine having to quarantine an entire team during a playoff round or late season playoff chase.
And NL teams having a DH thrown at them, expanding post-season, and i'm sure other things completely changing the integrity of the season and so drastically different then what would have been a season.
I actually thought a move backwards to 2 divisions in each league and a direct line to the LCS with the division winners might come out of it in an attempt for a quicker playoff after a shorter season and they did the opposite and expanded the playoffs.
Be interesting to see how this breaks down after the players opinions start flowing later today.
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Post by jimmy on May 12, 2020 9:59:48 GMT -4
I wouldn't be shocked if the players said "fuck this" and scrapped the entire plan. Especially for that kind of money....50% of 60% of expected revenue is a hell of a pay cut for the superstars and is it worth it for guys like the Jays young stars to gamble with your career for a makeshift season played in Dunedin? Imagine having to quarantine an entire team during a playoff round or late season playoff chase. And NL teams having a DH thrown at them, expanding post-season, and i'm sure other things completely changing the integrity of the season and so drastically different then what would have been a season. I actually thought a move backwards to 2 divisions in each league and a direct line to the LCS with the division winners might come out of it in an attempt for a quicker playoff after a shorter season and they did the opposite and expanded the playoffs. Be interesting to see how this breaks down after the players opinions start flowing later today. I can definitely see some of the stars who have a lot of money in the bank wanting to stay home, given the overall inconvenience of playing (health risks, travel headaches, separation from families, financial haircut, etc.). But there are a lot of young guys who don't make THAT much in the grand scheme of things who no doubt could use the money (guys that are pre-arbitration have not had the chance to bank much so far in their careers) and will want to play - plus the younger guys tend to have fewer family obligations holding them back, and that feeling on invincibility that comes with youth ... will be interesting to see what the overall reaction is ...
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 12, 2020 10:05:04 GMT -4
I wouldn't be shocked if the players said "fuck this" and scrapped the entire plan. Especially for that kind of money....50% of 60% of expected revenue is a hell of a pay cut for the superstars and is it worth it for guys like the Jays young stars to gamble with your career for a makeshift season played in Dunedin? Imagine having to quarantine an entire team during a playoff round or late season playoff chase. And NL teams having a DH thrown at them, expanding post-season, and i'm sure other things completely changing the integrity of the season and so drastically different then what would have been a season. I actually thought a move backwards to 2 divisions in each league and a direct line to the LCS with the division winners might come out of it in an attempt for a quicker playoff after a shorter season and they did the opposite and expanded the playoffs. Be interesting to see how this breaks down after the players opinions start flowing later today. I can definitely see some of the stars who have a lot of money in the bank wanting to stay home, given the overall inconvenience of playing (health risks, travel headaches, separation from families, financial haircut, etc.). But there are a lot of young guys who don't make THAT much in the grand scheme of things who no doubt could use the money (guys that are pre-arbitration have not had the chance to bank much so far in their careers) and will want to play - plus the younger guys tend to have fewer family obligations holding them back, and that feeling on invincibility that comes with youth ... will be interesting to see what the overall reaction is ... I would say we'll know quickly. If the PA comes out with a "wtf is this" then there won't be any consensus on that plan. But if the PA steps back and certain players start being the voice....that might be where some guys are fighting to play like you spoke about. But then you need to ask yourself...does a monster season playing out of a Dunedin help or hurt Arbitration rights? Does a bad season just kill a career? Any increased expectation on injuries playing in some non-MLB parks? I'm just assuming Toronto is off limits for this season proposal which adds a huge issue if they are playing out of Dunedin.
