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Post by jimmy on Jun 12, 2020 7:01:27 GMT -4
Jays seem to pick up some nice pieces at the draft - some feel Austin Martin may be the best overall player in the draft, and he fell to them at #5 ... Van Eyk early in the 2nd is a guy many had ranked as a first round talent - sounds like a good arm.
Things are looking up for the Jays ... strong young core in the majors, help on the way in coming years on the farm ...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 12, 2020 7:35:56 GMT -4
Jays seem to pick up some nice pieces at the draft - some feel Austin Martin may be the best overall player in the draft, and he fell to them at #5 ... Van Eyk early in the 2nd is a guy many had ranked as a first round talent - sounds like a good arm. Things are looking up for the Jays ... strong young core in the majors, help on the way in coming years on the farm ... They have a good base of talent on the hitting side, not at the same level pitching wise.
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Post by hal on Jun 12, 2020 7:52:10 GMT -4
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Post by jimmy on Jun 12, 2020 8:27:57 GMT -4
Jays seem to pick up some nice pieces at the draft - some feel Austin Martin may be the best overall player in the draft, and he fell to them at #5 ... Van Eyk early in the 2nd is a guy many had ranked as a first round talent - sounds like a good arm. Things are looking up for the Jays ... strong young core in the majors, help on the way in coming years on the farm ... They have a good base of talent on the hitting side, not at the same level pitching wise. Agreed at the MLB level, but on the farm most of their upper level prospects are pitchers ... they signed a few bridge arms this offseason to tide them over until those guys arrive over the next year or two ... should be a steady stream of pitching prospects arriving over the next 3-4 years, starting with Pearson.
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Post by pinkbeaver on Jun 12, 2020 11:03:41 GMT -4
They have a good base of talent on the hitting side, not at the same level pitching wise. Agreed at the MLB level, but on the farm most of their upper level prospects are pitchers ... they signed a few bridge arms this offseason to tide them over until those guys arrive over the next year or two ... should be a steady stream of pitching prospects arriving over the next 3-4 years, starting with Pearson. I'm glad the Jays went BPA with their first pick. Sounds like Martin has got great work ethic and will probably end up playing Center Field. Doesn't sound like he'll be any more than average in the field but has ++ hitting potential. Agreed on pitching. They were set to have a very servicable roation this year and once Pearson arrives, he and Ryu make a very good 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation. I think the Jays biggest weakness is in the bullpen. They dont have a ton of talent to bridge the gap between the starters and Giles.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 12, 2020 11:26:17 GMT -4
Agreed at the MLB level, but on the farm most of their upper level prospects are pitchers ... they signed a few bridge arms this offseason to tide them over until those guys arrive over the next year or two ... should be a steady stream of pitching prospects arriving over the next 3-4 years, starting with Pearson. I'm glad the Jays went BPA with their first pick. Sounds like Martin has got great work ethic and will probably end up playing Center Field. Doesn't sound like he'll be any more than average in the field but has ++ hitting potential. Agreed on pitching. They were set to have a very servicable roation this year and once Pearson arrives, he and Ryu make a very good 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation. I think the Jays biggest weakness is in the bullpen. They dont have a ton of talent to bridge the gap between the starters and Giles. I'm not sure I would count on Ryu as a big part of the future, he is 33 and the most innings he has thrown the last 6 years is 182. The other years, 0, 82, 146, 4.2, 152.
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Post by pinkbeaver on Jun 12, 2020 11:51:00 GMT -4
I'm glad the Jays went BPA with their first pick. Sounds like Martin has got great work ethic and will probably end up playing Center Field. Doesn't sound like he'll be any more than average in the field but has ++ hitting potential. Agreed on pitching. They were set to have a very servicable roation this year and once Pearson arrives, he and Ryu make a very good 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation. I think the Jays biggest weakness is in the bullpen. They dont have a ton of talent to bridge the gap between the starters and Giles. I'm not sure I would count on Ryu as a big part of the future, he is 33 and the most innings he has thrown the last 6 years is 182. The other years, 0, 82, 146, 4.2, 152. Fair point, but you could make that argument about many pitchers. To counter that you could say he's finally coming off a year where he was 100% healthy. A year in which he was a top 5 pitcher and statistically almost impossible to square up.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 12, 2020 12:01:31 GMT -4
I'm not sure I would count on Ryu as a big part of the future, he is 33 and the most innings he has thrown the last 6 years is 182. The other years, 0, 82, 146, 4.2, 152. Fair point, but you could make that argument about many pitchers. To counter that you could say he's finally coming off a year where he was 100% healthy. A year in which he was a top 5 pitcher and statistically almost impossible to square up. It's not a bad gamble, just saying he isn't a guy you can count on. He gets hurt a lot and he fell apart after a great 1st half.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 12, 2020 12:29:15 GMT -4
Fair point, but you could make that argument about many pitchers. To counter that you could say he's finally coming off a year where he was 100% healthy. A year in which he was a top 5 pitcher and statistically almost impossible to square up. It's not a bad gamble, just saying he isn't a guy you can count on. He gets hurt a lot and he fell apart after a great 1st half. I would include Ryu in the bridge guy category ... potentially a high-end bridge guy if he can stay healthy ... a guy that if the team can get back in the playoffs in the next 2-3 years is likely a starter but hopefully not their ace ... but likely this is his one and only contract as a Blue Jay ...