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Post by hal on Jun 16, 2020 16:44:09 GMT -4
MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred is quickly moving to the Bottom of The Big 4 Sports Commissioner's List as just 4 days ago he was 100% Confident there would be a Season .........Last Night he is ..."not confident at all".......and like expected .... he said it's the Players Fault .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2020 7:37:25 GMT -4
MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred is quickly moving to the Bottom of The Big 4 Sports Commissioner's List as just 4 days ago he was 100% Confident there would be a Season .........Last Night he is ..."not confident at all".......and like expected .... he said it's the Players Fault . I don't think you can entirely blame Manfred. He is just going on the owners orders. I think the blame should be 75% owners and 25% players. Nobody is getting any sympathy with people sick and out of work that millionaires and billionaires are fighting.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 8:15:02 GMT -4
MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred is quickly moving to the Bottom of The Big 4 Sports Commissioner's List as just 4 days ago he was 100% Confident there would be a Season .........Last Night he is ..."not confident at all".......and like expected .... he said it's the Players Fault . I don't think you can entirely blame Manfred. He is just going on the owners orders. I think the blame should be 75% owners and 25% players. Nobody is getting any sympathy with people sick and out of work that millionaires and billionaires are fighting. Manfred is supposed to lead the owners. That would mean having his finger on the pulse all the time and being able to go between both sides with the owners demands/wishes and try and find some common ground. All he's done so far is get in the way. Especially after dropping his 100% comment last week and walking back from it now. That will ultimately be his undoing I think. It's not about getting sympathy, I don't think. The players fully seem to know how they'r being viewed. And it's no different then any group of workers who are in a fight with its employer. For some reason people would rather shit on the employee in the fight with a business owner. We see it constantly in sports as people blame fans for labor issues all the time. In this case if you can't understand why a Blake Snell shouldn't want take a pro-rated amount to play a game in a shortened season, in a different venue then normal, during a global pandemic, and risk a potential $200 million pay day so that the Florida Marlins can keep operating as a farm team then I'm not sure how much weight i'd put on that opinion because it's obvious to me why younger players especially should be content to wait this out until they can play a proper season with proper revenue again.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2020 9:02:36 GMT -4
I don't think you can entirely blame Manfred. He is just going on the owners orders. I think the blame should be 75% owners and 25% players. Nobody is getting any sympathy with people sick and out of work that millionaires and billionaires are fighting. Manfred is supposed to lead the owners. That would mean having his finger on the pulse all the time and being able to go between both sides with the owners demands/wishes and try and find some common ground. All he's done so far is get in the way. Especially after dropping his 100% comment last week and walking back from it now. That will ultimately be his undoing I think. It's not about getting sympathy, I don't think. The players fully seem to know how they'r being viewed. And it's no different then any group of workers who are in a fight with its employer. For some reason people would rather shit on the employee in the fight with a business owner. We see it constantly in sports as people blame fans for labor issues all the time. In this case if you can't understand why a Blake Snell shouldn't want take a pro-rated amount to play a game in a shortened season, in a different venue then normal, during a global pandemic, and risk a potential $200 million pay day so that the Florida Marlins can keep operating as a farm team then I'm not sure how much weight i'd put on that opinion because it's obvious to me why younger players especially should be content to wait this out until they can play a proper season with proper revenue again. Players will take risks health wise, though they will have the option of opting out. If Snell wants to stay home and sit out, he can. I think with owners, they will have to spend money with no guarantee of revenue. The testing alone will be millions per team.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 9:07:29 GMT -4
Manfred is supposed to lead the owners. That would mean having his finger on the pulse all the time and being able to go between both sides with the owners demands/wishes and try and find some common ground. All he's done so far is get in the way. Especially after dropping his 100% comment last week and walking back from it now. That will ultimately be his undoing I think. It's not about getting sympathy, I don't think. The players fully seem to know how they'r being viewed. And it's no different then any group of workers who are in a fight with its employer. For some reason people would rather shit on the employee in the fight with a business owner. We see it constantly in sports as people blame fans for labor issues all the time. In this case if you can't understand why a Blake Snell shouldn't want take a pro-rated amount to play a game in a shortened season, in a different venue then normal, during a global pandemic, and risk a potential $200 million pay day so that the Florida Marlins can keep operating as a farm team then I'm not sure how much weight i'd put on that opinion because it's obvious to me why younger players especially should be content to wait this out until they can play a proper season with proper revenue again. Players will take risks health wise, though they will have the option of opting out. If Snell wants to stay home and sit out, he can. I think with owners, they will have to spend money with no guarantee of revenue. The testing alone will be millions per team. So what is even the point if the top guys can all decide to opt out and there's say a 40% opt out? As it is...I don't think many people are watching a 50 game MLB regular season over NBA playoffs in the US. Take away a % of talent and add in all this labor talk and the inevitable head to head on TV with the NBA and then NFL...and they'd almost be better off calling it a day and coming back with fans next Summer.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2020 9:29:25 GMT -4
Players will take risks health wise, though they will have the option of opting out. If Snell wants to stay home and sit out, he can. I think with owners, they will have to spend money with no guarantee of revenue. The testing alone will be millions per team. So what is even the point if the top guys can all decide to opt out and there's say a 40% opt out? As it is...I don't think many people are watching a 50 game MLB regular season over NBA playoffs in the US. Take away a % of talent and add in all this labor talk and the inevitable head to head on TV with the NBA and then NFL...and they'd almost be better off calling it a day and coming back with fans next Summer. I think the MLB baseball crowd is different than the NBA crowd. There is some overlap, but it's an older more white demographic vs NBA.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 9:35:05 GMT -4
So what is even the point if the top guys can all decide to opt out and there's say a 40% opt out? As it is...I don't think many people are watching a 50 game MLB regular season over NBA playoffs in the US. Take away a % of talent and add in all this labor talk and the inevitable head to head on TV with the NBA and then NFL...and they'd almost be better off calling it a day and coming back with fans next Summer. I think the MLB baseball crowd is different than the NBA crowd. There is some overlap, but it's an older more white demographic vs NBA. Whether it's the same or not the MLB crowd is shrinking while the NBA's is growing and this summer is only going to accelerate that. I think you'd be surprised how many "older more white" people will take NBA playoffs over MLB regular season.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2020 9:56:50 GMT -4
I think the MLB baseball crowd is different than the NBA crowd. There is some overlap, but it's an older more white demographic vs NBA. Whether it's the same or not the MLB crowd is shrinking while the NBA's is growing and this summer is only going to accelerate that. I think you'd be surprised how many "older more white" people will take NBA playoffs over MLB regular season. MLB's revenue has grown every year since 2001. From 3.6B in 2001 to 10.3B in 2019.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 10:03:52 GMT -4
Whether it's the same or not the MLB crowd is shrinking while the NBA's is growing and this summer is only going to accelerate that. I think you'd be surprised how many "older more white" people will take NBA playoffs over MLB regular season. MLB's revenue has grown every year since 2001. From 3.6B in 2001 to 10.3B in 2019. Growing revenue and growing popularity are 2 different things. There's no shortage of articles out there pointing out MLB's declining popularity in the social media era. Just google MLB fan decline and you can spend the rest of your day reading many recent articles pointing out how MLB is in a decline...and this was all before covid. MLB is becoming a regional sport according to almost everyone who covers the sport. The fact Tom Brady is on the field for half a game, Lebron for 44 of 48 minutes, and Mike Trout sees 14 pitches over 4 at bats in a 3.5 hour game is not helping MLB catch on with younger people.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2020 10:09:31 GMT -4
MLB's revenue has grown every year since 2001. From 3.6B in 2001 to 10.3B in 2019. Growing revenue and growing popularity are 2 different things. There's no shortage of articles out there pointing out MLB's declining popularity in the social media era. Just google MLB fan decline and you can spend the rest of your day reading many recent articles pointing out how MLB is in a decline...and this was all before covid. MLB is becoming a regional sport according to almost everyone who covers the sport. The fact Tom Brady is on the field for half a game, Lebron for 44 of 48 minutes, and Mike Trout sees 14 pitches over 4 at bats in a 3.5 hour game is not helping MLB catch on with younger people. You can write an article about whatever you want. Thus far MLB has not lost in popularity. The revenue proves it. If they botch this summer then it likely impacts their bottom line more than others.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2020 10:26:13 GMT -4
Growing revenue and growing popularity are 2 different things. There's no shortage of articles out there pointing out MLB's declining popularity in the social media era. Just google MLB fan decline and you can spend the rest of your day reading many recent articles pointing out how MLB is in a decline...and this was all before covid. MLB is becoming a regional sport according to almost everyone who covers the sport. The fact Tom Brady is on the field for half a game, Lebron for 44 of 48 minutes, and Mike Trout sees 14 pitches over 4 at bats in a 3.5 hour game is not helping MLB catch on with younger people. You can write an article about whatever you want. Thus far MLB has not lost in popularity. The revenue proves it. If they botch this summer then it likely impacts their bottom line more than others. Revenue doesn't prove popularity. Clearly this conversation is over your head.
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