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jul 18, 2020 15:29:34 GMT -4
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Post by bois on Jul 20, 2020 8:07:03 GMT -4
good decision
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2020 9:04:56 GMT -4
They literally had no plan to quarantine anyone. Laughable to even bother asking with no plan in place for the most basic thing we're asking our own residents to do when travelling over a border outside the Atlantic bubble.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 20, 2020 10:45:01 GMT -4
They literally had no plan to quarantine anyone. Laughable to even bother asking with no plan in place for the most basic thing we're asking our own residents to do when travelling over a border outside the Atlantic bubble. Where did you read that? The last I had heard, they were going to have everyone in the bubble, visiting team and home team. I believe the initial plan called for the Jays to not be quarantined each time they went a road trip, which was an obvious non-starter, but they quickly moved off of that. Not saying it is a bad decision by the Feds - but whatever the final plan the Jays proposed must have at least been somewhat feasible to have the province and city sign off on it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2020 11:00:56 GMT -4
They literally had no plan to quarantine anyone. Laughable to even bother asking with no plan in place for the most basic thing we're asking our own residents to do when travelling over a border outside the Atlantic bubble. Where did you read that? The last I had heard, they were going to have everyone in the bubble, visiting team and home team. I believe the initial plan called for the Jays to not be quarantined each time they went a road trip, which was an obvious non-starter, but they quickly moved off of that. Not saying it is a bad decision by the Feds - but whatever the final plan the Jays proposed must have at least been somewhat feasible to have the province and city sign off on it. MLB isn't in a bubble. The Jays currently are but they won't be the second they head south. MLB basically threw that plan away when they couldn't agree with the players on anything. The Jays are literally staying in hotels like anyone else and then wanted to fly back to Canada and go back to Rogers Center but the visiting teams wouldn't of necessarily been under the same quarantine rules. The entire plan only made sense to the Americans treating this like a cold. Players didn't even know what they were getting into and made tone deaf(his statement, not mine) statements about not quarantining all summer which didn't help anything as it showed how absolutely stunned many Americans are about this entire thing. Only way MLB plan would have worked in Canada is if they were doing the NHL model of bubble cities. The city and province wanted the economic impact. The Feds wanted a plan. And MLB didn't really deliver one.
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Post by lirette on Jul 20, 2020 11:05:52 GMT -4
They literally had no plan to quarantine anyone. Laughable to even bother asking with no plan in place for the most basic thing we're asking our own residents to do when travelling over a border outside the Atlantic bubble. Where did you read that? The last I had heard, they were going to have everyone in the bubble, visiting team and home team. I believe the initial plan called for the Jays to not be quarantined each time they went a road trip, which was an obvious non-starter, but they quickly moved off of that. Not saying it is a bad decision by the Feds - but whatever the final plan the Jays proposed must have at least been somewhat feasible to have the province and city sign off on it. I believe the biggest concern at least from the media statements were that the Jays were playing games in the US in areas of high risk transmission (most cities in the US) and then coming back to Canada www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-baseball-bluejays/canada-government-rejects-blue-jays-plan-to-play-in-toronto-over-covid-19-fears-idUSKCN24J0TRIn all honestly there was very little incentive here for the government to say yes when they know they can find an alternative in the US. The economic spin off of one baseball team staying in Toronto during home games is not nearly enough to get a conversation started. At that point their only argument is to plead with them that they feel they are at a disadvantage to have to play home games out of an unfamiliar location. Thats not going to hit anyone in the feels during a pandemic.
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